Bernie: Pope Francis Is a Socialist

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Capitalism is not contrary to the Christian faith. At all.

What many claim is capitalism is actually corporatism or oligarchy with touches of socialism.

And why is it that the actual RESULTS of these policies are never examined? Central and South America are suffering under the results of these policies, so why should we implement them here?
Capitalism is such am ambiguous word. Crony corporatism? ABSOLUTELY anti-Christain. Free property and means of production? Totally Christian!

Sadly, the United States is currently the former not the latter. So that is why the Pope blasts “Capitalism”.
 
To a degree I agree except that in L&C (language and communication) we were basically taught to consider the source;
So I certainly do clandestinely read profiles. :cool: 😛
If that is the case, the original source of the interview is the Roman Catholic-operated Salt and Light Media Foundation, “a unique instrument of the New Evangelization,” in their words, endorsed by the Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, the Vatican Television Center, and many departments of the Vatican.

The interviewer, Fr. Thomas Rosica, C.S.B., Consultor to the Pontifical Council for Social Communications and English-language Media Attaché at the October Extraordinary Synod on the Family, was the one who posed the question to Bernie as to whether Pope Francis is a socialist.
 
If that is the case, the original source of the interview is the Roman Catholic-operated Salt and Light Media Foundation, “a unique instrument of the New Evangelization,” in their words, endorsed by the Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, the Vatican Television Center, and many departments of the Vatican.

The interviewer, Fr. Thomas Rosica, C.S.B., Consultor to the Pontifical Council for Social Communications and English-language Media Attaché at the October Extraordinary Synod on the Family, was the one who posed the question to Bernie as to whether Pope Francis is a socialist.
Fr. Thomas Rosica has a checkered past in his interviews. One of the most egregious was his fawning interview with former priest Gregory Baum. Mr. Baum supports many things contrary to the Church’s teaching, like contraception, homosexuality, abortion, the priesthood, etc, etc etc.

This isn’t a case of difference of opinion, Mr. Baum has been excommunicated, laicized, and married a nun. He has been placed on interdict. He’s a danger to the faith. But Fr. Rosica lauded him several times in the interview.

lifesitenews.com/news/same-sex-marriage-advocate-gregory-baum-lauded-by-canadian-catholic-media

He also legally went after a Canadian blogger who happened to criticize his words and actions. He eventually dropped his lawsuit threat once it became public knowledge.

breitbart.com/national-security/2015/02/20/vatican-spokesman-threatens-to-sue-catholic-blogger/
 
If that is the case, the original source of the interview is the Roman Catholic-operated Salt and Light Media Foundation, “a unique instrument of the New Evangelization,” in their words, endorsed by the Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, the Vatican Television Center, and many departments of the Vatican.

The interviewer, Fr. Thomas Rosica, C.S.B., Consultor to the Pontifical Council for Social Communications and English-language Media Attaché at the October Extraordinary Synod on the Family, was the one who posed the question to Bernie as to whether Pope Francis is a socialist.
It appears that the posts of both the author of my quote and the object of his words have been deleted apparently by the moderator
So I feel at a disadvantage to discuss my post freely except to say that I was speaking in general terms.

It’s everyone’s right to consider the source by viewing profiles, but it’s not everyone’s right to make derogatory public insinuations/comments about those profiles in my humble opinion …
pertaining to the subject of your post and the topic, I’ve got little understanding or interest.
 
Retirement plans and health insurance plans are currently being run at the county and state level. So in fidelity to subsidiarity, there is no justification for taking that authority away from a lower level and giving it to a higher level of government. It violates the Catholic teaching.
I’ll give you a very good reason why health insurance plans will not be as effective when they are run by local units of government: Mobility. People rarely stay in the same place all their lives. They move, and it would be a shame to place an artificial barrier to this movement by having them loose their health insurance or remain trapped in their locality the rest of their lives. With your plan, all government health insurance plans would be local. If you get sick while living in Michigan, then you move to Arizona, do you expect Michigan to continue to provide your medical benefits long after you have left Michigan? Do you expect Arizona to take you on with your pre-existing condition, knowing full well they will definitely lose money on you? How does your plan solve this problem?
 
It’s everyone’s right to consider the source by viewing profiles, but it’s not everyone’s right to make derogatory public insinuations/comments about those profiles in my humble opinion …
Thank you!!
 
I’ll give you a very good reason why health insurance plans will not be as effective when they are run by local units of government: Mobility. People rarely stay in the same place all their lives. They move, and it would be a shame to place an artificial barrier to this movement by having them loose their health insurance or remain trapped in their locality the rest of their lives. With your plan, all government health insurance plans would be local. If you get sick while living in Michigan, then you move to Arizona, do you expect Michigan to continue to provide your medical benefits long after you have left Michigan? Do you expect Arizona to take you on with your pre-existing condition, knowing full well they will definitely lose money on you? How does your plan solve this problem?
Well first, there’s absolutely NO reason that insurance companies can’t sell across state lines. That’s a manufactured barrier-to-entry that protects larger insurance companies from the competition of smaller ones.

Second, there’s no reason that the states can’t set up a method to transfer over coverage from one to another. It would be within Constitutional authority for the federal government to set up regulations for such transfers (but does not grant them authority to run the programs).

This is a false dilemma.
 
Well first, there’s absolutely NO reason that insurance companies can’t sell across state lines. That’s a manufactured barrier-to-entry that protects larger insurance companies from the competition of smaller ones.
I’m not talking about private insurance companies. I’m talking about Medicare, or any universal health insurance program. And what I said about state-run insurance programs is even more true for private insurance companies. If you are insured by a small private insurance company in Michigan, there are plenty of good administrative reasons why this company would not want to cover you when you move to Arizona. The local Michigan company might not have the resources to work with the health care professionals in Arizona. Or the doctors in Arizona, who have never heard of this small Michigan company, are going to have a harder time processing claims for you.
Second, there’s no reason that the states can’t set up a method to transfer over coverage from one to another. It would be within Constitutional authority for the federal government to set up regulations for such transfers (but does not grant them authority to run the programs).
Once you admit the role of federal regulations in requiring certain things be done with regard to health insurance you have just shot your subsidiarity argument in the foot.
 
Yeah, but Sanders is still more or less correct. The Pope is very critical of capitalism, as befits any Christian. Jesus Christ may well have been opposed to the very concept of money itself, so it’s a given that at the very least He would be opposed to the obscene excesses, inequalities and predatory nature of modern Western economics. If Sanders wasn’t Pro Choice he’d be the best candidate. Which, considering the current crop, is plain as day. As I see it, anyway.
To be fair though, criticism of capitalism does not necessarily mean that one is a socialist. Many on the far-right, particularly fascists, oppose capitalism, albeit for different reasons than inequality (such as perceived materialism and anti-nationalism). One could be for a mixed economy, for example, or perhaps for economic corporatism (incidentally common among fascists and authoritarian conservatives).
 
To be fair though, criticism of capitalism does not necessarily mean that one is a socialist. Many on the far-right, particularly fascists, oppose capitalism, albeit for different reasons than inequality (such as perceived materialism and anti-nationalism). One could be for a mixed economy, for example, or perhaps for economic corporatism (incidentally common among fascists and authoritarian conservatives).
Fascists aren’t against capitalism, despite their rhetoric. Mixed economies and corporatist economies are not separate modes of production to capitalism, they’re just different forms of capitalist economies. Any economy with privately owned means of production and wage labour is capitalist.
 
Pope Francis is the Pope of the Holy Catholic Church. He is not a Socialist. People can be led to misunderstand that he is the successor to Peter, so it is expected that he speak of loving one another through charity, kindness, respect. When he spontaneously speaks the message should always be taken with that understanding.

Confusing interpretation needs to be stopped. Right?
 
To be fair though, criticism of capitalism does not necessarily mean that one is a socialist. Many on the far-right, particularly fascists, oppose capitalism, albeit for different reasons than inequality (such as perceived materialism and anti-nationalism). One could be for a mixed economy, for example, or perhaps for economic corporatism (incidentally common among fascists and authoritarian conservatives).
Fascists aren’t far right. This is a myth the left has perpetuated to hide the reality of their views. Fascists are just a different flavor of socialism. They are far left. They allow private ownership of property, but they are the ones who control how it is run and what it does.
 
Free property and means of production? Totally Christian!
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Assuming by “free property” you mean an unlimited right to accumulate property, you’ll have to tell that to St. John Chrysostom:

“Do not say, ‘I am using what belongs to me.’ You are using what belongs to others. All the wealth of the world belongs to you and to the others in common, as the sun, air, earth, and all the rest.”- St. John Chrysostom, Homily on I Corinthians.
 
Fascists aren’t far right. This is a myth the left has perpetuated to hide the reality of their views. Fascists are just a different flavor of socialism. They are far left. They allow private ownership of property, but they are the ones who control how it is run and what it does.
You can’t allow private ownership of property and be socialist. That’s a contradiction. By your own words fascists aren’t far-left.
 
You can’t allow private ownership of property and be socialist. That’s a contradiction. By your own words fascists aren’t far-left.
It’s just a polticial ploy. Rush Limbaugh has insinuated more than once that the Pope is communist/socialist.

The reality is the Catholic Church has a very dim view on central planning, especially socialism and communism, which are specifically called out by name. In the case of communism, the end all, be all is the state basically “replaces” God.

I suppose the same argument could be made for socialism, but it has never been fully put into practice anywhere on a national scale at least.
 
Fascists aren’t against capitalism, despite their rhetoric. Mixed economies and corporatist economies are not separate modes of production to capitalism, they’re just different forms of capitalist economies. Any economy with privately owned means of production and wage labour is capitalist.
www.ironmarch.org

Ask these people what they think of capitalism.
 
Fascists aren’t far right. This is a myth the left has perpetuated to hide the reality of their views. Fascists are just a different flavor of socialism. They are far left. They allow private ownership of property, but they are the ones who control how it is run and what it does.
On the contrary, fascism is more or less an attempt to redefine socialism to be fitting for nationalistic purposes (hence National Socialism would literally imply something along the lines of social ownership for a nation, as opposed to humankind in general). The left-right spectrum is not a measurement of economics, but rather a measurement of views on equality; thus fascists are in fact far-right, because they represent a very anti-egalitarian political worldview, with its strong devotion to the national rebirth of an ethnic nation-state, and its fervent exaltation of the nation itself. It is not the mechanisms, but rather the goals of an ideology, that make it left-wing or right-wing (which is how Mao is considered far-left, but Hitler is considered far-right, for example, even though they were both totalitarians).
 
On the contrary, fascism is more or less an attempt to redefine socialism to be fitting for nationalistic purposes (hence National Socialism would literally imply something along the lines of social ownership for a nation, as opposed to humankind in general). The left-right spectrum is not a measurement of economics, but rather a measurement of views on equality; thus fascists are in fact far-right, because they represent a very anti-egalitarian political worldview, with its strong devotion to the national rebirth of an ethnic nation-state, and its fervent exaltation of the nation itself. It is not the mechanisms, but rather the goals of an ideology, that make it left-wing or right-wing (which is how Mao is considered far-left, but Hitler is considered far-right, for example, even though they were both totalitarians).
Nope. That’s a nonsensical scale that doesn’t differentiate between vastly different ideologies. The actual political scale runs the gamut of government power, from total anarchy and zero government, to socialism/communism. Fascism is next to these two because of they are all totalitarian and controlling, just differing in who owns the means of production, but in each the government is supreme.

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