Best videos of a Tridentine Mass?

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Caesar said:
Wouldnt say perfect. Perhaps a Novus Ordo mass celebrated in latin, ad orientem, with proper vestments, orthodox priests and some sense of faith in the church is better then what we usualy get.

Perfect would describe the Mass of Ages.
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The Mass of the Church is the Mass of the Ages.
 
JKirkLVNV said:
Well, I’m one of the people who thank God that the bulk of the Mass is in the vernacular. If God could do anything with the “Spirit of Vatican II,” I’m glad He at least did that: through the Holy See, the bishops were allowed to introduce more and more of the vernacular into the Mass. I hope we don’t go back.
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Well with the new Pope and all…im no Prophet but I wouldnt be surprised for a great deal of careful back-stepping.

And we don’t know if the New Mass was a product of God.
I for one agree with Caesar that if it IS a product of God…
it was so we could once again appreciate the Old Mass.

In fact I grow tired of using the phrase “Old Mass”

It is the Mass of Ages and Time Infinite…the New Mass of course doesnt really compare.
 
WenckebachCath said:
After viewing the video from 1941, I’m very thankful for the new Mass. I don’t like the way everything is in Latin. Even the readings from the Holy Bible are in Latin. I also think the ceremonial aspect of the Mass was entirely overdone. I can see why the laity would pray the Rosary during Mass. They were entirely excluded from any participation, and the Mass was conducted in a foreign language. I also prefer the priest facing the congregants.

Some things I liked were communion at the communion rail, which seemed to be less of a spectacle than in it’s present form. I also appreciated the youthfulness and vigorous appearance of the priest, and the discipline of the altar boys.

I’ll stick with Mass in it’s present form. I prefer to be able to understand what is going on. Praise God that we have the new Mass
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JKirkLVNV said:
The Mass of the Church is the Mass of the Ages.
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Well I think that the Eucharist is the same in every Mass. But no…the current Mass of the Church can not be the Mass of the Ages…since:
  1. Its new…precisly the opposite of what “Ages” implies.
  2. It did not organically grow from the very first Mass in the upper room.
 
Missa_Solemnis said:
Well with the new Pope and all…im no Prophet but I wouldnt be surprised for a great deal of careful back-stepping.

And we don’t know if the New Mass was a product of God.
I for one agree with Caesar that if it IS a product of God…
it was so we could once again appreciate the Old Mass.

In fact I grow tired of using the phrase “Old Mass”

It is the Mass of Ages and Time Infinite…the New Mass of course doesnt really compare.
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The last line is subjective opinion, to which you are, of course, entitled. I think the Novus Ordo compares quite favorably in a noble simplicity. I think that the Old Mass will be liberated, but I think that a lot of people would be more welcoming of it if it’s adherants could find a way to laud it without denigrating the Novus Ordo. As it is, we already have to deal with a predjudice for which the Tridentine can hardly be blamed.
 
Missa_Solemnis said:
Well I think that the Eucharist is the same in every Mass. But no…the current Mass of the Church can not be the Mass of the Ages…since:
  1. Its new…precisly the opposite of what “Ages” implies.
  2. It did not organically grow from the very first Mass in the upper room.
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It has elements from older masses, esp. the Roman canon. And certainly the Mass of the Church is the Mass of Ages. It confects the Holy Sacrifice, as does the Divine Liturgy, the Ambrosian rite, etc.
 
JKirkLVNV said:
It has elements from older masses, esp. the Roman canon. And certainly the Mass of the Church is the Mass of Ages. It confects the Holy Sacrifice, as does the Divine Liturgy, the Ambrosian rite, etc.
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That doesnt prove it organically grew from the first Mass.

I could have a daisy on one side and then I could have a fake stem with leaves on the other.

By slapping on petals from the real daisy unto the plastic figurine…doesnt constitute as growing an organic flower.

If you read the history of the New Mass…youll see my example was actually being kind to the way the NO was hurriedly pieced together by “liturgical experts”.
 
QP is not at all binding on future popes, as you know well.
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So Pius V was lying in Quo Proniam then? Eternity only has one definition, so either he was lying or he wasnt…
JKirkLVNV said:
It has elements from older masses, esp. the Roman canon. And certainly the Mass of the Church is the Mass of Ages. It confects the Holy Sacrifice, as does the Divine Liturgy, the Ambrosian rite, etc.
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Eastern Divine Liturgy = Organic
Ambrosian Rite = Organic
Dominican Rite = Organic
Benedictine Rite = Organic
Carmelite Rite = Organic
Tridentine = Organic
Novus Ordo = invention from the late 1960s

Also, you know as well as I do that few NO Masses use the Roman Canon- too long for the modernists.
 
JKirkLVNV said:
I was, but a child during the 60’s, Doc.
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And your Mass was a mere babe, having been conceived in a Swiss hotel room in the late 60s.

And like most things y’all’s age, everything’s starting to fade and sag and no amount of cosmetic surgery is going to save the day. It’s terminal, I’m afraid.

RIP novus ordo. Died from terminal banality. :crying:
 
Missa_Solemnis said:
That doesnt prove it organically grew from the first Mass.

I could have a daisy on one side and then I could have a fake stem with leaves on the other.

By slapping on petals from the real daisy unto the plastic figurine…doesnt constitute as growing an organic flower.

If you read the history of the New Mass…youll see my example was actually being kind to the way the NO was hurriedly pieced together by “liturgical experts”.
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I agree completely. The NO may be valid, but it is a long way from reflecting Catholic tradition. I cannot say without lying that the NO is organic in any way.
 
Caesar said:
So Pius V was lying in Quo Proniam then? Eternity only has one definition, so either he was lying or he wasnt…

Also, you know as well as I do that few NO Masses use the Roman Canon- too long for the modernists.
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You really need to stop batting around the term “modernist” for people who like the Novus Ordo or who defend the Church’s right to order her sacrments. Modernism is a heresy. Perfectly orthodox people love the Novus Ordo.

No, Pope Pius V was not lying. He simply didn’t have the competence or authority to bind his successors in terms of a discipline (the form surrounding or cloaking the Holy Sacrifice is a discipline, NOT a doctrine). Because, whether it’s liked or not, the pope has the complete authority to ban the TLM tomorrow OR the Novus Ordo. Priests have the right to celebrate the Tridentine Rite right up until the point where the Pope says they don’t. That’s the Catholic understanding (as opposed to radical traditionalist) of the Pope’s authority.
 
Dr.Bombay said:
And your Mass was a mere babe, having been conceived in a Swiss hotel room in the late 60s.

And like most things y’all’s age, everything’s starting to fade and sag and no amount of cosmetic surgery is going to save the day. It’s terminal, I’m afraid.

RIP novus ordo. Died from terminal banality. :crying:
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The Pauline Rite will be around long after you and I are dead, Doc.
Why, we may even see the Tridentine in the vernacular.
 
JKirkLVNV said:
You really need to stop batting around the term “modernist” for people who like the Novus Ordo or who defend the Church’s right to order her sacrments. Modernism is a heresy. Perfectly orthodox people love the Novus Ordo.

No, Pope Pius V was not lying. He simply didn’t have the competence or authority to bind his successors in terms of a discipline (the form surrounding or cloaking the Holy Sacrifice is a discipline, NOT a doctrine). Because, whether it’s liked or not, the pope has the complete authority to ban the TLM tomorrow OR the Novus Ordo. Priests have the right to celebrate the Tridentine Rite right up until the point where the Pope says they don’t. That’s the Catholic understanding (as opposed to radical traditionalist) of the Pope’s authority.
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Hmmm…if the Pope has supreme, full, immediate and universal ordinary power, he would seem to have the power to bind his successors on disciplinary matters, wouldn’t he? Otherwise, that really wouldn’t be supreme and universal, now would it?

I’m just sayin’. What’s a papolator to do, when on the horns of such a dilemma???
 
Dr.Bombay said:
Hmmm…if the Pope has supreme, full, immediate and universal ordinary power, he would seem to have the power to bind his successors on disciplinary matters, wouldn’t he? Otherwise, that really wouldn’t be supreme and universal, now would it?

I’m just sayin’. What’s a papolator to do, when on the horns of such a dilemma???
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No, he wouldn’t. Study up on it, Doc.

You’re starting to take a tone, Doc, that you’ve not taken in all of our conversations, despite vehement disagreements. I’m not a papalotor.
 
JKirkLVNV said:
The Pauline Rite will be around long after you and I are dead, Doc.
Why, we may even see the Tridentine in the vernacular.
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Whistling past the graveyard, Kirk. I told you the case is hopeless. But whatever gets you through the day…
 
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