Beto O’Rourke on Third-Trimester Abortions: Should be Decision the Woman Makes

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dvdjs . . .
That is the remark that I responded with the question that, had you genuinely aswered tit, would have helped you to realize that I was not “deflecting away from third trimester abortions”.
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You go right ahead and think this dvdjs. And think that is ALL to it too if you want.
 
No, you aren’t. But you have repeatedly, across many threads, claimed that any poster who supports basically any legal restrictions on abortion is being insensitive and not helpful to the prolife cause. In this thread you have more or less argued that third trimester abortions should be legal because many other people think they should be legal. As Democratic support for third trimester abortions are the topic of the thread, and you have repeatedly argued that any means of prohibiting them presented in this thread are actually unworkable or uncharitable, it is reasonable for one to wonder what exactly you do support, since nothing here works for you. Can you not see why your refusal to answer this question is curious? When you go around saying that everyone else’s ideas are wrong but refuse to present your own?
 
FirstFiveEighth said:
… you have repeatedly, across many threads, claimed that any poster who supports basically any legal restrictions on abortion is being insensitive
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I have never made that claim.

I think if your look more closely you may find that someone may propose a legal restriction as a stunt - like the Senate vote on the Green New Deal; I do oppose political games. You might also find that some proposals made represent short term gains that would likely have longer term unintended consequences counter productive to the pro-life mission. I would criticize those proposals. Finally you might find that someone makes a genuine proposal, but with rhetoric that alienate potential allies. I oppose that counterproductive rhetoric.

You will not find me cheering bad ideas just because they are “directionallly” aligned with mine.

But, really, enough about me.
 
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For everybody else.

The topic remains. . . .

Beto supports peoples positions who think that it is OK to murder their
alive and growing pre-born babies. ANYTIME.

And once again. For those lurkers here who may be new to this thread. . . .

Beto is the person on the left in the picture below.

The other two persons on the right are not Beto.

Beto thinks it is OK to murder at least one of the two persons on the right.

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(Picture from my OP.)
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@dvdjs, I would just like to let you know I have read this entire thread, and I really appreciate the concept you are suggesting and trying to convey to the other posters. I am sorry, and truthfully a little embarassed for some of the other posters who are so hell-bent on discussing how horrible abortion is with no interest in exchanging thoughful ideas on how it could be minimized. There is only interest, it seems, in discussing how terrible people who get abortions are, and how it should be illegal. Honestly, I don’t know what the OP was hoping to gain by posting the article on Beto. There are a thousand other threads that have already run their course that those who are interested in reading rhetoric like we have here can go to. There is nothing new about it. No new ideas on how to solve problems.

I find your posts refreshing, thoughtful, and honest, @dvdjs. Thank you for your contribution here.
 
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Apparently you didn’t read all the posts in this thread carefully enough.No one has said a thing about those having abortions as being evil.What is being discussed is the vile nature of abortion and all that that encompasses’.
 
Of course I read it. And of course that is what is being conveyed. It is the same in every thread about abortion on CAF.

One day, Catholics who do that may come to realize that it falls on deaf ears in the pro-choice community. It isn’t getting them what they want, and it never will. Of course I am assuming they really want to minimize abortions. Perhaps that is where I am wrong.
 
Which post refers to women who have abortions as evil?
 
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JMMJ said:
One day, Catholics who do that may come to realize that it falls on deaf ears in the pro-choice community.
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The intent of this thread might not have been made for that purpose.
 
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Wouldn’t it be more appropriate to respond to the the first post that was about that if you weren’t going to address any of the points in the reply?
 
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JMMJ said:
One day, Catholics who do that may come to realize that it falls on deaf ears in the pro-choice community.
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It certainly falls on deaf ears in the community of Democrat presidential camdidates.
 
And Joe Biden who doesn’t think it is right
to put his Church’s teachings on others.
 
First came contraception, which enabled the sexual revolution by separating sex from procreation, and marriage from children, and even from sexual complementarity. Abortion inevitably resulted as the guarantee of sex without procreation. Up until 1930 every Protestant denomination had the same view of artificial contraception as the Catholic Church. Now, they have progressed to contraception, sexual license, same sex marriage, and abortiion. It all hangs together. And children are the big losers.
 
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First came contraception, which enabled the sexual revolution by separating sex from procreation, and marriage from children, and even from sexual complementarity. Abortion inevitably resulted as the guarantee of sex without procreation.
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I think that you are right about this. And it was the underlying point of Humanae Vitae.
This underscore the challenge that we face and should inform the pathway forward.
 
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