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Ridgerunner
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never did I say Jewish law prohibits abortion as an absolute. I only mentioned commercial law.
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Jeanne_S
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What inflamed rhetoric. . You have inserted this into your argument in an attempt to defend your stance…What have I or anyone else for that matter either here or on the macro level said that is so nflammatory.?
Being sickened and disgusted by what amounts to infanticide and speaking out against it is a no no n your eyes?
Being sickened and disgusted by what amounts to infanticide and speaking out against it is a no no n your eyes?
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dvdjs
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That kind of rhetoric, for example - but there has been worse.
How does that invite into a potential mind-changing discussion a person who holds a different view?
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Jeanne_S
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Rhetoric? No,these are human reactions to a repugnant act. So in your view it’s better to skirt around the issue lest anybody be upset . This sounds like moral relativism.What ever happened to the “Do no harm” oath physicians swear to uphold? The knee jerk reaction to severely compromised babies is to just get rid of them sooner rather than later.
It isn’t a religious issue it is a moral issue,these women should be supported and counseled not encouraged to add to their pain by aborting their child.
It isn’t a religious issue it is a moral issue,these women should be supported and counseled not encouraged to add to their pain by aborting their child.
How can one expect to change anyone if you are unwilling to take a stand?
You claim to be pro life.
But all I have seen is a very skilled verbal gymnastics performance to avoid actually saying anything against abortion.
You defend the choice of an abortion so well one may even reasonably conclude you are actually for abortion.
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dvdjs
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Take a stand? Of course.
Signalling sickness, disgust, repugnance. How will that help?
People have to decide if the actually want something done about abortions or just content with other than virtue signalling or partisan political maneuvering.
And, of course, there is no action to be taken against abortion that is not just virtue signaling or political maneuvering.
No action appears to be the order of the day.
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VanitasVanitatum
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It could be that they are exaggerating.
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dvdjs
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Do you really think that?
If there is other, do you not see how the inflamed rhetoric invites the ignore button andhinders progress?
Based upon your responses here, yes.
You have me nearly convinced that you are really pro-abortion and simply trolling pro-life individuals for debate exercises.
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qui_est_ce
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At one point, slavery was also supported by a vast majority.vz71:
One perspective is Jewish law.
The vast majority of people in this nation would oppose honors killings.
The cast majority of people in this nation support legal abortion in the first trimester.
What is your plan to deal with reality? If it is to suppress minority opinions, please consider what that would mean against Catholics.
Truth does not depend on what a vast majority supports.
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qui_est_ce
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No it is not. DVDJS was arguing that there are many differing opinions in this country regarding abortion. My analogy is to point out that is not a good argument.
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qui_est_ce
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Disagree.
We should not allow the caste system here simply because Hindus teach it.
We should not deny women rights because some religions make women second class.
We should allow not murder just because some people think it’s okay.
We should not deny a child the right to life because some think it’s okay.
We should not allow the caste system here simply because Hindus teach it.
We should not deny women rights because some religions make women second class.
We should allow not murder just because some people think it’s okay.
We should not deny a child the right to life because some think it’s okay.
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dvdjs
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But the flaw in your argument was already pointed out.
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dvdjs
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Of course.
The question however is how to change the culture. Surely you are not promoting civil war as the solution?
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Ridgerunner
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No. The first ten amendments a/k/a the “Bill of Rights” cannot be changed. Other amendments can add to those rights or broaden them, but cannot take any away.
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dvdjs
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Can you provide a sound source that documents this idea?
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qui_est_ce
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You can start changing the culture by changing the laws. Begin with Roe v Wade. Look what that led us to.qui_est_ce:
Of course.
The question however is how to change the culture. Surely you are not promoting civil war as the solution?
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dvdjs
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Actually you are not disagreeing with what JC said:
The idea is that the rhetoric is counterproductive to achieving consensus and changing the culture.
Not that the other viewpoints should prevail.
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dvdjs
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I think that that idea is folly. Laws tend to follow culture is a system such as ours.
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