Bi ritual religious order

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mrsdizzyd said:
As I mentioned in the very same post you partially quoted… I was being facetious! 😐
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I apologize. I mostly wanted to clarify because not everyone was aware of this, as was apparent above. I didn’t intend to offend you or anyone else.
 
OrbisNonSufficit said:
To the OP, I was told that obtaining Bi-Ritual faculties was not as difficult if there is substantial majority of believers of other
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It can take a while, though.

I think it took more than a year for our priest to get them after his ordination–even though he was working four days a week at a latin parish and in the latin chancery!

It is rather common for EC priests in the US to have latin faculties. Especially with small parishes, it is even common for the EC priest to be on the latin payroll, working almost full time for them but having disown parish that either couldn’t afford it, or is therefore able to put it into the building funds. And the RC bishop gets an extra priest he desperately needs.
 
otjm said:
Again, I don’t follow them. Their website indicates they have parishes in the US and in Canada (and I presume elsewhere). It is entirely possible they could be in a situation where they need to serve both those preferring the EF, and those preferring the OF, depending on whether they have an official parish, or they serve a larger community drawing from other parishes.
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Yes, I think it is possible that this might happen in Europe, they might have some priests in a parish that servers both, and they might be called to pray both.
 
I’ve met a priest at a Novus Ordo Latin Church who is from India. He was of the Carmelites of Mary Immaculate (C.M.I.) order of the Syro-Malabar Church. So he’s a Syro-Malabar priest who is bi-ritual as a Latin priest.
 
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Alexandria2020 said:
I’ve met a priest at a Novus Ordo Latin Church
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Repeat after me several times:
There is no such thing as a Novus Ordo Church.
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Aside from being condescending and dismissive, it is inaccurate.
  1. It is a Roman Catholic Church. Full stop, no modifiers.
  2. The Novus Ordo Missae is no longer used. Multiple promulgations of the Roman Mass have issued since then. Pope Paul’s Mass was labeled as such; current versions are not. The term is now most commonly used derisively.
 
Alexandria2020 said:
Got it. My apologies.
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You meant no disrespect, no need to apologize. It is more “politically correct” to refer to Novus Ordo and Masses stemming from that as Ordinary Form (OF) and Tridentine Mass to be referred to as Extraordinary Form (EF).
dochawk said:
The Novus Ordo Missae is no longer used. Multiple promulgations of the Roman Mass have issued since then. Pope Paul’s Mass was labeled as such; current versions are not. The term is now most commonly used derisively.
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Well same way, Tridentine Mass is not really Tridentine Mass- it was changed multiple times. What most people do is that they refer to original form of Liturgy, not the revisions. For example Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom was somewhat different from current Byzantine Divine Liturgy, and hence he is not direct author of current Divine Liturgy… yet not only people and Churches but also text of Liturgy itself calls him the author because he authored original version. It is called Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom for that reason. We can call current OF by name of “Mass of Paul VI” even though last revision was not under Paul VI. To be completely precise I would have to call our Mass “Mass of Slovak Conference of Catholic Bishops” because they set some guidelines and changed some parts of Liturgy locally (very minor ones such as including name of St. Joseph in certain parts of the Mass).

I am very grateful for your defense of us Latins who attend OF and are attacked by “NO Mass” polemics and so on, but if done in good faith there is virtually nothing wrong with calling OF “Novus Ordo” because it is a custom to refer to Liturgy by name of it’s original edition 🙂
 
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thanks.

The term itself can be used without mal intent. But as with so many others, over time the term has picked up a meaning/connotation outside of its intent.

Initially, “Mentally Retarded” was introduced to replace the clinical term “moron”, and has itself been replaced due to the connotations it picked up over the decades.

And terms for skin color have been replaced multiple times, to the point that I won’t even list the changes as someone would manage to take it out of context.
 
Dolphin said:
What is a bi ritual?
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Church has different Rites. There is more to Church than just Roman Catholics- there are also Byzantine Catholics, Syriac Catholics etc. They each have their theological emphasis and approach to same Truth (never different Truth) and they have different Liturgies (they do not have Masses, but something akin to them). If Priest can serve Liturgies in more than one Rite, he is called bi-ritual (able to serve in two rites).
 
I am aware of the numerous rites very well. Just didn’t know a priest could do both.
 
Dolphin said:
I am aware of the numerous rites very well. Just didn’t know a priest could do both.
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Oh okay. Well Priests have primarily one Rite but they can assist at different Parish or serve another Rite for faithful who need it. To do this they need bi-ritual faculties (basically approval) from their Bishop.
 
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OrbisNonSufficit said:
To do this they need bi-ritual faculties (basically approval) from their Bishop.
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More significantly, they have to receive faculties from the other bishop.

So an EC priest, for example, needs faculties from the RC bishop to celebrate (as opposed to concelebrate) the Roman Mass.

And for EC, this is quite common, and sometimes he works part of the week for the RC parish and sits on their payroll. My EC parish is less than 1% of the size of the RC parish up the street. We keep him busy ourselves, but many EC parishes are smaller and can have a part-time priest, and put the salary to the building fund (or the fixing yet more holes in the roof fund, or . . .)
 
dochawk said:
More significantly, they have to receive faculties from the other bishop.
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Oh I did not know that. That’s interesting. Does his current Bishop need to approve too?
dochawk said:
And for EC, this is quite common, and sometimes he works part of the week for the RC parish and sits on their payroll. My EC parish is less than 1% of the size of the RC parish up the street. We keep him busy ourselves, but many EC parishes are smaller and can have a part-time priest, and put the salary to the building fund (or the fixing yet more holes in the roof fund, or . . .)
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I actually asked our Priest and apparently in my country it is forbidden by Conference of Bishops to do this… I can not imagine why, but EC Priests can’t help RC Parishes like that (neither vice versa).
 
OrbisNonSufficit said:
Oh I did not know that. That’s interesting. Does his current Bishop need to approve too?
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I think it’s required by obedience. A bishop really can’t have his priests running around celebrating liturgies for other bishops without his knowledge! 😱
OrbisNonSufficit said:
I actually asked our Priest and apparently in my country it is forbidden by Conference of Bishops to do this… I can not imagine why, but EC Priests can’t help RC Parishes like that (neither vice versa).
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I don’t remember which country that is. (Slovakia?)

I think it was a three year contract that our bishop negotiated with the RC bishop when he moved our priest back here a few months after ordination. I think they had him four weekdays a week, between helping at the largest parish in town (and its school with four classes per grade!) and the RC chancery. Curiously, it took much longer for him to grant bi-ritual faculties . . . and then we suddenly lost our priest (the bi-ritual Franciscan I mentioned above), whose order had denied multiple requests to retire (they told him, “those people are taking much better care of you than we possibly could” [we nursed him back after a stroke]), but saw just how worn he was when he went to a conference, so Father ended up with our parish *where he had been assisting), and his RC duties until the contract ran out.
 
dochawk said:
I don’t remember which country that is. (Slovakia?)
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Yeah, that’s the one 😃
dochawk said:
I think it was a three year contract that our bishop negotiated with the RC bishop when he moved our priest back here a few months after ordination. I think they had him four weekdays a week, between helping at the largest parish in town (and its school with four classes per grade!) and the RC chancery. Curiously, it took much longer for him to grant bi-ritual faculties . . . and then we suddenly lost our priest (the bi-ritual Franciscan I mentioned above), whose order had denied multiple requests to retire (they told him, “those people are taking much better care of you than we possibly could” [we nursed him back after a stroke]), but saw just how worn he was when he went to a conference, so Father ended up with our parish *where he had been assisting), and his RC duties until the contract ran out.
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I guess it can really be stressful and make Priests even busier to be in those kinds of situations. Caring for one Parish seems to be more than enough.
 
We were relieved when it ended (as was he).

He still has difficulty saying, “no” when asked to do things, and we have to take steps to run interference from time to time.
 
I think the posts here refer to bi ritual as Latin and an Eastern. But wouldn’t it also include, for instance, two different Eastern rites? I think it would be common in the West, where the next Ukrainian parish is a long way off but there’s a Maronite nearby, and that priest might get sick. Or would that not count as both are Eastern?
 
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