Bible corruption/islamic point of view

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inJESUS:
You are a credit to our faith my friend!
Dear George,

You mean:

Your Catholic faith owes something to Mr. inJESUS?

Or

Without the “efforts” of Mr. inJESUS, your faith is missing/lacking something?

Or

Your faith cannot grow the it supposed to grow without the efforts of Mr. inJESUS?

Or

Is Mr. inJESUS with his “efforts” doing a favour on Catholic faith or on Catholics?


God bless you.
 
gurrato alaien:
Is it this your concept of God what God you worship?!
Who come to the earth and walking and getting circumcised and urined and rode the donkey. Please forgive me I am not trying to insult you nor Christians nor the beloved Prophet Jesus pbuh.
I’m not so sure about the ‘not trying to insult’ bit. Right there is a huge problem that I have with your concept of God. It makes humans somehow ‘less than’ - less than worthy of respect or dignity. After all, we believe we are made in God’s image, and are the pinnacle of creation. You don’t seem so convinced of this.

Jesus coming to us in human form confirmed this for us. It also provides us Christians with the best possible reason why we should treat all other humans with UTMOST respect, charity and dignity. It gives us a great motive for sacrificing our own wellbeing for that of others and getting beyond our own selfish desires.
gurrato alaien:
I m talking to your brain brother wake up brother please see how beautiful the concept of God in Islam is.
The concept of God possibly … it’s some of the Islamic ideas of what behaviour God permits to and expects of US that I’m concerned about. Permissible lying to seduce women? Multiple wives? Easy divorce? Honour killings? Terrorism?

These things after all are the only concrete evidence that we have on which to value of any religion, and frankly I see nothing to be impressed with in Islam.
 
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Justice2006:
George Waters:
Dear George,

You mean:

Your Catholic faith owes something to Mr. inJESUS?

Or

Without the “efforts” of Mr. inJESUS, your faith is missing/lacking something?

Or

Your faith cannot grow the it supposed to grow without the efforts of Mr. inJESUS?

Or

Is Mr. inJESUS with his “efforts” doing a favour on Catholic faith or on Catholics?


God bless you.
i think neither one …he was replying to my passage about Jesus…i expressed what he believes in in a nice way according to him and he wrote to me some kind words.
 
gurrato alaien:
Brother I did not refer to the trinity when I said no wife, I know that you don’t believe that God has wife, I just wanted to clarify that the pure monotheism in Islam is clear, God only one has no partners whether son or others.

Peace.
Just because the Quran says so, it does not mean it’s true! You don’t have any actual proof of its validity!
 
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Booklover:
Just because the Quran says so, it does not mean it’s true! You don’t have any actual proof of its validity!
Here is one verse :

How could He have a son when He has no consort, and He (Himself) created everything, and He is the Knower of all things. S. 6:100-101 Shakir

obviously, mohammad understood it in a sexual way
 
gurrato alaien:
No actually Ijtihad is not wrong but we used Ijthihad in Islam in some cases as example watching TV is it halal or haram permitted or prohibited in Islam because TV was not available in that time 1400 ago so Muslims scholars can tell us whether halal or haram this means Ijtihad.
but this will not be incase the core of faith like concept of God. Should be clear in our Holy Quran, hope this clear to you…
:whacky: You’re starting to sound like our Fundamentalist brethren. 😃

Vickie
 
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Justice2006:
George Waters:
Dear George,

You mean:

Your Catholic faith owes something to Mr. inJESUS?

Or

Without the “efforts” of Mr. inJESUS, your faith is missing/lacking something?

Or

Your faith cannot grow the it supposed to grow without the efforts of Mr. inJESUS?

Or

Is Mr. inJESUS with his “efforts” doing a favour on Catholic faith or on Catholics?


God bless you.
Must everything be a point of contention with you?

What I mean is that inJesus’ example of love and devotion to God is a good example for us all to follow.

If you wish to ague that point you can do it someplace else and with someone else as it is not germane to this thread and frankly not worth anymore of my time.
 
maybe the word used is Usul al Fiqh not ijtihad thou ijtihad is needed to fiqh…

Subject Matter:
As its subject matter, this science deals with the proofs in the Shari’ah source-texts, viewing them from the perspective of how, by means of Ijtihad, legal judgements are derived from their particulars; though after, in cases where texts may appear mutually contradictory, preference has been established

And no, not all doctrines are clear in quran, otherwise there wouldnt have been different schools or madhahib
 
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inJESUS:
And no, not all doctrines are clear in quran, otherwise there wouldnt have been different schools or madhahib
You mean Bible is a clear book and Christiandom has only one Church of Jesus in the last 2000 years?

🙂
 
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inJESUS:
Jesus deserves much more …we should all try our best to be what Jesus wants us to be…it is not very easy in this world of sin, but Jesus’ love and power make miracles in our lives.
Dear inJESUS,
You said: “we should all try our best to be what Jesus wants us to be”
Before you try your best to be what Jesus wants you to be, don’t you want to make sure what he infact wanted from you/want to be?

Where and how you will find Jesus’ truth (authentic)? In the “Gospels According to Matthew/Mark/Luke/John” when these saints/authors are not even the disciples of Jesus but unknown/not sole authors.

How sure you are about the contradictory statements of four “canonised” gospels are infact Jesus’ teachings?​

God bless you
 
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inJESUS:
Jesus deserves much more …we should all try our best to be what Jesus wants us to be…it is not very easy in this world of sin, but Jesus’ love and power make miracles in our lives…
Dear inJESUS,

Then you say: “it is not very easy in this world of sin, but Jesus’ love and power make miracles in our lives”

If Jesus’ love and power makes miracles in your lives, then howcome he Jesus himself failed to perform a miracle in order to save his own precious life and let himself “die” because of Judas–the traitor and false charges.

Had Judas have not betrayed Jesus, do you think Jesus still would have died/committed suicide at some moment in his life? Why he was so rushing/ready to die, with foreknowledge that Judas will betray him no matter what? why Jesus did not allow Judas to delay his betrayal because obviously you believe that Jesus was God or atleast beloved Son of God? Don’t you think Most Loving Father (God) must have told his Only Most Loving Son that Judas is going to betray him and Romans/Jews will kill him in a horrible merciless manner-called crucifixion? If you say Jesus had no idea that Romans/Jews will kill him, then, are you saying:

1. Jesus (who is God in your eyes) had no idea about his own future?
2. Jesus (who is also **The Most Loving Son of God ** in your eyes) had no connections with his **The Holy Loving Father ** before/after his “crucifixion”, because He let his **Most Loving Son ** die by not telling before the betrayal of Judas?
3. What kind of “prophetic” knowledge Jesus had , as the Only Begotten Son of God, that he could not rescue his own life but let him die without completing his own described/layed down plan/mission of “tell the whole truth”.
(Remember!? you are told in your “Gospels” that Jesus had many things to say unto you but you were not ready/fit to recieve **the whole truth ** thus he did not convey the whole Truth but left this job to some other Spirit of Truth).

Now!, in your eyes only Jesus is the Truth. Then, what was so hurry for Jesus to get crucified and not convey the whole truth to his beloved followers, when Saul (who later became "St. Paul) was on his bloody compaign of persecuting them and working for Romans?
Why Jesus atleast could not delay the time of his own crucifixion, in order to convey the whole Truth?
Who could be the best person/candidate (in your eyes) to tell the Truth to you other than Jesus?
Why Jesus had to leave the job of telling the whole Truth to someone else, who still has not arrived in the last 2000 years of your Catholic chruch hisory?

If you say Jesus was actually talking about the Holy Spirit/Ghost, then, my question is: what OTHER / NEW thing the Holy Spirit/Ghost gave to your church, other than what Jesus told you in the gospels gave you ,in the last 2000 years? When the fact of the matter is your Chruch don’t even know for sure where babies of any parents go if they die in their infancy? I know someone came-up with LIMBO theory. But this limboism is not a NEW TRUTH other than “Gospel Truths” because even your own Church “infallible” opinion is diveded on this issue. On what criterion your “infallible” church will convince atleast other churches/sects of your Christiandom, if not other people of faith?

Where is that Spirit of Truth, that supposed to praise Jesus, supposed to glorify Jesus and supposed to speak what Jesus intended? How would you know it is only your church have got the Truth? How about the thousands of other sects/cults who too claim to have same Holy Spirit but reject/disagree with your Church?​

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Justice2006:
You mean Bible is a clear book and Christiandom has only one Church of Jesus in the last 2000 years?

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interesting…i beg you tell me how did you link these 2?
 
Dear inJESUS,

Now, you do believe that you (Catholics) should follow Jesus and also you want other people also to follow him. The question is:

Do you really like to follow Jesus, his life and his teachings as recorded in your gospels written by unknown/unreliable authors and as you/church understood as ‘truth’?
OR
You just want to follow only few selected things of his “teachings”?

If you say I want to follow all the teachings of Jesus as recorded/reported in your gospels, then my question is do you want to remain unremarried for your whole life? Do you want to die/commit suicide if someone convict you on false charges, without bothering to defend and prove your innocence? Do you not like to ask God, if there are any other alternatives to save your life from persecution/crucifixion?

If you say, no I want to defend my case/innocence otherwise it would be a suicidal not to say a defensie word and just ready to get crucified and then when death is in front of you crying loudly in these words “Jesus, Jesus, why has thou forsaken me?”
So, in this case are you actually following Jesus? If not, then what your gospels told/narrated is either not true happenings of Jesus or not the whole picture of what really had happened with Jesus.

Please explain to yourself in which perfect sense you are following him, in either ways. (i.e. 1. You don’t really have full and authentic accounts/teachings of Jesus. 2. If you think you do have, and what you have is really fully followable in practicle sense in order to advice people to follow Jesus or claim that you are following him).​

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no please do not continue Justice 🙂 all your quotations are wrong…if you want answers start a new thread 🙂 lets continue our discussion here please.
 
to everyone here, we all know his questions are very easy and stem from complete ignorance over basic ideas, but please do not answer him…we don’t want this thread to be closed for digression…thx 🙂
 
Justice, already 55 posts on this thread yet did not get a convincing answer…have you got more verses about our topic? other than the ones cited by Gurrato or Joseph or Emad? if yes please quote them…if not, we’ll move to the topic : what mohammad said about the Bible in his hands.thx 🙂
 
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Justice2006:
Dear inJESUS,

Then you say: “it is not very easy in this world of sin, but Jesus’ love and power make miracles in our lives”

If Jesus’ love and power makes miracles in your lives, then howcome he Jesus himself failed to perform a miracle in order to save his own precious life and let himself “die” because of Judas–the traitor and false charges.
You don’t have a clue as to what Christianity is all about, do you?

These remarks of yours expose your ignorance and contempt.

Vickie
 
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inJESUS:
interesting…i beg you tell me how did you link these 2?
Dear inJESUS,

I just wanted to expose the fallacy of your logic/reasoning.

Difference in opinions does not necessarily mean the Truth from which people are deriving their different opinion is not the Truth. The Truth always will mean what it means, regardless of how people percieve it in so many different/contradictory ways.

As far your specific “Truth” of your church, it is Truth, only in your eyes/opinion. It not necessarily the or a Truth in every other person’s eye. Otherwise the whole humanity would have been following your church, the moment people hear your Truth. Like for example, sky, earth, air are facts/truths. No one can deny that because we all see it.

The truth of your Church is a relative thing and it depends upon your indoctrination since your childhood/influence and your specific attitude you choose.

If **a person like you ** were born to a Hindu or Buddhist family, do you think today you would have been preaching Catholicism on a Catholic forum? Or on a Hindu or Buddhist forum, preaching incarnation of infinite God in every other thing of this world, instead of limiting your concept of God to merely three distinct personalities with only one 100% man-incarnation and breaking your head in explaining it’s mysterious “truth”?
 
thank you for your last post…got something to add to this thread before we continue the other point? thx 🙂
 
ok…i want to pray and go to sleep…we’ll discuss new verses if any tomorrow God willing & most probably shift to the other question…good night to all and God bless all…
 
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