Bible Verses that Bible Protestants Don't Follow

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philv said:
I am a Catholic, and there are many bible verses I fail to follow as well, and thus equally a sinner.
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Your statement sounds seriously flawed. I would be glad to elaborate if you want to start a thread on the topic. Send me a message if you do.
 
sainthumbert said:
Your statement sounds seriously flawed. I would be glad to elaborate if you want to start a thread on the topic. Send me a message if you do.
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How would you know if its flawed??? 🤷

Remember, he said “follow” not believe.

I would sooner believe the thread question to be flawed than this man’s honesty.

Michael
 
rcwitness said:
How would you know if its flawed???
Remember, he said “follow” not believe.
I would sooner believe the thread question to be flawed than this man’s honesty.
Michael
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Got it. Smart. :tiphat:
 
What I mean is we’re all sinners. We all fall short to the glory of God. Protestants, and even Catholics. If we’re going to point out verses that Protestants don’t follow, then we need to admit to point out our own verses we fail to follow as well, on an individual basis. We’re all guilty. I was Protestant before, and now I’m Catholic, but that doesn’t make me any less of a sinner. We all fall short, even if we’re a level higher and are more educated. My point is we need to remember to be humble ourselves if we’re going to draw others in. I’m sure we all know that though. Hope that clears it up, if still needed.
 
philv said:
What I mean is we’re all sinners. We all fall short to the glory of God. Protestants, and even Catholics. If we’re going to point out verses that Protestants don’t follow, then we need to admit to point out our own verses we fail to follow as well, on an individual basis. We’re all guilty. I was Protestant before, and now I’m Catholic, but that doesn’t make me any less of a sinner. We all fall short, even if we’re a level higher and are more educated. My point is we need to remember to be humble ourselves if we’re going to draw others in. I’m sure we all know that though. Hope that clears it up, if still needed.
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I understand now. My original question should have said “believe” instead of “follow.”
 
How about Luke 22:29
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 "And I bestow upon you a kingdom, just as My Father bestowed one upon Me" NKJV
Protestants believe that the ‘church’ is a democracy. I guess many Catholics do too:(

Kingdoms, including the ones in the Old Testament, have Chief Stewards who are placed over the entire household. They have royal courts( “college of Cardinals?”), and they have queen mothers.

Kingdoms have settlements that are in allegiance to the kingdom.

The Church is a kingdom and not a democracy.

Calm
 
Well, Augustinian monk/theologian Martin did not like several of the NT books/letters. It was fellow reformer Philipp Melanchthom who convinced Martin to include all of them in his bible translation. And, that “faith alone” is very clearly an alteration of the intent of Paul in Romans, inasmuch as Paul wrote extensively about also performing good works.

We are re-hashing here, but Paul wrote in the context of the ritualistic works of the Mosaic law versus the new law of love given us by Christ.

And, faith alone was certainly an issue in the first century, inasmuch as James so clearly and pointedly wrote against faith alone - witness James 2:16.
 
sainthumbert said:
Does anyone know any New Testament verses that bible protestants don’t follow?
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Can I turn your question on its head a little bit and seek the same answers with a less threatening tone to our separated brothers and sisters please? Perhaps we as Catholics need to be searching for ways that we can demonstrate and better teach the verses that those outside the Church may interpret differently? And the point is very well taken that there will be no blanket answer of verses that will apply to all protestant denominations…our brethren in the fundamentalist and evangelical realms will typically have a different set of verses that they will use as ‘proof points’ to uphold what they personally interpret the scriptures to say, where a protestant from a Lutheran background might have an interpretation that is ‘closer to Home’ for us Catholics to hear.

The biggies have already been thrown out there - All of John 6. Most of the last few chapters of Matthew. A large chunk of the book of Revelation. It has been my (limited) experience that we could serve our faith and our Church well by focusing on teaching on our end in more effective ways, avoiding hypocrisy; which some have started to touch on in this thread already - we need to keep humble hearts when showing others to the fullness of the faith - and, as Catholics we need to remember that we have nothing to fear from any of scripture. But I will admit that when I first started in apologetics, I was terrified if someone threw a verse back at me; one verse, pulled from the context and pulled from scripture as a whole, CAN SEEM to ‘prove’ Catholic teaching to be incorrect. But I have NOT EVER found a verse in all of scripture that holds up to prove the Church wrong when it gets studied and placed in context.
This does NOT mean that if we could just sit in a protestant Bible study and teach them, that any hearts will be swayed…nobody likes to even entertain the idea that they could be wrong and the Church could be right; even me! There is A LOT of pride to be swallowed even for a Catholic to fully submit to all that the Church teaches…which is why the people that do so are often referred to as Saints! 😉 I could tell you plenty of stories where I have been discussing a series of verses with a prominent evangelical minister, where I clearly “won” the discussion through proof points within scripture, and there was even an admission that the Church was correct and he had been teaching it wrongly (in private), only to encounter that same man just days later continuing to teach his congregation in a manner he knew (now) to be false! Even when we ‘win’ we must remember this:
Only the Holy Spirit can change a heart - we can lead that heart to the Truth, but we can not force it to change.

Long explanation to say this: Keep the Faith brother! I am praying with you and for you! I love your zest to share what you and I know about the Catholic faith and our home in her Church - and you are not alone on this journey!

Teaching others about Christ isn’t easy - 10 of the original 11 were martyred in very brutal fashion in exchange for going out into the world and speaking the Truth! We can honor them and therefore honor Jesus Christ by continuing to teach to others with hope, compassion, faith, understanding and love.

God Bless
 
dronald said:
We only follow the Bible, but I’m sure that’s not what you mean.

The most common ones that are thrown at me are “feed my sheep” or “upon this rock” we just have some different interpretations as all.

Another common one I get is:

2 thess 2:15 So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter.

Good luck!
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When you said you had different interpretations for Matt 16 and Christ informing Saint Peter, I must asked you this following question.

Do you as a Protestant, take EVERY word, sentence and paragraph without shunning any parts of the Holy Scripture. Please answer this question and then we can progress further. IF you state you only take certain parts of the Holy Scripture to be inspired, then by whose Authority do you receive this from.

Your Brother in Christ

El Snake O
 
The Entire Book of Revelation as it is the Vision that John has of the worship that occurs in Heaven. This is where the Liturgy of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass comes from.
It leads to the wedding feast of the Lamb. See Also John Chapter one, the miracle of the water into wine. Notice how the actual Bride and Groom are never mentioned, only Jesus and Mary. This miracle is on the seventh day of the New Creation, the number of the new covenant, (remember the seven seals in Revelation?) and it occurs at a wedding Feast.
The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is the sacrifice of Jesus, (the total obedience to the Father) made present to us through out time, and which constantly is present in Heaven. I truly pray for my protestant brother and sisters who have been invited to the Feast, but some how have rejected it. We should all pray for the unity that Jesus prayed for.
I think, since the Bible was written by Catholics our poor brothers and sisters miss out on pretty much the whole thing.
 
Real saving faith is demonstrated by good works.
Works are not the cause of salvation; works are the evidence of salvation.
Lack of works reveals an unchanged life or a spiritually dead heart.

True saving faith is always manifested by good works and a life that desires to live in obedience to God.

That is the meaning of what James was talking about in James 2:14-26 when he said “faith without works is dead”
 
Claire_A said:
Real saving faith is demonstrated by good works.
Works are not the cause of salvation; works are the evidence of salvation.
Lack of works reveals an unchanged life or a spiritually dead heart.

True saving faith is always manifested by good works and a life that desires to live in obedience to God.

That is the meaning of what James was talking about in James 2:14-26 when he said “faith without works is dead”
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:ehh: Catholics (and I think even some Protestants) teach that faith requires good works to be salvific, hence “faith without works is dead”.

“Faith + Works → Salvation” not “Faith → Salvation + Works”
 
UbiCaritas15 said:
Yea, this is a serious problem that ABSOLUTELY falls under the “Catholics don’t follow the Bible either” deal.

On topic

Matt 19:10-12 / Rev 14:4 Consecrated Celibacy
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Here is the problem with that statement: The Catholic CHURCH teaches us, INDIVIDUALS choose to obey or not. There are Catholics who strive in their lives to remain true to the teachings of the church and there are “Cafeteria Catholics” who pick and choose what doctrines to follow and which to reject. 500 years ago a bunch of those guys left the church in protest, hence Protestantism.

Face it, we’re all sinners. The choices we make are the ones that we will face at our judgement. Since protestants rely on their own interpretation of scriptures, they can accept or reject anything they want. True Catholics will follow the scriptures based on the interpretations in the Catechism. Fortunately for those who don;t, we have reconciliation to help us get back on task.
 
Razanir said:
:ehh: Catholics (and I think even some Protestants) teach that faith requires good works to be salvific, hence “faith without works is dead”.

“Faith + Works → Salvation” not “Faith → Salvation + Works”
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They (Good Works) come as naturally as breathing to those who have true faith
 
sainthumbert said:
Does anyone know any New Testament verses that bible protestants don’t follow?
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I’d phrase a question I have in this way-

Does anyone know any Bible verses that Roman Catholics don’t follow?

Does anyone know any Surahs from the Qu’ran that Muslims don’t follow?

Etc…

There are individuals in every religion, denomination, sect that are not going to know all the teachings of their church OR that choose to follow their interpretation of the teachings or choose to *reject *the teachings that do not fit their lifestyle. This variation is in E V E R Y religion. There are verses listed in this thread that are stated as verses that “Protestants” do not follow. I would strongly bed to differ because I follow them (I believe and live out the passages in James, Luke, Revelation etc.), but a Methodist neighbor down the street might not see it my way. Unfortunately, one of us is wrong.

I know Protestants from different denominations who are using birth control. But, I know Catholics as well. I know Protestants who are/were sexually active before marriage. And you’ve guessed it, I know Catholics as well. I know Protestants who have had abortions. Yes, Roman Catholics too. I know Protestants who never want to talk to about or regard Mary for her faith, but they will talk about Paul and other Apostles…but I know Roman Catholics who worship Mary as a goddess. Who’s misinterpreting the Bible out of those two groups? I could go on, but I assume the point is being taken. There are people groups who call themselves Protestant when they are not. There are people who call themselves Roman Catholic when they are not. Protestants are often lumped into this huge category, so the question is certainly difficult to answer. Roman Catholics are lumped into categories too. Does any devout Roman Catholic (American) on this forum want to be associated with Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden or Al Capone? (The list goes on) A person may look at one of them and say, “See? Look at how he/ she does not obey God. Oh, that’s because he/she is Roman Catholic and can just go to confession to be absolved.” Many Roman Catholics are shaking their heads in disgust right now.

Same thing happens when a OP question about the vague term “Protestant” is attempted to be answered. Too many people in this world, too many differences- no mater what religion you label yourself.

Too much sin.
 
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