Bill C16 passes! Rights for Transgender Expression and Identity in Canada!

[josh987654321]

True, that is definitely a concern. Just imagine a politician saying, “We must abolish this hateful institution.” forgetting freedom of religion. Hopefully that will not happen in regards to this bill.

And like some of the others, the question of what is counted as discrimination is a big issue. While this bill most likely overreaches, there definitely are forms of discrimination that plague the transgender community that we could agree are unjust. The issue though is when things that aren’t discrimination become taken up as discrimination.

I think whenever something is vague and ambiguous, there is cause for concern. Especially in light of the current climate.

There have been accusations of racism, homophobia, islamaphobia and hate speech over speech or writing that is none of those things, too many times to count not just in Canada, but in the USA and Australia and Europe. So I think there is cause for concern.

I hope this has helped

God Bless You

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[USMC_Convert]

I am required to tell you that this is wrong, but other than that, I won’t waste my time or words here.

 

[Luke6_37]

theglobeandmail.com/opinion/today-trans-canadians-celebrate-bill-c-16-tomorrow-the-work-begins-for-us-all/article35324961/

Such a huge win for the oppressed! this will save lives in the long run.

From the article:

The new law, passed in the Senate on Thursday, prohibits discrimination against trans and gender non-binary individuals, and includes them within the protections provided by the hate-speech and hate-crime provisions of the criminal law. With the enactment of Bill C-16, the federal government finally joins the provinces and territories that have amended their human rights codes to recognize and protect gender diversity. It is a long overdue statement of the formal equality of trans and gender non-binary Canadians.

From the bishops:

"…the Church teaches that persons with a homosexual inclination “must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity.” We recognize that these persons have been, and often continue to be, objects of scorn, hatred, and even violence in some sectors of our society. Sometimes this hatred is manifested clearly; other times, it is masked and gives rise to more disguised forms of hatred. “It is deplorable that homosexual persons have been and are the object of violent malice in speech or in action. Such treatment deserves condemnation from the Church’s pastors wherever it occurs.”
usccb.org/about/doctrine/publications/upload/ministry-to-persons-of-homosexual-iInclination.pdf

From Cardinal Sean O’Malley:

Some say that the Catholic Church hates people with same-sex attractions. This is not true. In fact, if there are any members of the Church who hate people because of their sexual orientation, they need to go to confession.
cardinalseansblog.org/page/317/?no_redirect=true

My thoughts:

Jesus asks two things of us: Love God and love our neighbor.

He also says, "“Come to me, all you who labor and are burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am meek and humble of heart; and you will find rest for yourselves. For my yoke is easy, and my burden light.” - Mt 11: 28-30

Anyone who finds themselves antagonized by a law that makes it a crime to persecute people for being LGBT need to think about whether the spirit that moves them is truly the spirit sent by Christ.

They should also be cautious of media outlets like LifeSite, that express a hostility towards LGBT persons that is an offense to the Gospel, poisons the minds of the faithful, and drives away those seeking Christ - all to the joy of the Enemy.

There is a hateful edge to the tone of the self identified conservative Christians who write for the LifeSite that is evident in this article about the new book by James Martin, “Building A Bridge: How the Catholic Church and the LGBT Community Can Enter into a Relationship of Respect, Compassion, and Sensitivity”

Vatican names pro-gay Fr. James Martin as communications consultant
lifesitenews.com/news/pope-francis-picks-pro-gay-jesuit-as-consultant-for-vatican-communications

The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. Fr. Martin’s book represents the Gospel in its pure and beautiful form and calls us to love of neighbor and the unburdening of the spirit - just like Jesus taught. Anyone who finds themselves antagonized by Father Martin’s views and feel compelled to label him as “LGBT-pushing” preach a false gospel.

 

[josh987654321]

I think you are spot on. What will be considered a hate crime will be the issue here. No one should be subject to hate crimes but disagreeing with the transsexual agenda should not be considered a hate crime.

We’ll have to see how things go.

Mary.

 

[jesucated]

From the article:

The new law, passed in the Senate on Thursday, prohibits discrimination against trans and gender non-binary individuals, and includes them within the protections provided by the hate-speech and hate-crime provisions of the criminal law. With the enactment of Bill C-16, the federal government finally joins the provinces and territories that have amended their human rights codes to recognize and protect gender diversity. It is a long overdue statement of the formal equality of trans and gender non-binary Canadians.

From the bishops:

"…the Church teaches that persons with a homosexual inclination “must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity.” We recognize that these persons have been, and often continue to be, objects of scorn, hatred, and even violence in some sectors of our society. Sometimes this hatred is manifested clearly; other times, it is masked and gives rise to more disguised forms of hatred. “It is deplorable that homosexual persons have been and are the object of violent malice in speech or in action. Such treatment deserves condemnation from the Church’s pastors wherever it occurs.”
usccb.org/about/doctrine/publications/upload/ministry-to-persons-of-homosexual-iInclination.pdf

From Cardinal Sean O’Malley:

Some say that the Catholic Church hates people with same-sex attractions. This is not true. In fact, if there are any members of the Church who hate people because of their sexual orientation, they need to go to confession.
cardinalseansblog.org/page/317/?no_redirect=true

My thoughts:

Jesus asks two things of us: Love God and love our neighbor.

He also says, "“Come to me, all you who labor and are burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am meek and humble of heart; and you will find rest for yourselves. For my yoke is easy, and my burden light.” - Mt 11: 28-30

Anyone who finds themselves antagonized by a law that makes it a crime to persecute people for being LGBT need to think about whether the spirit that moves them is truly the spirit sent by Christ.

They should also be cautious of media outlets like LifeSite, that express a hostility towards LGBT persons that is an offense to the Gospel, poisons the minds of the faithful, and drives away those seeking Christ - all to the joy of the Enemy.

There is a hateful edge to the tone of the self identified conservative Christians who write for the LifeSite that is evident in this article about the new book by James Martin, “Building A Bridge: How the Catholic Church and the LGBT Community Can Enter into a Relationship of Respect, Compassion, and Sensitivity”

Vatican names pro-gay Fr. James Martin as communications consultant
lifesitenews.com/news/pope-francis-picks-pro-gay-jesuit-as-consultant-for-vatican-communications

The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. Fr. Martin’s book represents the Gospel in its pure and beautiful form and calls us to love of neighbor and the unburdening of the spirit - just like Jesus taught. Anyone who finds themselves antagonized by Father Martin’s views and feel compelled to label him as “LGBT-pushing” preach a false gospel.

Drop. The. Mic. Amazing post! Thank you!

 

[josh987654321]

Drop. The. Mic. Amazing post! Thank you!

Did you read any others? lol

 

[jesucated]

Did you read any others? lol

Yup. I read them all.

 

[Garyjohn2]

Yes, it is important to withhold hatred and bigotry towards those of different orientations, etc. It is the Christian way.

Remember, at the same time, that it is an act of mercy to instruct the ignorant…and “love” means much more than letting other people persist in error because it makes them feel good. Sometimes love means telling someone they are wrong, in a charitable way, in order that they may grow in virtue.

Legal protections against hatred are good. Forced acceptance of immorality as something “good” is terrible. Where does this bill lie? I think that is the question at hand, and the unknown or assumed answer is what people are rejecting/celebrating.

 

[Luke6_37]

Yes, it is important to withhold hatred and bigotry towards those of different orientations, etc. It is the Christian way.

Remember, at the same time, that it is an act of mercy to instruct the ignorant…and “love” means much more than letting other people persist in error because it makes them feel good. Sometimes love means telling someone they are wrong, in a charitable way, in order that they may grow in virtue.

Legal protections against hatred are good. Forced acceptance of immorality as something “good” is terrible. Where does this bill lie? I think that is the question at hand, and the unknown or assumed answer is what people are rejecting/celebrating.

LBGT people are created in God’s image and for that reason alone are entitled to dignity and respect. If you truly have faith in the power of the Gospel, the you do not need to persecute anyone in order to preach it. It works on it’s own.

You’re argument was once used to justify the persecution of heretics through imprisonment, torture & death. Be careful how you use it.

 

[Garyjohn2]

LBGT people are created in God’s image and for that reason alone are entitled to dignity and respect. If you truly have faith in the power of the Gospel, the you do not need to persecute anyone in order to preach it. It works on it’s own.

You’re argument was once used to justify the persecution of heretics through imprisonment, torture & death. Be careful how you use it.

The spiritual works of mercy are not an argument! At the very least it’s not my argument.

Any corrections should be done with charity. This would include preaching without persecution – so I think we are on the same page. I believe that people reacting negatively to the news fear that the very act of preaching the truth…no matter how gently or well intentioned… can and will be construed as persecution. I don’t think the concern is entirely unfounded.

 

[mVitus]

LBGT people are created in God’s image and for that reason alone are entitled to dignity and respect. If you truly have faith in the power of the Gospel, the you do not need to persecute anyone in order to preach it. It works on it’s own.

You’re argument was once used to justify the persecution of heretics through imprisonment, torture & death. Be careful how you use it.

I think the concern for most is not if the law is preventing unjust discrimination, but if it’s going too far.

For example, let’s imagine two laws. Law A is a law that makes it clear that physical abuse towards and LGBT child is child abuse and is enacted to prevent what amounts to torture from a child’s parents due to their child having an transgender tendency, removing children from homes that violate the law. Law A would be just and definitely right. Law B is a law that makes it clear that in the eyes of the law, not allowing a transgender child to transition is child abuse, removing children from homes that violate the law. Law B now goes too far.

So the question then becomes if this C-16 bill is a Law A or a Law B. As the article mentioned things like how healthcare has been something not as easily accessed by transgender people, I would say that is something good as a transgender person should have the same quality of life. But the concern then comes in when there are vague statements of discrimination made, which might have a tendency to go too far.

 

[rock022]

It is easy to see how good or bad is this law.

Jesus said that if they hate you, they hated him first.

When a law passes and it is received with lots of praise from the world, then it is not a good law.

 

[mVitus]

When a law passes and it is received with lots of praise from the world, then it is not a good law.

That’s not a good standard on it’s own really. When women got the right to vote, it was praised. When segregation was abolished, it did receive praise. The further qualifier to add is looking at the law in regards to whether or not it abides by morality from the CC.

 

[Deltadeliquent]

And once again, Canada takes the lead is doing something really, really stupid for no reason other than political virtue-signaling. Lord, I want out of this country soon.

I’ll second that!

 

[Deltadeliquent]

Is Jordan B Peterson the only person who sees what this law actually IS?
It a law that violates free speech by compelling citizens to use certain language.
I for one, will not be using made up “words” to make another feel better about a condition that is best treated, rather than encouraged.

Look him up on you tube. Genius in many areas.

Wait until they come for your kids. This too, will happen. In Ontario, if you child is expressing trans feelings, if you don’t fully support him in “switching” they can take him away from you.

There will soon be nothing but groupthink, and groupspeech.
I pity the next few generations…

 

[Faithdancer]

I think you are spot on. What will be considered a hate crime will be the issue here. No one should be subject to hate crimes but disagreeing with the transsexual agenda should not be considered a hate crime.

We’ll have to see how things go.

Mary.

Not only is disagreeing with the transsexual agenda not a hate crime, it is orthodoxy to so disagree.

 

[Faithdancer]

Is Jordan B Peterson the only person who sees what this law actually IS?
It a law that violates free speech by compelling citizens to use certain language.
I for one, will not be using made up “words” to make another feel better about a condition that is best treated, rather than encouraged.

Look him up on you tube. Genius in many areas.

Wait until they come for your kids. This too, will happen. In Ontario, if you child is expressing trans feelings, if you don’t fully support him in “switching” they can take him away from you.

There will soon be nothing but groupthink, and groupspeech.
I pity the next few generations…

Indeed. I refuse to even use the term “gay” in reference to homosexuals. I refuse to recognize the rainbow as anything but a sign of God’s covenant. Let alone absurd made-up terms like “-cis” and “gender fluid.”

I’d rather be “on the wrong side of history” than on the wrong side of eternity.

 

[ATraveller]

Is Jordan B Peterson the only person who sees what this law actually IS?
It a law that violates free speech by compelling citizens to use certain language.
I for one, will not be using made up “words” to make another feel better about a condition that is best treated, rather than encouraged.

Look him up on you tube. Genius in many areas.

Wait until they come for your kids. This too, will happen. In Ontario, if you child is expressing trans feelings, if you don’t fully support him in “switching” they can take him away from you.

There will soon be nothing but groupthink, and groupspeech.
I pity the next few generations…

In Alberta, schools are now instructed to not tell parents their children are gender dysphoric. You could say it was done by stealth. The NDP government and/or the media played up the school washroom issue to distract the public from this part of the bill, which is much more significant.

 

[JimG]

The fact is, physicians can’t even tell for sure if a child’s alleged gender dysphoria is real or imagined. The inclination may reverse itself in the course of time. Kids are being subject to this experiment without real knowledge, just because it’s trendy.

“The truth is that no one can predict whether a gender dysphoric kid will feel the same way years later. That’s why Olson is leading a study of 300 trans kids that will track outcomes over twenty years. “To be able to, hopefully, answer which children should or should not transition,” she said. In the meantime, many of those children will be encouraged to go ahead and make life-altering medical decisions in light of scientific ignorance.”

The Experiment on our children: Doctors don’t know who the real trans kids are.

 

[Sy_Noe]

you seem to be in favor of this; therefore, how do you reconcile it with Mark 10:6

how big of an issue is it in Canada?

It don’t see why it has to be reconciled with Mk 10:6. It is a civil rights issue. Besides not everyone believes the human writers of Judeo-Christian Scripture were inerrant and were incapable of bring themselves and their times into the writings they penned or wrote perfectly regardless of how inspired they might have been. God may have created male and female. And he may have created LGBT children too.