Bill C16 passes! Rights for Transgender Expression and Identity in Canada!

[Seamus_L]

And the same lunatic leftists who would physically attack people who protest this, would also attack people for opposing Sharia law.

 

[Deltadeliquent]

And the same lunatic leftists who would physically attack people who protest this, would also attack people for opposing Sharia law.

Touché!

 

[rock022]

That’s not a good standard on it’s own really. When women got the right to vote, it was praised. When segregation was abolished, it did receive praise. The further qualifier to add is looking at the law in regards to whether or not it abides by morality from the CC.

You missed the part where I said “The World” How the Catholic Church reacts is different. Pope Francis speaks against gender theory all the time. That should give you a hint.

 

[OraLabora]

Indeed. I refuse to even use the term “gay” in reference to homosexuals. I refuse to recognize the rainbow as anything but a sign of God’s covenant. Let alone absurd made-up terms like “-cis” and “gender fluid.”

I’d rather be “on the wrong side of history” than on the wrong side of eternity.

“Cis” is not a made up term. In chemistry cis and trans refer to the two possible isomers of a molecule. Same structure but mirror images, so that the chemical properties are identical but the biological ones are vastly different as the enzymes required to digest the molecule must fit like lock and key. Hence the term “trans” fats, which are bad as your body cannot break them down as effectively as the cis form.

The use here is not made-up but rather mis-applied. Biological vs. imagined gender would be more accurate. The disorder is alas very real and causes great suffering often leading to suicide.

I would think that the Christian duty is not only to avoid discrimination but also show compassion as we should to anyone suffering a disorder, be it cancer, heart disease, mental disorders, etc., and to propose the best treatment possible.

 

[Cherry5]

From the article:

The new law, passed in the Senate on Thursday, prohibits discrimination against trans and gender non-binary individuals, and includes them within the protections provided by the hate-speech and hate-crime provisions of the criminal law. With the enactment of Bill C-16, the federal government finally joins the provinces and territories that have amended their human rights codes to recognize and protect gender diversity. It is a long overdue statement of the formal equality of trans and gender non-binary Canadians.

From the bishops:

"…the Church teaches that persons with a homosexual inclination “must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity.” We recognize that these persons have been, and often continue to be, objects of scorn, hatred, and even violence in some sectors of our society. Sometimes this hatred is manifested clearly; other times, it is masked and gives rise to more disguised forms of hatred. “It is deplorable that homosexual persons have been and are the object of violent malice in speech or in action. Such treatment deserves condemnation from the Church’s pastors wherever it occurs.”
usccb.org/about/doctrine/publications/upload/ministry-to-persons-of-homosexual-iInclination.pdf

From Cardinal Sean O’Malley:

Some say that the Catholic Church hates people with same-sex attractions. This is not true. In fact, if there are any members of the Church who hate people because of their sexual orientation, they need to go to confession.
cardinalseansblog.org/page/317/?no_redirect=true

My thoughts:

Jesus asks two things of us: Love God and love our neighbor.

He also says, "“Come to me, all you who labor and are burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am meek and humble of heart; and you will find rest for yourselves. For my yoke is easy, and my burden light.” - Mt 11: 28-30

Anyone who finds themselves antagonized by a law that makes it a crime to persecute people for being LGBT need to think about whether the spirit that moves them is truly the spirit sent by Christ.

They should also be cautious of media outlets like LifeSite, that express a hostility towards LGBT persons that is an offense to the Gospel, poisons the minds of the faithful, and drives away those seeking Christ - all to the joy of the Enemy.

There is a hateful edge to the tone of the self identified conservative Christians who write for the LifeSite that is evident in this article about the new book by James Martin, “Building A Bridge: How the Catholic Church and the LGBT Community Can Enter into a Relationship of Respect, Compassion, and Sensitivity”

Vatican names pro-gay Fr. James Martin as communications consultant
lifesitenews.com/news/pope-francis-picks-pro-gay-jesuit-as-consultant-for-vatican-communications

The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. Fr. Martin’s book represents the Gospel in its pure and beautiful form and calls us to love of neighbor and the unburdening of the spirit - just like Jesus taught. Anyone who finds themselves antagonized by Father Martin’s views and feel compelled to label him as “LGBT-pushing” preach a false gospel.

Thank you for your thoughtful post.
For those that need to know - Yes, I have read all the other posts too, but believe this one is truly Christian.
There were 81 votes, 3 abstained, 11 opposed and 67 in favor. the 67 were across party affiliations and many of those changed their position over the last couple of years based on a better understanding of this condition. This was not a close vote.
To me many of these posts represent the 11 “opposed” votes. I am hoping over time perhaps there will be a better understanding and a more charitable disposition for these.
To those who share the perception of the 67 votes - Thank you. It is refreshing to note that most people are charitable and accepting (including many Catholic priests - from personal experience).
For those of you sincerely praying for my soul - Thank you.
God Bless
Cherry

 

[Sy_Noe]

Thank you for your thoughtful post.
For those that need to know - Yes, I have read all the other posts too, but believe this one is truly Christian.
There were 81 votes, 3 abstained, 11 opposed and 67 in favor. the 67 were across party affiliations and many of those changed their position over the last couple of years based on a better understanding of this condition. This was not a close vote.
To me many of these posts represent the 11 “opposed” votes. I am hoping over time perhaps there will be a better understanding and a more charitable disposition for these.
To those who share the perception of the 67 votes - Thank you. It is refreshing to note that most people are charitable and accepting (including many Catholic priests - from personal experience).
For those of you sincerely praying for my soul - Thank you.
God Bless
Cherry

Well said and yes James taught to pray for one another. God bless!

 

[JimG]

“Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions.” - G.K. Cherterton

Unfortunately it will cost more lives in the long run, as kids are schooled in gender theory, encouraged into cross sex hormones, experimentation and surgery and anyone who may object or counsel against such a path are vilified and penalized.

If it wasn’t actually happening it would be comical the positive words they use in that article, because of how vague and zero detail they go into as to what sort of things they mean by words like ‘hate speech’ or ‘equality’.

I hope this has helped

God Bless You

Thank you for reading
Josh

I think you are right. I’m afraid that children and youth are being used as guinea pigs for this brave new world. Accepting fantasy as reality can only result in tragedy.

“Firsthand accounts such as this one confirm the empirical data: no one knows who should transition or at what age, if anyone ever should. Given our inability to predict the future of children’s dysphoria, any doctor who is actively administering hormone blockers based on a child’s feelings is ignoring or dismissing the biological facts and pretending to knowledge he or she cannot have. Ignoring the science is malpractice and places the children and parents at risk of deep lifelong regret for having agreed to unnecessary procedures.”

Source

 

[Estevao]

There isn’t anything that liberals won’t believe these days. You have grown adults, “senators” arguing that people should be sent to prison for calling people names that hurt their feelings. Yuri Bezmenov was so right.

 

[SolicitorPirate]

There is no such thing as Transgender; God will not be mocked.

Sorry God is apparently so thin skinned he can be mocked by my friend’s mere existence

 

[josie_L]

I’m just wondering if the people who express such enthusiasm for this law, can tell me if, under this law, people transitioning into another sex, for example, a man wanting to be a woman, can join an all girl’s gym and shower with the fully anatomically correct females?

Would it be a hate crime if the owner of said gym disallowed him from changing and showering with the other women?

 

[josh987654321]

There is no such thing as Transgender; God will not be mocked.

It depends what they mean by ‘transgender’ if they simply mean gender dysphoria, I agree with them, since I think there is plenty of evidence for that considering the people who feel this way, if it’s ‘a woman trapped in a man’s body’ and vice versa, I think that’s a fallacy.

As for God being mocked, Christ was mocked on the cross, and His response was *‘Father forgive them, they know not what they do’ *

I hope this has helped

God Bless You

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[josh987654321]

I’m just wondering if the people who express such enthusiasm for this law, can tell me if, under this law, people transitioning into another sex, for example, a man wanting to be a woman, can join an all girl’s gym and shower with the fully anatomically correct females?

Would it be a hate crime if the owner of said gym disallowed him from changing and showering with the other women?

Personally I think if they have undergone surgery, it’s not as big of a deal, if they haven’t, then it is a big deal IMO.

I also think surgery is very wrong for those suffering from a mental illness, but if they have already had surgery, then I don’t really see how they can abuse that scenario you present. I can certainly see the problem if they haven’t though and it’s simply based on a personal and subjective identification.

I hope this has helped

God Bless You

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[josh987654321]

I’m afraid that children and youth are being used as guinea pigs for this brave new world. Accepting fantasy as reality can only result in tragedy.

“Firsthand accounts such as this one confirm the empirical data: no one knows who should transition or at what age, if anyone ever should. Given our inability to predict the future of children’s dysphoria, any doctor who is actively administering hormone blockers based on a child’s feelings is ignoring or dismissing the biological facts and pretending to knowledge he or she cannot have. Ignoring the science is malpractice and places the children and parents at risk of deep lifelong regret for having agreed to unnecessary procedures.”

Source

I agree.

God Bless You

Josh

 

[josie_L]

Personally I think if they have undergone surgery, it’s not as big of a deal, if they haven’t, then it is a big deal IMO.

I also think surgery is very wrong for those suffering from a mental illness, but if they have already had surgery, then I don’t really see how they can abuse that scenario you present. I can certainly see the problem if they haven’t though and it’s simply based on a personal and subjective identification.

I hope this has helped

God Bless You

Thank you for reading
Josh

That’ my point, i.e., if they haven’t completely transitioned, and before anyone states that this can’t happen I will remind you all of a case very similar to the scenario I produced:

TORONTO - It’s every woman’s nightmare.

A man posing as a woman invades her personal space: The gym. A washroom. A women’s shelter.

That’s precisely the power that’s been given to any pervert in this province.

Any man who claims to be a transgender woman has the legal right to use women-only facilities with impunity.

It’s a right enshrined in law for 15 years and reinforced in 2012 by “Toby’s Law.”

A man who still has all his male parts, and is not undergoing hormone treatment, can simply say he’s a woman and access women’s facilities.

It’s championed by Barbara Hall, head of the Ontario Human Rights Commission.

In a letter on her website, in response to a Toronto Star article about a transgender “woman” exposing male genitalia to a woman in a gym change room, Hall said such stories are fear mongering.

“We have never seen a documented case of a heterosexual man gaining access to a woman’s change room by posing as transgender. In fact, in washrooms and change rooms, and in society at large, transgender persons are more at risk than anyone else of being harassed, abused, assaulted, or even killed,” Hall said in her letter.

**The shocking case of Christopher Hambrook shows just how wrong Hall is.

Hambrook was not transgender, but used the law to prey on the most vulnerable women in our midst – the homeless, the disabled and people living in shelters.

Calling himself “Jessica,” Hambrook was accepted into two women’s shelters in Toronto.

Imagine the shock of a woman surviving domestic abuse and finding herself **sharing a room with a sexual monster.

In February 2012, one of his victims went to bed wearing tights, a bathing suit and a lightweight shirt in an attempt to cover herself. She awoke to find Hambrook assaulting her.

torontosun.com/2014/02/15/shocking-case-proves-tobys-law-is-flawed

TORONTO - The older I get, the more particular I am about who I get naked with.

It’s not that I’m a prude.

As one ages, things tend to sag and bag and, well, the bits you used to flaunt you tend to want to keep to yourself.

Apparently, I’m not alone.

A recent letter to an ethics columnist in the Toronto Star from an older woman complained she had to share a gym changeroom recently with a man who claimed to be transgendered and was therefore entitled to use the women’s changeroom.

The “woman” had a penis. The penis had an erection and the person it was attached to asked her if she “came here often.”

Don’t get me wrong. I hate to sound insensitive to people who may be having a crisis about their sexuality, but common sense dictates there should be limits to their behaviour.

Apparently not, according to Ontario Human Rights commissioner Barbara Hall.

In a letter on the OHRC website, Hall slams the woman who complained, saying there is no documented case of a heterosexual man gaining access to a women’s changeroom by “posing as a transgender.”

In such situations, “transgender persons are more at risk than anyone else of being harassed, abused, assaulted, or even killed,” Hall said.

“For more than 15 years, transgender people in Ontario have had the legal right to use the washroom — or changeroom — according to their lived gender identity,” she said.

Hall slams those who call for segregation of transgender people into separate bathrooms and changing spaces.

“This is a practice based on fear and stereotypes, and is exactly opposite the vision of Ontario’s Human Rights Code, which is to build an Ontario based on inclusion, where everyone feels a part of and is able to contribute to the community.”

Oh, please.

“Fear and stereotypes” have nothing to do with it.

Modesty and the expectation that you’re sharing a changeroom with a person of the same gender is more realistic.

I am sure we’re all sympthetic to transgendered people, but it’s unrealistic for them to expect to be accepted by the mainstream of women in a changeroom if they still have male parts.

If they don’t want to undress in the men’s changeroom, then the gym should set aside a private place where they can change without embarrassment.

At the same time, we have women-only swim times at an aquatic centre in Regent Park in order to accommodate certain religious and cultural minorities for whom communal bathing is a no-no. And the OHRC supports that.

It begs the question: If a transgendered woman with a penis busts a female Islamic swim class in downtown Toronto, whose human rights take precedence?

It was a question I wanted to ask Hall. Sadly, though, she did not want to be interviewed for my column Tuesday.

torontosun.com/2014/01/28/political-correctness-shouldnt-trump-common-sense

 

[jesucated]

It don’t see why it has to be reconciled with Mk 10:6. It is a civil rights issue. Besides not everyone believes the human writers of Judeo-Christian Scripture were inerrant and were incapable of bring themselves and their times into the writings they penned or wrote perfectly regardless of how inspired they might have been. God may have created male and female. And he may have created LGBT children too.

 

[jesucated]

Thank you for your thoughtful post.
For those that need to know - Yes, I have read all the other posts too, but believe this one is truly Christian.
There were 81 votes, 3 abstained, 11 opposed and 67 in favor. the 67 were across party affiliations and many of those changed their position over the last couple of years based on a better understanding of this condition. This was not a close vote.
To me many of these posts represent the 11 “opposed” votes. I am hoping over time perhaps there will be a better understanding and a more charitable disposition for these.
To those who share the perception of the 67 votes - Thank you. It is refreshing to note that most people are charitable and accepting (including many Catholic priests - from personal experience).
For those of you sincerely praying for my soul - Thank you.
God Bless
Cherry

 

[Sarcelle]

“Virtue-signalling” is by far the worst term to come out of the Alt-Right.

Virtue signaling hits the nail on the head.

It hits all the right notes and does bear a passing resemblance but does not have anything in common with true virtue. It’s just posturing while pretending to care. It’s all about image.

 

[abucs]

Virtue signaling hits the nail on the head.

It hits all the right notes and does bear a passing resemblance but does not have anything in common with true virtue. It’s just posturing while pretending to care. It’s all about image.

It’s not a term I use but I think it is an accurate explanation of what is going on with people who have replaced Christianity with the religion of political correctness.

 

[Faithdancer]

“Cis” is not a made up term. In chemistry cis and trans refer to the two possible isomers of a molecule. Same structure but mirror images, so that the chemical properties are identical but the biological ones are vastly different as the enzymes required to digest the molecule must fit like lock and key. Hence the term “trans” fats, which are bad as your body cannot break them down as effectively as the cis form.

The use here is not made-up but rather mis-applied. Biological vs. imagined gender would be more accurate. The disorder is alas very real and causes great suffering often leading to suicide.

I would think that the Christian duty is not only to avoid discrimination but also show compassion as we should to anyone suffering a disorder, be it cancer, heart disease, mental disorders, etc., and to propose the best treatment possible.

I do have compassion for those who have gender confusion. I occasionally work directly with public school students who suffer from this, and treat them the same as everyone else.
I’m aware of the scientific meanings of cis and trans. I think you summarize the semantic issue very well here:
“Biological vs. imagined gender.”
The disorder is real. And the American public is coerced to accept that the delusion is real as well. Not just for the sufferer but for everyone. That is what I object to.
Thanks!

 

[Faithdancer]

Virtue signaling hits the nail on the head.

It hits all the right notes and does bear a passing resemblance but does not have anything in common with true virtue. It’s just posturing while pretending to care. It’s all about image.

Indeed it is. And sexual sin is now a new virtue. If you don’t accept that, you’re a bigot