Bill Donohue Must Resign, For The Good of American Catholics

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Do you think dealing with anticatholics is unrelated to his heritage?
If I understand the question…Yes, I think any Catholic can deal with anticatholics, doesn’t really matter what nationality they are…or where they came from. I do think that he displays a “salty Irish” persona, but that is a trait that can apply to many different ethnic origins. Whether or not his “Irish” origin is a factor in his straight forward no nonsense personality is not really the subject matter at hand. If people want to talk about the different personality traits of various nationalities, I would suggest they start another thread.
 
If I understand the question…Yes, I think any Catholic can deal with anticatholics, doesn’t really matter what nationality they are…or where they came from. I do think that he displays a “salty Irish” persona, but that is a trait that can apply to many different ethnic origins. Whether or not his “Irish” origin is a factor in his straight forward no nonsense personality is not really the subject matter at hand. If people want to talk about the different personality traits of various nationalities, I would suggest they start another thread.
His Irish origin is a direct factor in him even been a Catholic.
 
Only Irish citizens are Irish.
That’s like saying only people born in Africa are African, something I think African Americans would disagree with you about.

There is a difference between citizenship and national identity.

The Irish continued to exist even when there was no such thing as Irish citizenry and they were all British Subjects, they did not suddenly stop been Irish and become British.
 
Someone with a sense of history…I really liked what you said about selling their sovereignty. I don’t get it.
My family have been Irish Catholics for over 1200 years, Bill Donohue can probably say the same, and which is something the natives seem in a hurry to abandon with the same speed they abandoned their sovereignty.
 
1200 years back you are probably also “directly” descended from Arabs, Chinese and Africans. You might want to ponder the nature of exponents.

If you guys want to rally around Bill Donahue go ahead no one can stop you. It will no doubt contribute to people like you getting their jollies from playing martyr in the future too. keep it up.
 
1200 years back you are probably also “directly” descended from Arabs, Chinese and Africans. You might want to ponder the nature of exponents.

If you guys want to rally around Bill Donahue go ahead no one can stop you. It will no doubt contribute to people like you getting their jollies from playing martyr in the future too. keep it up.
There were no Arabs, Chinese or Africans in Ireland 1200 years back or anytime up to when my family left in the 1800’s and I know all my ancestors in my line till back to that point and beyond.

There is only the blood of the Irish gaels and some Norman blood from when we intermarried with the Costello family.
 
His Irish origin is a direct factor in him even been a Catholic.
Huh? People from other backgrounds are usually not Catholic? What about the Italians? The Polish? The Mexicans? And how many other countries are there that have a large Catholic population? I don’t get your point.🤷
 
Huh? People from other backgrounds are usually not Catholic? What about the Italians? The Polish? The Mexicans? And how many other countries are there that have a large Catholic population? I don’t get your point.🤷
If he had been descended from Chinese what are the chances of him been Catholic in comparison? That is my point.

As you point out there are many other peoples who also have a strong tradition of Catholicism and there are many who can match Donohue among the Italians, Polish and Mexicans for their passionate Catholicism to. It is the knowledge they are heirs to that cultural tradition that instils them with such passionate love for the Catholic Faith of their ancestors.
 
If the fault is a personal one then it can only be addressed by addressing the person, by ad hominem, ad hominem does and must have its place to those who live in the real world.
I think even Beau would have to agree as he did in the case of the judge who was in charge of a ruling on deep sea drilling at the same time that he held Exxon shares.

In this case the source of the article is indeed relevant too. There is more than a little reason to expect a biased opinion, when we consider the source.
Or as a TV lawyer might argue, it goes to motive.
 
There were no Arabs, Chinese or Africans in Ireland 1200 years back or anytime up to when my family left in the 1800’s and I know all my ancestors in my line till back to that point and beyond.

There is only the blood of the Irish gaels and some Norman blood from when we intermarried with the Costello family.
you have four grandparents, each of whom have four grandparents, each of whom have four grandparents, etc. there is no way you know all your ancestors 1200 years back.
this is beside the point though. As long as you’re defending ad hominen arguements, there’s a word for people who claim to be “irish” because people they never knew once lived there. It’s “poseur.”
 
It doesn’t matter what you do…people are going to be offended. It seems these days more and more people want a watered down religion. They want to be able to pick and choose…I don’t think God is pleased. I appreciate Bill Donohue standing up for Catholics…if I wanted a watered down religion I would have stayed in my protestant church (not Lutheran)…
 
you have four grandparents, each of whom have four grandparents, each of whom have four grandparents, etc. there is no way you know all your ancestors 1200 years back.
this is beside the point though. As long as you’re defending ad hominen arguements, there’s a word for people who claim to be “Irish” because people they never knew once lived there. It’s “poseur.”
I don’t think so. Many people still form a strong identification with the country and culture of their ancestors that last for generations. This may be less so for the British in the New World, where their very Britishness came to define the dominant culture, but for minorities—Irish, Italians, French, Chinese and Indians too—this is often very much the case.

That being said, it would seem that Donahue was hamming for the camera in this case, playing up the stereotype of the ‘Fighting Irish’ so to speak.
All the same, there is something very real about his ‘Irishness’ too. it is not like the cultural influence just vanishes. It transforms in different ways that the Irishness of those from the homeland for sure, but no Europeans in the New Country have exactly ‘gone native’.
A linguistic anthropoligist once brought up the idea that the English of Americans likely sounds closer to the English of the seventeenth century Englishman than the English of today’s Londoner. Americans are more conservative after all, and may well have held onto the ways of their ancestors more than the more liberal Englishman on the British Isles.

Culturally speaking, bill Donahue may well have kept as much of his Irish culture as today’s average Dubliner too. A typical modern Irishman may not like what he has to say, but it is very possible that an Irishman from the Eastern Seaboard is closer to his Irish roots than might be a citizen of the Emerald Isle.
 
you have four grandparents, each of whom have four grandparents, each of whom have four grandparents, etc. there is no way you know all your ancestors 1200 years back.
this is beside the point though. As long as you’re defending ad hominen arguements, there’s a word for people who claim to be “irish” because people they never knew once lived there. It’s “poseur.”
Actually there is a way, the Irish Genealogies are documented accurately right back till the 5th Century and there is an oral tradition which goes back even further for many Irish families including my own.

But I would not need to know all my ancestors back until the 5th century to know there aren’t any Arabs, Chinese or Africans in my family all I would need to know was that there was no Arab’s, Chinese or Africans living in Roscommon any time before my family left there in the 1800’s and then who my ancestors where back till that point, which I would imagine is achievable for most people.

It’s interesting that me having such knowledge of my origins evokes such a strong reaction from you, care to explain yourself?
 
I don’t think so. Many people still form a strong identification with the country and culture of their ancestors that last for generations. This may be less so for the British in the New World, where their very Britishness came to define the dominant culture, but for minorities—Irish, Italians, French, Chinese and Indians too—this is often very much the case.

That being said, it would seem that Donahue was hamming for the camera in this case, playing up the stereotype of the ‘Fighting Irish’ so to speak.
All the same, there is something very real about his ‘Irishness’ too. it is not like the cultural influence just vanishes. It transforms in different ways that the Irishness of those from the homeland for sure, but no Europeans in the New Country have exactly ‘gone native’.
A linguistic anthropoligist once brought up the idea that the English of Americans likely sounds closer to the English of the seventeenth century Englishman than the English of today’s Londoner. Americans are more conservative after all, and may well have held onto the ways of their ancestors more than the more liberal Englishman on the British Isles.

Culturally speaking, bill Donahue may well have kept as much of his Irish culture as today’s average Dubliner too. A typical modern Irishman may not like what he has to say, but it is very possible that an Irishman from the Eastern Seaboard is closer to his Irish roots than might be a citizen of the Emerald Isle.
some people were also really into Vanilla Ice’s first album
 
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