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Darryl1958
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Partial quotes tend to ignore the context essential to understanding of the point being discussed.
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Peebo
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No…the essential point was in complete context with your quote that you made…“nobody died on the Malvinas…they are the Falklands”…you can play all the semantics you want over the name Falklands/Malvinas…but it doesn’t change the fact people died there…and in the immortal words of Forrest Gump…“that’s all I got to say about that”…have a nice day…God bless
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Crossbones
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By definition, creating heat is not adding to the conversation. I’d be happy to listen to an intelligent debate on key issues we face, but that’s not what we get on these shows. We get pundits repeating talking points with ill disregard to using a code of ethics or logic.
And, to again be clear, both sides do this.
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The heat itself is just hot air. But it does cause others to talk about issues related to the particular heat. Heat about Obama, the Church, minimum wage, ISIS, race relations, et al sometimes gets serious conversations going. Heat about Kardashian dates, travel, etc sparks coversations about nothing of any importance.
Even I will admit the drivel Sharpton, Matthews, and others puts out has more value than the Kardashians.
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Exiled_Child
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I’ve never actually watched O’Reilly on television, but I have heard him on the radio. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he’s honestly seen some bloody stuff and experienced some sketchy things on the edges of war zones. I think most foreign correspondents/journalists probably have; it’s just part of the job. Just having listened to him a couple times he didn’t strike me as a braggart, someone along the lines of a Hillary recounting running across a bullet strafed tarmac.
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Darryl1958
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triumphguy
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Still doesn’t make them the Malvinas. They are the Falklands.
Ayatollah Khomeini called the USA the Great Satan. Would you therefore agree that a valid name for the united States is the Great Satan?
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triumphguy
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Nope - they would still be the Falklands. Just because a country unjustly invades another’s territory doesn’t give them the right to change the name on all the maps of the world.
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Darryl1958
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Well, maybe not.
I,for one, still call Ho Chi Minh City, Saigon.
But wiki has its article on Ho Chi Minh city, not Saigon.
I think the maps really have been changed, unjust or not, right or not.
To the victor goes the spoils. Whether that is fair or not, it just seems to me to be downright cheap to sympathize with that misguided chauvinist act of Argentinian nationalism by calling the territory by the name that the Argentinians have given it, rather than by its proper name, the Falklands.
It is worthwhile calling leftists out on this kind of behavior when they try to impose their reality on a situation, as if the British had not successfully protected their British subjects from this rather fascist nationalism that the Argentinian government involved itself in, in order to rally some emotional support from the Argentinian people.
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triumphguy
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I actually feel sorry for the Argentine people in all this. They are being manipulated by this issue so the government can get a free pass on the state it has brought the country down to.
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Path_Finder
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So, you are saying that if you knew a company that made a map of the world in Spanish and they called those islands “Islas Malvinas”, that they are wrong and that the maps which have probably existed for centuries in some form should say “Islas Falklands”. I doubt if one would actually be so critical of this, they might write say a publishing house and tell them this. Would not this request sound a bit out of the ordinary? You could say we are speaking in the English language so they are the “Falklands” in that aspect but many of us do know both languages. If you are saying then, it is about languages, we aren’t calling “Puerto Rico” it’s English translation of Rich Port?
http://diccionariovisual.larousse.com.mx/images/esp/america-del-sur-274630.jpg
This isn’t political it is really about languages.
Diccionario La Rousse’s, many would know this company called La Rousse. What is there political gain if they label the islands Malvinas in Spanish? My own take is really, the islands are probably correctly called either of those but Falklands are British islands.
Falklands/Malvinas. diccionariovisual.larousse.com.mx/tierra/geografia/configuracion-de-los-continentes/america-del-sur.php
La Rousse is a French company: britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/330682/Larousse and they have been around for a long time, I know that, the article says since 1852. So if one asserted that their world maps and maps are in error because in the Spanish language, they call them the Malvinas, I think that’s a bit peculiar but it is one’s right.
In no way, do I believe though, that the Falklands are an Argentine territory without really knowing the history of the islands, it appears the British settled them a long time ago and the islands do seem to have less than 3,000 inhabitants, penguins and whatever else. Nothing to have a territorial war over.
Comparing what the Ayatollah said to maps that have been around for a hundred years and probably used by sailors and ships of all kinds. I can see it now, hey you sailing around the Straits of Magellan, they are the Falklands! Not the Malvinas! Think of how many ships, probably with knowledge of Spanish often, Spanish speaking sailors have sailed through those ocean pathways. I think it is a bit academic.
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Path_Finder
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So, if a Spanish book has a map of the ocean in the Southern Hemisphere calling the islands “Malvinas”, you are actually saying that is wrong?
You are speaking about the political implications of this. Those islands simply have long been known by another name as well in a different language.
I’m sure, maps can be brought up from the 1890s calling these islands Malvinas. It doesn’t mean Argentina settled them or has a claim to them, it is just what they are also known by.
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Path_Finder
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An old French Languaged Map: And it has at the very bottom one can see the islands, they are called as best I can make out, Malvinas and Falklands, one may have to save and enlarge it but that is what it says.
http://pictures2.todocoleccion.net/tc/2010/05/18/19405925.jpg
With this entrenched in custom in this way, I’d find it hard to say, in French, “pardon me Monsieur, but your map is in error”. Sailors have used seafaring maps to take their ships to these ports. Really, there isn’t a rule anywhere that says this war was fought and it has to be called Falklands only.
I am sure there are examples where one says “this language calls this place one thing but another language calls it something else.”
http://pictures2.todocoleccion.net/tc/2010/05/18/19405925.jpg
With this entrenched in custom in this way, I’d find it hard to say, in French, “pardon me Monsieur, but your map is in error”. Sailors have used seafaring maps to take their ships to these ports. Really, there isn’t a rule anywhere that says this war was fought and it has to be called Falklands only.
I am sure there are examples where one says “this language calls this place one thing but another language calls it something else.”
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Darryl1958
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The Falklands War took place around 1982, not 1892. Perhaps the problem is merely the difference between a transposed number then.
But since nobody here is carrying on the conversation in Spanish, what I am saying is that just like when Arabs make maps of the Levant and call the whole territory Palestine, it is worthwhile to note that the year is 2015, and not 1915, and not 9115, or whatever year it will eventually be when that kind of map will carry some political truth to it.
People can still call the Canadian territory of Nunavut by its old name, the NorthWest Territories, but calling it by that name does not make it true. It hasn’t been called Nunavut since 1999. There is a good chance too that the Inuit would be a little insulted by the willful ignorance of not recognizing their victory in having their territory officially recognized by the name that they have given it.
The name of the territory in question here is the Falklands. It is incorrect to call it by another name, especially on a thread about a war where the name of the islands would be the Malvinas, if Thatcher did not stand up to the little fascists who thought they could get away with it.
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Path_Finder
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Please answer simply Yes or No, okay, we have got ** your point about “little fascists”. **The Falklands War took place around 1982, not 1892. Perhaps the problem is merely the difference between a transposed number then.
But since nobody here is carrying on the conversation in Spanish, what I am saying is that just like when Arabs make maps of the Levant and call the whole territory Palestine, it is worthwhile to note that the year is 2015, and not 1915, and not 9115, or whatever year it will eventually be when that kind of map will carry some political truth to it.
People can still call the Canadian territory of Nunavut by its old name, the NorthWest Territories, but calling it by that name does not make it true. It hasn’t been called Nunavut since 1999. There is a good chance too that the Inuit would be a little insulted by the willful ignorance of not recognizing their victory in having their territory officially recognized by the name that they have given it.
The name of the territory in question here is the Falklands. It is incorrect to call it by another name, especially on a thread about a war where the name of the islands would be the Malvinas,** if Thatcher did not stand up to the little fascists who thought they could get away with it.**
Are you saying that Puerto Rico should be called Rich Port? Yes Or No?
Are you saying San Francisco should be called Saint Francis? Yes or No?
Are you going to write letters to any map-makers, atlases, that label those islands as both Falklands and Malvinas asking them to remove the Spanish names? Yes or No? If not why not.
Are you saying that Nevada should be called “Snow Fall”? Yes or No?
The conversation is not in Spanish, so according to your logic, it seems you are saying that any Spanish name should be called something in English.
Where is this rule you are talking about that says since the British won that war, the Falklands Islands are only to be referred to as the Falkland Islands?
I’m sure, nothing negative could ever be found about the British Empire especially in regards to off-topic places such as Kenya and Ghana.
I look forward to your answer if it can simply answer these questions with a yes or no. Please be aware, if such answers can not be answered in this manner, I don’t think you have a valid point.
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Path_Finder
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Who’s rule is this?? Is that just your own opinion??
They were called Malvinas before they were called Falklands.
So, by the rule of what came first, it is.
They are called both. Period. Not because it is in one language or another. What kind of logic is this?
Spanish Maps have them called both.
Such an attitude I believe is what is called * Ethnocentrism *
Thank You Very Much. I guess no one knew who won the Falklands Islands War previously.
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Path_Finder
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Prove your point that the Argentinians gave the names of the Islands “Malvinas” that name. If you can not prove that, then let it be seen by all.
Also, according to you, the Falkland Islands are spoils??
Well, then let’s call it like you say it is, People, Soldiers died on the Spoils.
Sorry, the Brits own the Islands, they don’t own the World.
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Path_Finder
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Okay, again, please document that if I understand correctly, using the word “Malvinas” is an instrument that Leftists use. Also, since you are calling them out, please say who.
Also, since historically, Malvinas was probably used first to describe the islands and surely, thousands of ships and thousands of Sailors journeyed to South America, a largely Spanish speaking continent used the word Malvinas, please show us how if one uses the word “Malvinas”, this is “Leftists imposing their reality on a situation”.
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Path_Finder
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It’s very sad what happened in the Malvinas Islands where British and Argentine soldiers died.
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