Billboards proclaiming ‘Jesus is Muslim’ getting people upset

[Gabriel_of_12]

I am not “Muslim” friend…my formal faith tradition is Friend aka Quaker. I would like to believe I am “muslim” however.

Good point, but saying you believe your a Muslim does not make you a Muslim; Practice, Practice, Practice makes one a Muslim.

Is one a Muslim according to the divine laws of creation that obeys God’s Word; "from dust you came, to dust you shall return?

Or is a Muslim who professes and practices the tenants of Islam?

Jesus is neither of the above exampled Muslims, for His (Jesus) flesh did not return to dust and remains eternally incorruptible.

For Jesus to be Muslim, His flesh would have to submit to corruption and obey the laws of God. Thus Jesus is never a Muslim in any sense, because the laws of God submit themselves to Jesus and obey His every Word.

Peace be with you

 

[MartinJordan]

How can God be God? If God has to deceive man to fake a crucifixion? Does God have any reason to lie and deceive man? I can’t figure that out myself? How can the crucifixion be a hoax according to Islam, when non-Christian Jews, pagan Romans give eyewitness accounts to the crucifixion taken place?

Yet it is expressed by Muslims that the Christians changed the words or added these stories to the biblical texts’. The Muslim wins again with double meaning words. The Christians did write the New Testament who were all Jewish converts except Luke who was a pagan Doctor. What they have to prove is that Christians changed the actual event from their writings. The attempt to disprove the Christian Jesus and the crucifixion is made from copies of the originals, by minimum typo errors compared to heretical Christian writings. What they neglect to reveal is that the teachings and practices of Christianity were all in practice and preached orally before anything got written.

For me, It’s difficult to disprove one’s faith (Christianity) if no one of the Islamic faith was their to give an eyewitness account. Arguing from afar without fact, becomes only an opinion of Islam.

Peace be with you

Yep. However the,only answer one will get is “Allah knows best”. That’s why Ive been reiterating several times in various Islam threads here at CAF, that Allah knows best isn’t Theology. It falls short sadly of failing to ask reasonable intellectually,honest questions about how God reveals the Gift of Himself to mankind.

I’m not insinuating Muslims love God less than Christians and would never doubt there is a Faith wanting to follow God in all his Goodness and Mercy. Yet perhaps Muslims could be afraid to ask hard questions due to fear of reprisal from their higher authorities.

Isn’t it great when we have the promise of Christ when he,said “Don’t be afraid…i am,with you”? “Remember the world hated me first”, “I am the living water…no one will thirst…”, " I am the light of the world", and more. Amen!

MJ

 

[Publisher]

Good point, but saying you believe your a Muslim does not make you a Muslim; Practice, Practice, Practice makes one a Muslim.

Is one a Muslim according to the divine laws of creation that obeys God’s Word; "from dust you came, to dust you shall return?

Or is a Muslim who professes and practices the tenants of Islam?

Jesus is neither of the above exampled Muslims, for His (Jesus) flesh did not return to dust and remains eternally incorruptible.

For Jesus to be Muslim, His flesh would have to submit to corruption and obey the laws of God. Thus Jesus is never a Muslim in any sense, because the laws of God submit themselves to Jesus and obey His every Word.

Peace be with you

Friend. I didn’t say I was Muslim…I am a Friend…I would like to believe I am submissive to the Will of God, if I spoke Arabic I guess I’d say “I hope I am muslim”

I’ve not claimed Jesus was Muslim. If I spoke Arabic I would say He was “muslim” or " submissive to the Will of God".

I addressed you as “friend”, but I don’t think anyone believes I think you a Friend.

 

[IgnatianPhilo]

I am not “Muslim” friend…my formal faith tradition is Friend aka Quaker. I would like to believe I am “muslim” however.

A meaningless distinction whether you use capitol letters or not.

“I’m not a Christian, but I am a christian”, says a man.
“So you believe in Jesus Christ, our lord and our God?” says another man.
“No no no, i believe in Thor, prince of thunder, but I accept Jesus as a good god.”
“Then your not a Christian then.”
“Yes I am, I just used the term without a capitol c, therefore its okay.”
Other man walks away shaking his head.

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

Friend. I didn’t say I was Muslim…I am a Friend…I would like to believe I am submissive to the Will of God, if I spoke Arabic I guess I’d say “I hope I am muslim”

I’ve not claimed Jesus was Muslim. If I spoke Arabic I would say He was “muslim” or " submissive to the Will of God".

I addressed you as “friend”, but I don’t think anyone believes I think you a Friend.

Reading just the words from your last statement can be interpreted three different ways. But I won’t go there, let’s just say, I get your meaning.

We move from a Muslim who submits and obeys the laws of God, to one being a Muslim who submits to the will of God?

That is a different subject all together when introducing the “will of God” as one being submissive to God’s will. The will of God is always in the present tense eternally.

Does a Muslim submit to what God revealed as being obedient to God’s revelation? or do you or a Muslim claim to be eternally in God’s presence as to know God’s will as to be submissive to God’s eternal will?

The only begotten incarnated Son knows His Father, no one knows the Father, nor has anyone seen the Father except His only begotten Son Jesus Christ, because the Son comes from His Father. If the Son knows His Father, the Son knows and does whatever His Father is doing in Heaven the Son does likewise. This reveals the Son in the Will of God and fulfilling the will of God.

Islam is not in the will of God, because Islam makes no such claim as being divine. Islam is a slave to it’s creator and submits to what Islam believes independently of what God revealed to It’s prophet.

I find it very difficult to relate any Muslim being submissive to the will of God? When Muslims are holding to a revelation of a past event claiming to be from God. What is God’s will in the present to the Muslim that a Muslim submits to the will of God.

If God’s will is stuck in the past events, they are not the will of God, but the revelations of God. To Know God’s will as to become submissive to God’s will, one would have to consult with God daily in His presence.

Please explain what it is to be submissive to God’s will? or is one submissive to God’s revelations?

Jesus cannot be Muslim as to be submissive to God’s will, because Jesus does not submit to God’s will, Jesus is the will of God personified, who fulfills the will of God. Jesus fulfilling God’s will is not the same as one who submits to the will of God that is revealed from a revelation.

Jesus does the revelation of God and is the revelation of God, Jesus does not submit to the revelation of God, as Muslims make the claim. Therefore Jesus is never a Muslim as one who submits to the will of God.

Your Muslim interpretation of submitting to the will of God, first has to reveal what is the will of God that a Muslim submits himself too?

In the garden we see Jesus offering up His sacrifice from His full humanity as not being His will to do, but His will is to do the will of His Father in heaven by bringing the will of His Father through His own body to fulfillment.

Does a Muslim pretend to fulfill God’s perfect will through a Muslims humanity? To think so, makes the Muslim divine in direct blasphemy.

So again we find a forked tongue with double meaning words pertaining to the “will of God”, that gives the Muslim an out, when faced with Truth that exposes Islam.

I will yield to hear how a Muslim knows the Will of God as to obey it and submit to the will of God and bring God’s will to fulfillment as Jesus does.

Who knows the will of God? except God himself. Jesus knows the will of God and fulfilled God’s will in His incarnation.

When Jesus is the revelation of God’s will who brings the will of God to fulfillment, is not submitting to the will of God past tense, Jesus fulfills the will of God in himself eternally in the will of God. This will which Jesus reveals in His Father is not the same Muslim submission and obedience to a past revelation.

Peace be with you

 

[WKW_69]

I experienced Muslims and Islam growing up near Dearborn, Michigan as a child. I learned that you can’t talk to Muslims about their beliefs or even question anything in the Quran. They would fly into a rage and threaten people that asked why the Quran was true.

 

[Trebor135]

I experienced Muslims and Islam growing up near Dearborn, Michigan as a child. I learned that you can’t talk to Muslims about their beliefs or even question anything in the Quran. They would fly into a rage and threaten people that asked why the Quran was true.

Did this occur with preteens and adolescents, or adults too?

 

[oldcatholicguy]

Friend. I didn’t say I was Muslim…I am a Friend…I would like to believe I am submissive to the Will of God, if I spoke Arabic I guess I’d say “I hope I am muslim”

I’ve not claimed Jesus was Muslim. If I spoke Arabic I would say He was “muslim” or " submissive to the Will of God".

I addressed you as “friend”, but I don’t think anyone believes I think you a Friend.

The term “Muslim” isn’t like the term “friend” in that it has two different definition based on how it is capitalized. The term “Muslim” has one definition regardless how it is capitalized or spelled (there are at least two correct ways to translate the word from Arabic which produces two different spellings). One is only a Muslim if one holds the Islamic faith to be true. To argue that the term “Muslim” is separate from the Islamic faith is to ignore the history of the term itself and to completely discount Islamic theology.

But, for the sake of argument, let’s assume your lower cased definition is valid. That would mean that it actually has nothing to do with this discussion or the billboards given that the billboard and the site of the organization that put it up all use “Muslim” and not “muslim” when claiming that Christ and the various prophets were one.