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Why does Europe, which also has sex education and free availability to birth control, have a lower out-of- wedlock birthrate? They also have much, much lower church attendance. I think there must be something more complex going on here than simply giving sex ed. in schools.
 
More abortions?
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bapcathluth:
Why does Europe, which also has sex education and free availability to birth control, have a lower out-of- wedlock birthrate? They also have much, much lower church attendance. I think there must be something more complex going on here than simply giving sex ed. in schools.
 
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bapcathluth:
Why does Europe, which also has sex education and free availability to birth control, have a lower out-of- wedlock birthrate? They also have much, much lower church attendance. I think there must be something more complex going on here than simply giving sex ed. in schools.
It seems that a factor would be lower fertility rates…some due to health reasons & others economic. ALso if you look it seems that less developed countries have MASSIVE birth rates…so the question…why such extremes between developed and undeveloped countries?
**Chart of Birth rates:: **cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2054rank.html.
 
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bapcathluth:
Why does Europe, which also has sex education and free availability to birth control, have a lower out-of- wedlock birthrate? They also have much, much lower church attendance. I think there must be something more complex going on here than simply giving sex ed. in schools.
My guess would be more abortions. (in Europe) With abortions there is no birth, so no rise in the birth rate.
 
Thats why alot of those countries in the EU are dying out ( theres another word for it… can’t remember it right now ) … not enough births to sustain the population.
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kaymart:
My guess would be more abortions. (in Europe) With abortions there is no birth, so no rise in the birth rate.
 
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deb1:
I am glad that this is no longer the case. How much pain this cause for both the child and mother, I can’t even begin to imagine.
By the way Leonardo de Vinci was illegitimate.
Quite right to. If some care to look at history many great men and women were illegitimate and, if you think about it, by our modern standards Jesus may not have been born out of wedlock but he was certainly concieved that way. Now there’s a though to ponder on!! Ever had the feeling he is trying to tell us something?
 
Actually, abortion rates in Europe are lower than in the US. In Germany abortion rates are 15% while here they have been between 24-30%. This is true throughout Europe.
 
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walstan:
Quite right to. If some care to look at history many great men and women were illegitimate and, if you think about it, by our modern standards Jesus may not have been born out of wedlock but he was certainly concieved that way. Now there’s a though to ponder on!! Ever had the feeling he is trying to tell us something?
But using Gods standard, there is no such thing a an “illegitimate” child.
 
One problem about men not taking more blame, is that when abortion is made a woman’s choice, and a woman’s right. It makes it for a lot of men an issue they shouldn’t deal with. If one thinks that, it’s not a man’s right to have a say, that takes away a mans duty, for if you do not have a right, you do not have a duty. A man thinking that way could very much rationalize it as it was her choice, she kept it, if I had my say I could have told her to abort it. A man that thinks that will then also bring that mindset when talking to other men, making that more acceptable.

WIth that just look at some of the distain men are treated with when they say they do not believe in abortion. They will often get accused of trying to control a woman’s body. If a man is on the fence on it, thats going to make a man want to agree with the abortionists. They don’t look bad and they don’t need to take the responsibility.
 
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deb1:
I am glad that this is no longer the case. How much pain this cause for both the child and mother, I can’t even begin to imagine.
By the way Leonardo de Vinci was illegitimate.
I suppose one might argue, so was Jesus. But that isn’t the point. Our behavior in a well ordered society ought to bring either “shame” or “honor”. The child however he/she is born receives neither but the parent deserves one or the other. Which is it? Which should a person receive for getting married, being faithful in marriage, and then having children?

Dan L
 
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Jay74:
It’s sad, but it seems the illegitimacy rate seems to increase with the level of spending on social programs intended to help.
Are you trying to say that the availability of social programs makes people seek to have children out of wedlock? If you are, I would disagree with you. I highly doubt these women are planning these pregnancies.

The availability of programs that support unwed mothers will hopefully give them the opportunity to choose life when they find themselves in an unplanned pregnancy! They need help so that abortion does not seem like their only “choice.”
 
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Sunniva:
You talk about the unmarried girls who get pregnant. What about the men who impregnate them? Why is it only the girls who have to take all the blame?
The men who impregnate them are also responsible. But the fact is, they can and do walk away. The main thing is, at some point around 1965 or thereabouts, women quit saying “no.”
 
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GregoryPalamas:
I suppose one might argue, so was Jesus. But that isn’t the point. Our behavior in a well ordered society ought to bring either “shame” or “honor”. The child however he/she is born receives neither but the parent deserves one or the other. Which is it? Which should a person receive for getting married, being faithful in marriage, and then having children?

Dan L
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                         In his beautiful Apostolic Exhortation on St. Joseph,                             *Guardian of the Redeemer* (nos. 2, 18), Pope John Paul II has repeatedly reaffirmed (in conformity to Catholic Tradition) that it was "after her marriage to Joseph that Mary is found to be with child of the Holy Spirit.[credo.stormloader.com/Letters/mbvirgin.htm](http://credo.stormloader.com/Letters/mbvirgin.htm)
A little earlier the Gospel writer had stated that at the moment of the Annunciation, Mary was “betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David.” The nature of this “marriage” is explained indirectly when Mary, after hearing what the messenger says about the birth of the child, asks, "How can this be, since I do not know man ? " (Lk 1:34) The angel responds: “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God” (Lk 1:35). Although Mary is already “wedded” to Joseph, she will remain a virgin, because the child conceived in her at the Annunciation was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit.catholic-forum.com/saints/stj01003.htm
Mary was not an unwed mother.
 
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ElizabethAnne:
Are you trying to say that the availability of social programs makes people seek to have children out of wedlock? If you are, I would disagree with you. I highly doubt these women are planning these pregnancies.
I’m not trying to imply they do it on purpose. But I do believe sincerely that when consequences are lessened or removed, people are less careful.
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ElizabethAnne:
The availability of programs that support unwed mothers will hopefully give them the opportunity to choose life when they find themselves in an unplanned pregnancy! They need help so that abortion does not seem like their only “choice.”
The absence of social programs may also 1) encourage them to be more careful, and 2) consider giving up a child for adoption if they cannot afford to raise it, which is a beautiful choice for the child.

As for the absense of social programs contributing to choosing abortion instead of life, that would be a problem with abortion being legal, not a problem with a lack of socialism.

My heart goes out to children born into poor situations. What I’m trying to say is that we need to think outside the box of what our intentions are, which are clearly noble, and think about what the results are over the long haul. Results matter so much more than intentions, and I think some of the good intentioned programs have backfired.

Blessings.
 
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Sirach14:
This dosen’t surprise me at all.
When I was growing up in the 50’s this was a disgrace and a SIN.
If a girl got pregnant out of wedlock she was shipped out of town to hide the disgrace, which was a total embarrassment to her parents.
I work with half a dozen girls who have young children out of wedlock. They seem to be proud of the fact that they didn’t follow what society considers wrong, or a “sin”
I love it when the Grand Parents bring the child into the work place to show the child off. I feel like running up to them and saying: “Thats not your grandchild;-- your daughter is not married.” I guess being that intolerant is also a sin on my part.
Many of these unwed girls with babies that I know could have taken the easy way out and had an abortion. But they said no to abortion.

breitbart.com/news/2005/10/28/D8DH6FRO3.html
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I have been thinking about this thread a lot. It makes me understand my “non-personhood” in my mothers extended family. IMHO this makes for a lot of sad children and adults. We just don’t understand what WE did to be considered as a “non person” and not related to those that our 1/2 siblings are. Same mother, same “grandparents” just not considered family. But, then again I don’t think these people would welcome an adopted child into the family completely.
It makes me understand why many people choose the “evil” of abortion. So I will pray that all children are accepted by people just as God accepts us.

God Bless
 
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ElizabethAnne:
Are you trying to say that the availability of social programs makes people seek to have children out of wedlock? If you are, I would disagree with you. I highly doubt these women are planning these pregnancies.

The availability of programs that support unwed mothers will hopefully give them the opportunity to choose life when they find themselves in an unplanned pregnancy! They need help so that abortion does not seem like their only “choice.”
I disagree. I’ve counsoled many young people. Many young women want to become pregnant and are active participants in becoming pregnant. I’ve run across this often enough to know that most out of wedlock pregnancies are not accidents.

Dan L
 
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GregoryPalamas:
I’ve counsoled many young people. Many young women want to become pregnant and are active participants in becoming pregnant. I’ve run across this often enough to know that most out of wedlock pregnancies are not accidents.
Children are beloved of God no matter the circumstances of their conception or birth; and none should ever be considered “non-persons” and KathleenElsie pointed out that this is exactly what the social stigma can make them feel.

But what you have noted as “planned” out of wedlock pregnancies also puzzles me. Why would a woman plan for her child not to have a father?
 
one of, or the number one reason for poverty in this country is unwed mothers. a political party that does not promote abstinance and the importance of a 2 parent family does not have the interest of its citizens at heart.
 
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ElizabethAnne:
Are you trying to say that the availability of social programs makes people seek to have children out of wedlock? If you are, I would disagree with you. I highly doubt these women are planning these pregnancies.

The availability of programs that support unwed mothers will hopefully give them the opportunity to choose life when they find themselves in an unplanned pregnancy! They need help so that abortion does not seem like their only “choice.”
The girl who used a poor judgement, became pregnant once and is trying to do the best out a bad situation, she and her child deserves help. We should not turn our back on them. But the “repeat offenders” YES, years ago, when I was a teenager in the early 70’s, There was a neighborlady who knew how to “beat the system” If a woman had pre-school children she was not “forced” to get a job, (back then) she carefully became pregnant every 3 years, she had 5 children (different daddies for 3 of them) and then when she was done with kids by the mid 80’s she had her tubes tied courtesy of your tax dollars. Worked for about 4 months as a nurses aide, hurt her back:rolleyes: and has been on disability. Oldest daughter repeated the cycle, pregnant at 16. They moved away by 1988 so have no clue what she’s doing now but I can almost be certain you are paying for it.:hmmm:
 
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