Births to unmarried U.S. women set record

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kaymart:
The girl who used a poor judgement, became pregnant once and is trying to do the best out a bad situation, she and her child deserves help. We should not turn our back on them. But the “repeat offenders” YES, years ago, when I was a teenager in the early 70’s, There was a neighborlady who knew how to “beat the system” If a woman had pre-school children she was not “forced” to get a job, (back then) she carefully became pregnant every 3 years, she had 5 children (different daddies for 3 of them) and then when she was done with kids by the mid 80’s she had her tubes tied courtesy of your tax dollars. Worked for about 4 months as a nurses aide, hurt her back:rolleyes: and has been on disability. Oldest daughter repeated the cycle, pregnant at 16. They moved away by 1988 so have no clue what she’s doing now but I can almost be certain you are paying for it.:hmmm:
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Kaymart,

I’ve seen this pattern repeated hundreds of times. Again, teach what brings shame and what brings honor. Use shaming and honoring liberally and our society will be much better off for it.

Dan L
 
My dad owned low income apartment houses, with many women on welfare. I remember one of the women down there told my dad her 12 yr old daughter couldn’t wait to start having babies and getting her own money! I was about the same age at the time and was HORRIFIED! But, I think you tend to mimic your environment, and the morals you were raised with. Many women there got pregnant so they could recieve welfare,etc, this girl’s mom included (she had 5 kids)

It is a two edge sword- my sister’s dh left her with 3 kids, and is totally deadbeat- she is constantly fighting to get him to pay his child support at all! And the courts are so overwhelmned, they end up letting him get out of about 2 payments at a time. She would be sunk without food stamps, section 8 housing, etc.

Everyone in this situation needs the help, but they and their kids also need to be EDUCATED TO THINK DIFFERENTLY- so they don’t continue, and pass this on to their children.
 
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Siena:
My dad owned low income apartment houses, with many women on welfare. I remember one of the women down there told my dad her 12 yr old daughter couldn’t wait to start having babies and getting her own money! I was about the same age at the time and was HORRIFIED! But, I think you tend to mimic your environment, and the morals you were raised with. Many women there got pregnant so they could recieve welfare,etc, this girl’s mom included (she had 5 kids)

It is a two edge sword- my sister’s dh left her with 3 kids, and is totally deadbeat- she is constantly fighting to get him to pay his child support at all! And the courts are so overwhelmned, they end up letting him get out of about 2 payments at a time. She would be sunk without food stamps, section 8 housing, etc.

Everyone in this situation needs the help, but they and their kids also need to be EDUCATED TO THINK DIFFERENTLY- so they don’t continue, and pass this on to their children.
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This is what’s wrong with liberals and their way of thinking, people like your sister or the girl who made a bad judgement call and other women widowed, trying to get their lives together to be self-suffient get lumped together with the “Generational Welfare Group” Grandma age 45, mom age 30 and daughter age 15 all still having babies on purpose to get their “own” money, without ever getting married. This is not what it was orginally intended for but that’s what it has become.
 
Please tell me this is a joke, otherwise it is the most ignorant thing i have seen in a while.
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GregoryPalamas:
Because that is the way it is. There is no effective way to make what is any different than what is.

Women have the privilege of being in themselves the archetype of the human race. Men have the privilege of protecting them. Women have the responsibility to choose quality men and enslave them for their own purposes. Men have the responsibility of dying.

So who has the tougher job?

All women have to do is select worthy men. Men, in turn, die for them.

If women won’t take this responsibility there will be men who won’t take theirs.

That just the way it is. It isn’t political. It is metaphysical.

Dan L
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ElizabethAnne:
Are you trying to say that the availability of social programs makes people seek to have children out of wedlock? If you are, I would disagree with you. I highly doubt these women are planning these pregnancies.

The availability of programs that support unwed mothers will hopefully give them the opportunity to choose life when they find themselves in an unplanned pregnancy! They need help so that abortion does not seem like their only “choice.”
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Unfortunately, the presence of social programs does encourage the type of behavior we are discussing. Many young girls do choose to have children, and still more choose to take risks by not using any form of birth control, which is essentially the same as choosing to have children. If a young girl knows that she’ll get a check from the government along with a home, she is more likely to get pregnant and less likely to give that baby up for adoption. And the more babies she has, the more money she’ll get. It seems easier to pull a check from the government, get food stamps, medicaid, etc., than to get a job, pay daycare, commute, and deal with all of that. They may make the same amount of money once they are done paying daycare, transportation costs, employment costs like uniforms and lunches than they were making on Welfare.
 
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JimG:
Children are beloved of God no matter the circumstances of their conception or birth; and none should ever be considered “non-persons” and KathleenElsie pointed out that this is exactly what the social stigma can make them feel.

But what you have noted as “planned” out of wedlock pregnancies also puzzles me. Why would a woman plan for her child not to have a father?
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Many of these young girls come from communities where fathers are virtually non-existant. They didn’t have a father who was present, and neither do their friends. It’s part of many inner city cultures, especially in the black communities.
 
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JimG:
But what you have noted as “planned” out of wedlock pregnancies also puzzles me. Why would a woman plan for her child not to have a father?
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While it may not be a “plan” to not have a father, this does happen. Many young girls are searching to fill some void in their lives - much like many of us - and unfortunately they get the idea in their head that a baby will fill that exact void. The reasons for this are countless, some come from broken, unhappy homes and are starved for love and so they think if they have a baby, they will at least have one person who loves them.

There is also the “entrapment” pregnancies where women get pregnant on purpose in hopes that they can trap their boyfriend/lover into marrying them, or at least staying with them.

Sad but true, these things do happen.
 
Statistics, statistics. The conclusion is always suspect. As population goes up, we will be setting records all the time. It just means there are more people, so there are more births, unwed and wed.

Note the same article says:

"_The total birth rate was 14.0 per 1,000 women, down from 14.1 in 2003.

_The birth rate for women aged 15 to 19 was 41.2 per 1,000, down from 41.6 in 2003 and a record low. The teen birth rate was 61.8 in 1991 and has been declining since. "
 
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TarAshly:
Please tell me this is a joke, otherwise it is the most ignorant thing i have seen in a while.
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Then you must think Pope John Paul II the most ignorant person who ever lived.

DanL
 
vern humphrey:
Birth control was supposed to prevent out-of-wedlock births. So we made it freely available to everyone, and out-of-wedlock births went up.

Sex education was supposed to prevent out-of-wedlock births. So we have sex education in every public school, and out-of-wedlock births went up.

Abortion on demand was supposed to prevent out-of-wedlock births. So the Supreme Court made it freely available to everyone, and out-of-wedlock births went up.

I’m beginning to think out-of-wedlock births aren’t due to lack of birth control, or lack of sex education, or lack of abortion, but to sin.http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon12.gif
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Women’s liberation liberated them right into poverty.
 
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buffalo:
Women’s liberation liberated them right into poverty.
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A true and powerful statement, and let me add as a woman who came of age in the 70’s Women’s Liberation has been the downfall of family and of morals in this world.
 
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Jay74:
I can see the problem. I just don’t know what the solutions are. It seems heartless to cut off help today, but it seems suicidal to continue to provide incentive that increase the problems tomorrow.

All I know to do is pray.
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For a glimpse at the solution I recommend Rick Santorum’s It Takes a Family. He shows how reforms to the social support structure in the last decade have started to change this type of result.
 
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Sirach14:
This dosen’t surprise me at all.
When I was growing up in the 50’s this was a disgrace and a SIN.
If a girl got pregnant out of wedlock she was shipped out of town to hide the disgrace, which was a total embarrassment to her parents.
I work with half a dozen girls who have young children out of wedlock. They seem to be proud of the fact that they didn’t follow what society considers wrong, or a “sin”
I love it when the Grand Parents bring the child into the work place to show the child off. I feel like running up to them and saying: “Thats not your grandchild;-- your daughter is not married.” I guess being that intolerant is also a sin on my part.
Many of these unwed girls with babies that I know could have taken the easy way out and had an abortion. But they said no to abortion.

AJC Comment: Are any Catholics actually surprised by this fact?

About 15 years ago in our small, mostly white, middle class parish the Pastor ntoed that in any given year 25 to 35% of the Baptisms were to children of unwed mothers. He then gently suggested that the parents and grandparents speak to these children. Well, that poor priest had hell to pay for saying the truth.

You see, Catholics act no differently then the population in general, when it comes to abortion, out of wedlock births, divorce, etc. I think a lot of this stems from two things: 1) Poor Church teaching about consequences,; and the ever popular 2) “Jesus loves you just the way you are.” theology that prevails in most dioceses today. The latter always begs the question, “Then Why did Christ go to the cross?”

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AJC Comment: Are any Catholics actually surprised by this fact?
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About 15 years ago in our small, mostly white, middle class parish the Pastor ntoed that in any given year 25 to 35% of the Baptisms were to children of unwed mothers. He then gently suggested that the parents and grandparents speak to these children. Well, that poor priest had hell to pay for saying the truth.

You see, Catholics act no differently then the population in general, when it comes to abortion, out of wedlock births, divorce, etc. I think a lot of this stems from two things: 1) Poor Church teaching about consequences,; and the ever popular 2) “Jesus loves you just the way you are.” theology that prevails in most dioceses today. The latter always begs the question, “Then Why did Christ go to the cross?”

Thank you for mentioning this.

A big part of these issues is that the moral component is seldom talked about for the reasons you cite.
 
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GregoryPalamas:
Then you must think Pope John Paul II the most ignorant person who ever lived.

DanL
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Quite the contrary, i believe Pope John Paul the Second to be one of the greatest men who ever lived. you on the other hand…well lets just say i think youre twisting his words.
 
From reading this information, it sounds as though it’s all about either relieving men from responsibility, or making women feel better about themselves. Never about what’s good for the children.
 
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TarAshly:
Quite the contrary, i believe Pope John Paul the Second to be one of the greatest men who ever lived. you on the other hand…well lets just say i think youre twisting his words.
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Then, of course, you must begin a study of his seminal work on the Theology of the Body. Until you do, I would ask you a couple of favors. First, read Ephesians 5 and Second, please, keep your insults to yourself. I didn’t insult you. I don’t expect to be insulted.

Dan L
 
No one was insulting you, i just think you are twisting his words. sorry if you took it wrong.
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GregoryPalamas:
Then, of course, you must begin a study of his seminal work on the Theology of the Body. Until you do, I would ask you a couple of favors. First, read Ephesians 5 and Second, please, keep your insults to yourself. I didn’t insult you. I don’t expect to be insulted.

Dan L
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MooCowSteph:
Many of these young girls come from communities where fathers are virtually non-existant. They didn’t have a father who was present, and neither do their friends. It’s part of many inner city cultures, especially in the black communities.
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Yep, it does happen alot. But not just “especially in the black communities”. It happens “especially” in the white and hispanic communities as well. It depends on who is telling the story and who is manipulating the stats.

The mentality here is “damned if you do, and damned if you don’t.” No wonder so many women choose abortion as the quiet way out.
 
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