Births to unmarried U.S. women set record

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rayne89:
What?! :mad: Whether the mother in married or not does not effect whether the mother’s parents would be grandparents to the child. Where on earth did you did you come up with* that? *

You need to start wroking on that log in your own eye before begin pointing out the sins of others. I find your comment mean and judgemental -not to mention false.

While it’s tagic that so many women are raising children out of wedlock these days. At least they didn’t kill them in the womb.

My husband was conceived out of wedlock, my bestfriend was concieved out of wedlock (and raised by her grandmother) and my bestfriend’s daughter was conceived out of wedlock. These are all amazing wonderful people that would never be here if their mothers’ had chosen abortion.
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I was speaking out of anger. I WAS WRONG
 
Women look for love, men look for sex. Men usually get what they are looking for, and the women does not.
 
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rayne89:
What?! :mad: Whether the mother in married or not does not effect whether the mother’s parents would be grandparents to the child. Where on earth did you did you come up with* that? *

You need to start wroking on that log in your own eye before begin pointing out the sins of others. I find your comment mean and judgemental -not to mention false.

While it’s tagic that so many women are raising children out of wedlock these days. At least they didn’t kill them in the womb.

My husband was conceived out of wedlock, my bestfriend was concieved out of wedlock (and raised by her grandmother) and my bestfriend’s daughter was conceived out of wedlock. These are all amazing wonderful people that would never be here if their mothers’ had chosen abortion.
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My co-worker has four children by four different married men. Amazing isn’t it. Father’s day must be hillarious.
 
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Sirach14:
My co-worker has four children by four different married men. Amazing isn’t it. Father’s day must be hillarious.
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I have the same thing more or less around the block from me, Ok here’s the situation 4 kids–father(not married) of child # 3 and # 4 goes to jail (drugs) 3 weeks later Never-married-Mother carted off to jail–(drugs too)—Father of child # 1 comes to take care of child 1,2,3 and 4 (never seen # 2’s father)—Father # 1 has loud party, place is raided he goes to jail too. Children now in care of DYFS. Lovely Family:rolleyes:
 
smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/15/15_2_129.gifAny woman who refuses to kill her unborn child has hope alive in her. We all need to help and protect the life Our Lord has chosen in His Creation. Simple, right? Right!

There are lots of hard parts that go along with this acceptance of what is Right. All the difficulties can be overcome through Our Lord’s assistance that works in all who ask.

My assessment of the current state of human behavior is this:
Women have failed - BIG TIME! Women have again led the men to fail by destroying the respect, responsibility, protection, commitment, and sacrificial love of family through their selfish vanity and sexual wasting. The betrayal of women toward women began in the 1960s and spread as a plague. Talk about a
“Pandemic”!

The women are first in the who’s at fault act and have done very little to undo the damage as evidenced by their worsening examples of behavior to women under their influence. Men have shared and furthered the degradation of women and family, but the women have not stepped up to the actions needed to repair this dismal condition of our time. Women picked the birth control pill off the tree and chose to disregard their willpower; it started with pillpower and rolled to hell. Witness the destruction
of Good in human behaviors through promiscuity, pornography, addictions, and abortions. Anybody want to say “Not so”?

Women have failed women, and only when the numbers of good women overcome the evil influences of those who have perpetuated these conditions, will we see restoration of families that are strong and God Living.

Men need to reject all attraction to women who offer themselves wrapped in such disgusting behaviors. The rejection of the offer requires their exercise of willpower and their efforts to eliminate the behavior.

An old saying holds some great thought to ponder:
“The hand that rocks the cradle, rules the world”.
 
grotto said:
smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/15/15_2_129.gifAny woman who refuses to kill her unborn child has hope alive in her. We all need to help and protect the life Our Lord has chosen in His Creation. Simple, right? Right!".
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** RIGHT!!!**
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grotto:
My assessment of the current state of human behavior is this:
Women have failed - BIG TIME! Women have again led the men to fail by destroying the respect, responsibility, protection, commitment, and sacrificial love of family through their selfish vanity and sexual wasting. The betrayal of women toward women began in the 1960s and spread as a plague. Talk about a
“Pandemic”!!
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So you blame this all on woman…where are these "strong-faithful"men that follow church teaching…should they of not known better than to stray from the Church??? I think men are equally to blame…if they stopped having sex outside of marriage this would be a non-issue…but since they (most) can not wait till marriage to have sex we have this issue!
 
Karin said:
** RIGHT!!!**

So you blame this all on woman…where are these "strong-faithful"men that follow church teaching…should they of not known better than to stray from the Church??? I think men are equally to blame…if they stopped having sex outside of marriage this would be a non-issue…but since they (most) can not wait till marriage to have sex we have this issue!
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Karin,

Of course you are right in a political sense. But what difference does it make. Teach men and women how to be men and women. If men refuse to listen they go to hell and they cause havoc in society. If women refuse to listen they have babies. That is still just the way it is. Why complain? You may as well complain that water is wet.

CDL
 
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GregoryPalamas:
Karin,

Of course you are right in a political sense. But what difference does it make. Teach men and women how to be men and women. If men refuse to listen they go to hell and they cause havoc in society. If women refuse to listen they have babies. That is still just the way it is. Why complain? You may as well complain that water is wet.

CDL
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It makes no difference unless you hold views like the person I was responding to …their view…it is ALL A WOMANS FAULT!
I agree teach both sexes the proper things…but do not blame all woman for this problem!
 
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Karin:
It makes no difference unless you hold views like the person I was responding to …their view…it is ALL A WOMANS FAULT!
I agree teach both sexes the proper things…but do not blame all woman for this problem!
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Karin,

Blame only those women who spread their legs and only those men who force themselves upon women. I didn’t notice that someone had blamed “all women” for any problem. Did someone actually do that?

CDL
 
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GregoryPalamas:
Karin,

Blame only those women who spread their legs and only those men who force themselves upon women. I didn’t notice that someone had blamed “all women” for any problem. Did someone actually do that?

CDL
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I do blame those woman and I do blame the men that can not keep their pants on!
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grotto:
My assessment of the current state of human behavior is this:
Women have failed - BIG TIME! Women have again led the men to fail by destroying the respect, responsibility, protection, commitment, and sacrificial love of family through their selfish vanity and sexual wasting. The betrayal of women toward women began in the 1960s and spread as a plague. Talk about a
“Pandemic”!!
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I take to mean it is the womans fault (what this person wrote).
 
It all boils down to this: On the tv, in our churches, the parents, the grand-parents, and magazines have all contributed to the situation. Young people hop in bed quicker than we used to hold hands years ago, and think nothing of it. Everybody is telling that it is OK. The work “sin” has been erased from our language. Sex has been elevated to the status of a god. I don’t think anything is going to change soon. It’s just a sign of a society going down the drain.
 
If the problem is children born out of wedlock then women must take the lion’s share of the blame. That is the consequence for promiscuity for women. Men do not have to take this responsibility because we don’t carry children in our bodies. Stupid evil wreckless men combining with foolish evil wreckless women produce havoc. For the wreckless men the havoc is often produced by the courts and will eventuate in hell lest they repent. For wreckless women the havoc comes by way of babies that they cannot afford or murder.

Many women have fallen for the notion that promiscuity is a proper way of life. The consequence for falling for this lie is babies. Many men have fallen for the same lie. Their consequence is not babies but lawsuits and hell. There are tons of good and noble men and women in the world but one cannot claim nobility and promiscuity at the same time.

Arguing that wreckless men would not be wreckless if their consequence was babies is not realistic. That consequence belongs to women. That is the way we are made. If you can think of a way to force men to carry babies in their womb then give it a go.

Dan L
 
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GregoryPalamas:
If the problem is children born out of wedlock then women must take the lion’s share of the blame. That is the consequence for promiscuity for women. Men do not have to take this responsibility because we don’t carry children in our bodies. Stupid evil wreckless men combining with foolish evil wreckless women produce havoc. For the wreckless men the havoc is often produced by the courts and will eventuate in hell lest they repent. For wreckless women the havoc comes by way of babies that they cannot afford or murder.

Many women have fallen for the notion that promiscuity is a proper way of life. The consequence for falling for this lie is babies. Many men have fallen for the same lie. Their consequence is not babies but lawsuits and hell. There are tons of good and noble men and women in the world but one cannot claim nobility and promiscuity at the same time.

Arguing that wreckless men would not be wreckless if their consequence was babies is not realistic. That consequence belongs to women. That is the way we are made. If you can think of a way to force men to carry babies in their womb then give it a go.

Dan L
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Ah so it is all a womans fault:confused: ? What happened to those “Catholic men” that would never go against Church teaching to sleep out of wedlock with a woman? IT seems that blame can be spread all around…to the woman that can not keep their legs closed and to the men that can not keep their pants on!
Also if these same good men that got these gals pregnant would step up to the bat and marry these woman that they knock up perhaps things would not be as bad as they are…It is not fair to blame on sex for a SIN that REQUIRES TWO!..Both can make the matter/situation right!
 
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buffalo:
You missed this:

If civil divorce remains the only possible way of ensuring certain legal rights, the care of the children, or the protection of inheritance, it can be tolerated and does not constitute a moral offense.
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Ah, but the Church recognizes that even divorce for a legitimate reason does not dissolve the marriage, which (or at least so it seems to me when I read internet discussions) is often forgotten… So once divorced, one cannot marry again because one is still married and the divorce really means nothing, it is simply a legal tool to keep an offender away or whatever the legit reason was. (And honestly, there is also too much abuse of annullments, but I digress.)

Anyway, it seems to me that the thread is getting a bit off-topic… But what do I know? And now I’ll just return to my priviledged position of lurking… 😉
 
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Karin:
Ah so it is all a womans fault:confused: ? What happened to those “Catholic men” that would never go against Church teaching to sleep out of wedlock with a woman? IT seems that blame can be spread all around…to the woman that can not keep their legs closed and to the men that can not keep their pants on!
Also if these same good men that got these gals pregnant would step up to the bat and marry these woman that they knock up perhaps things would not be as bad as they are…It is not fair to blame on sex for a SIN that REQUIRES TWO!..Both can make the matter/situation right!
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Karin,

I believe you are missing the point. Nevertheless, let us pray for godly men and women.

Dan L
 
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GregoryPalamas:
Arguing that wreckless men would not be wreckless if their consequence was babies is not realistic. That consequence belongs to women. That is the way we are made. If you can think of a way to force men to carry babies in their womb then give it a go.Dan L
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Dan, you have just summed up the pro-choice women’s argument for abortion (PLEASE NOTE THAT I AM PRO-LIFE). That men shouldn’t decide because they do not carry the child, that men can run away but that women have to limit their activity - sometimes including work (the $ from which they need to survice) due to health reasons/complications for at least 9 months, that they are responsible for the cost of prenatal care and delivery, that they are the ones who suffer if the pregnancy causes them permanent or long term physical complications.
 
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Karin:
Ah so it is all a womans fault:confused: ? What happened to those “Catholic men” that would never go against Church teaching to sleep out of wedlock with a woman? IT seems that blame can be spread all around…to the woman that can not keep their legs closed and to the men that can not keep their pants on!
Also if these same good men that got these gals pregnant would step up to the bat and marry these woman that they knock up perhaps things would not be as bad as they are…It is not fair to blame on sex for a SIN that REQUIRES TWO!..Both can make the matter/situation right!
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Thank you, Karin. I have never heard of a woman who managed to get pregnant all by herself.
 
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koda:
Thank you, Karin. I have never heard of a woman who managed to get pregnant all by herself.
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What difference does this possibly make? Whine if you must, but what good will it do anyone. Stay away from men who wish to have intercourse with you prior to marriage. Men may or may not have to pay in this life for their indiscretions. There’s nothing that can be done to change that reality. You can sue them. You can take them to court. You can cut off their appendages if you wish, but they still will not carry any babies in their womb. I don’t get how this gives women any advantage.

Men can encourage women not to murder their babies. They can encourage women to murder their babies.

The consequence for men for pushing themselves upon women is either court cases from which many men can and do escape or hell, from which they cannot escape, lest they repent. That’s it. They cannot be forced to take responsibility for the baby if they don’t wish to take that responsibility. It has nothing to do with the law. It has everything to do with biology.

The consequence women must carry is different. Either they carry the baby to term and find a way to take care of him or her or they will choose to murder the baby. That’s it. That’s the way it works.

If men are righteous they will not have intercourse with any woman to whom they are not married and they will protect that woman and their children.

If women are righteous they will do all in their power to select righteous men and will keep themselves chaste until marriage.

What are some of you all arguing about? What’s the point of whining about men’s responsibility for children if it has no practical value to so whine?

Dan L
 
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koda:
Dan, you have just summed up the pro-choice women’s argument for abortion (PLEASE NOTE THAT I AM PRO-LIFE). That men shouldn’t decide because they do not carry the child, that men can run away but that women have to limit their activity - sometimes including work (the $ from which they need to survice) due to health reasons/complications for at least 9 months, that they are responsible for the cost of prenatal care and delivery, that they are the ones who suffer if the pregnancy causes them permanent or long term physical complications.
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But now if I am a prolife man, then I am accused of trying to make that woman my property. Thats the crazy thing I see about the pro-abortion arguement. For the women that ask for it, what they really get is men that flee from responsibility. On first thought that sounds good for men, but really its probably more of a grace for the woman that she is able to have a baby. I think your less likely to throw away your life if you must care for another. I’ve heard countless times from women who thought their baby was God’s way of calling them back, for men they don’t have this.

Freedom is only good if it is freedom for something. These men who want freedom from the binding of a family, tend to waste it on nothing of much worthiness.
 
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