Births to unmarried U.S. women set record

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Karin - please read my post again - I do not maintain that only women are to blame - one fact I do emphasize is that women “changed” much of their actions after allowing themselves to rely on the birth control pill, etc., etc. That single choice and all its ramifications to come need to be realized by women or they will continue to fool themselves and delay any chance of recovering their sanctity and will instead, perpetuate the degradation. Women need to lead and influence the women that follow to put an end to all this.
My message is to women - FIX IT!
 
Koda - If an act that requires two, male and female, and the female refuses to engage in the action, the result will not occur, right? Its got to start somewhere and that getting started belongs to the woman. Mothers, daughters, sisters, re-learn and teach! Men will follow.

Correcting all this is not beyond women - it begins in wanting to live God’s way and asking His help.
 
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grotto:
Koda - If an act that requires two, male and female, and the female refuses to engage in the action, the result will not occur, right? Its got to start somewhere and that getting started belongs to the woman. Mothers, daughters, sisters, re-learn and teach! Men will follow.

Correcting all this is not beyond women - it begins in wanting to live God’s way and asking His help.
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Nope if it takes two…than the man should be a Good Catholic and say no…not till we are married!
Plain and simple…you are attempting to blame woman for not saying no…when the same applies to men! **Or are you saying that a man can not say no? **
 
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Karin:
Nope if it takes two…than the man should be a Good Catholic and say no…not till we are married!
Plain and simple…you are attempting to blame woman for not saying no…when the same applies to men! **Or are you saying that a man can not say no? **
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Good Catholics, men and women, will always say no or will gladly take the responsibility for their actions. So, the issue is not relevant. Wreckless men and women will often say “yes”. Men will, by definition, not have to pay any price. “Should” is not in the vocabulary of wreckless people. No matter what anyone says or does wreckless men will never have to carry babies. It is fruitless to insist that they should.

DanL
 
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GregoryPalamas:
Good Catholics, men and women, will always say no or will gladly take the responsibility for their actions. So, the issue is not relevant. Wreckless men and women will often say “yes”. Men will, by definition, not have to pay any price. “Should” is not in the vocabulary of wreckless people. No matter what anyone says or does wreckless men will never have to carry babies. It is fruitless to insist that they should.

DanL
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Ok so lets talk about these reckless men and woman…why is it all the womans job to fix this issue?? It is not an issue of getting pregnant yes woman are the ones that carry a child for 9 months but who got them pregnant…MEN? So perhaps these reckless men should learn to control their reckless body parts?!
 
I really think what GP and Grotto are trying to say both men and women are wrong in the game of sex. Unfortunately the woman has to suffer through the 9 months of pregnancy and the man can (not that he should) walk away. A woman can not walk away. The baby is still with her. She could (again not that she ever should do such a thing) abort the child but she still has to go through with that too. Women would be better off if they step back and take a look at these types of men who only want them for one thing and run! Same with a decent man should stay away from the type of woman that would bring him down. If people use the brains God gave them instead of lusting after one another, there would be less social problems in this world.
 
Kaymart - I wholeheartedly agree! Women need to take this re-beginning - women have been given the created gifts that “get the ball rolling”. The sinful acts of promiscuity carry tentacles that morph into worsening sinful acts.

A woman who begins by offering her sexuality without a loving and good man as husband, lays bare her vulnerability to the world. She may regret offering that sexuality but as God so created, she could have life within her. The woman will now be forced to go forward alone.

Does all this sound “old fashioned”? More importantly is it the simple truth? Do I need to change my thoughts to let woman off the hook? Sorry, NOT, if one seeks to pursuade me. Women need to step up to the mess that exists. No encouragement should be given to any woman who promotes otherwise.
 
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Kaymart - I wholeheartedly agree! Women need to take this re-beginning - women have been given the created gifts that “get the ball rolling”. The sinful acts of promiscuity carry tentacles that morph into worsening sinful acts.

A woman who begins by offering her sexuality without a loving and good man as husband, lays bare her vulnerability to the world. She may regret offering that sexuality but as God so created, she could have life within her. The woman will now be forced to go forward alone.

Does all this sound “old fashioned”? More importantly is it the simple truth? Do I need to change my thoughts to let woman off the hook? Sorry, NOT, if one seeks to pursuade me. Women need to step up to the mess that exists. No encouragement should be given to any woman who promotes otherwise.
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So men are weak and can not say no:confused: ? Not all woman instigate or lure men to their beds…sometimes it is the other way around.
So perhaps BOTH MEN & WOMAN need to learn to control their URGES outside of MARRIAGE!
And why is she forced to go it alone if she gets pregnant…why not hold men accountable and have them marry the woman that they get pregnant!
It seems to me that you want to blame all sin on woman and not on the men that also sin…please correct me if I am wrong…perhaps I am not understanding something here!
 
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Karin:
Ok so lets talk about these reckless men and woman…why is it all the womans job to fix this issue?? It is not an issue of getting pregnant yes woman are the ones that carry a child for 9 months but who got them pregnant…MEN? So perhaps these reckless men should learn to control their reckless body parts?!
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I give up. Believe what you wish about me or about men or about women or whatever. I will not respond again. Let your anger rule if you wish.

Dan L
 
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GregoryPalamas:
I give up. Believe what you wish about me or about men or about women or whatever. I will not respond again. Let your anger rule if you wish.

Dan L
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The only anger is when woman are blamed for something that they are not entirely at fault for, IMHO.
 
All these results were predicted by Pope Pius XII in Humanae Vitae. Before the widespread acceptance of contraception, neither men nor women wanted to risk pregnancy. Because the result was either a trip to the home for unwed mothers, or a shotgun marriage (which was not necessarily a bad thing.)

After the pill and the condom, women seemed to no longer have a reason to say no, so they quit saying no. And when abortion became legal, men could simply say, ‘look, it’s not my problem, you take care of it.’

Yes, it takes two to tango; but in practice, until a majority of women start saying no again, the problem will persist. That doesn’t mean it’s all the women’s fault. It just means that they have a greater ability and motive to turn it around.
 
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JimG:
All these results were predicted by Pope Pius XII in Humanae Vitae. Before the widespread acceptance of contraception, neither men nor women wanted to risk pregnancy. Because the result was either a trip to the home for unwed mothers, or a shotgun marriage (which was not necessarily a bad thing.)

After the pill and the condom, women seemed to no longer have a reason to say no, so they quit saying no. And when abortion became legal, men could simply say, ‘look, it’s not my problem, you take care of it.’

Yes, it takes two to tango; but in practice, until a majority of women start saying no again, the problem will persist. That doesn’t mean it’s all the women’s fault. It just means that they have a greater ability and motive to turn it around.
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I agree with you in stating that birth control had led to the current attitude toward casual sex, but if we don’t ALSO teach our sons to respect women, respect themselves, and be upstanding young men around women, the problem will not go away. I’m hoping my sons will follow in Jason Evert’s lead…
 
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MooCowSteph:
I agree with you in stating that birth control had led to the current attitude toward casual sex, but if we don’t ALSO teach our sons to respect women, respect themselves, and be upstanding young men around women, the problem will not go away. I’m hoping my sons will follow in Jason Evert’s lead…
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I agree with you; and I am not unhopeful for a turnaround. It may already have begun, judging by many good young people I know. Moms like you will be part of the solution.
 
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Karin:
So men are weak and can not say no:confused: ? Not all woman instigate or lure men to their beds…sometimes it is the other way around.
So perhaps BOTH MEN & WOMAN need to learn to control their URGES outside of MARRIAGE!
And why is she forced to go it alone if she gets pregnant…why not hold men accountable and have them marry the woman that they get pregnant!
It seems to me that you want to blame all sin on woman and not on the men that also sin…please correct me if I am wrong…perhaps I am not understanding something here!
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I agree with you, but the problem is how do you hold the man accountable? Its easy to hold the woman accountable, its built into the whole process of getting pregnant. The best way it seems to me to have men held accountable is to have the women hold off sex until there is a marriage.
 
Our society has low expectations of both men and women, and this needs to be changed.

For example, my boys have grown up in a society where there has been a concerted attempt to make males not necessary, in fact, to make their very maleness a bad thing in itself. If society tells men they are not necessary, just what are they supposed to be accountable for, exactly? The courts may make males financially support a child, but this is a poor substitute for teaching a man how to be a father.

And when girls are sexualized at an early age, when society seems to want their identity and attitudes to be based on sex, why would they resist, as they did historically, being sexually active outside marriage?

Society used to have norms because there was a set of shared values regarding sex, marriage and children which have been thrown away.
 
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oldfogey:
And when girls are sexualized at an early age, when society seems to want their identity and attitudes to be based on sex, why would they resist, as they did historically, being sexually active outside marriage?

Society used to have norms because there was a set of shared values regarding sex, marriage and children which have been thrown away.
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Ironically, the feminist movement claims to be to help women, but it seems their greatest achievement has been to allow immoral men to obtain easy sex without the price of marriage, courtship, or even respect for the woman. This “achievement” hasn’t really been to the benefit of women, and certainly not to the countless children born outside of marriage with no father, or a paycheck-only “father” (if he deserves to hold that title).

I wonder if Gloria Steinham or Marilyn Freedan were actually secret agents of the dreaded patriarchy, considering the most disrespectful, immoral, and promiscuous of men (the very creature they claim to most hold in contempt) have benefited most from their influence.

Sadly, children have benefited least.
 
Oldfogey and Jay,

I couldn’t agree more with your analysis. I pray that it is turning around but I still see evidence that some of the things the Church is doing is counterproductive. Faithful people must be ever diligent.

CDL
 
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jman507:
But now if I am a prolife man, then I am accused of trying to make that woman my property. Thats the crazy thing I see about the pro-abortion arguement.
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I think men have every right to fight for the life of their child. I would love to know if there has ever been a court case in this regard. Does anyone here know of one?
 
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jman507:
The best way it seems to me to have men held accountable is to have the women hold off sex until there is a marriage.
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As Grandpa used to say, “What a concept!”
 
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