Bishop Athanasius Schneider: ‘We are in the fourth great crisis of the Church’

[JimR-OCDS]

I was feeling so good this morning until I read this, and now I’m depressed.

Unfortunately, the Catholic Church has more people to help make you feel depressed about being Catholic, than joyous about salvation through Jesus Christ.

Jim

 

[ProVobis]

Unfortunately, the Catholic Church has more people to help make you feel depressed about being Catholic, than joyous about salvation through Jesus Christ.

Jim

The only thing I can say is that perhaps God called us to higher standards. Remember the parable about the Workers in the Vineyard. The first were the most depressed.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

The only thing I can say is that perhaps God called us to higher standards. Remember the parable about the Workers in the Vineyard. The first were the most depressed.

Jesus told the Apostles to go and preach to all nations, “the Good News,” not despair.

Also, we Catholics aren’t called to any higher standard than other human beings. We’re not above them, but brothers and sisters.

Jim

 

[ProVobis]

Jesus told the Apostles to go and preach to all nations, “the Good News,” not despair.

The Apostles themselves despaired during and after the Crucifixion. But despair should not be the end product.

 

[Seraphignatius]

Jesus told the Apostles to go and preach to all nations, “the Good News,” not despair.

Also, we Catholics aren’t called to any higher standard than other human beings. We’re not above them, but brothers and sisters.

Jim

To whom more is given more shall be required.

 

[Tigg]

Unfortunately, the Catholic Church has more people to help make you feel depressed about being Catholic, than joyous about salvation through Jesus Christ.

Jim

I revel in my Catholicism. How could anyone be depressed when our fountainhead, the Eucharist, is present every day? And I cling to words such as Bsp Schneider’s because they contain new hope for the Church…maybe we’ll even see that Springtime yet!

 

[JimR-OCDS]

The Apostles themselves despaired during and after the Crucifixion. But despair should not be the end product.

The apostles despaired during the Crucifixion, but received joy when they experienced the risen Jesus and especially when the Holy Spirit descended upon them at Pentecost.

If you can’t contemplate the gift God gave us through Jesus Christ, then yes, you’ll give in to despair and preach it to others as well.

Jim

 

[ProVobis]

I revel in my Catholicism. How could anyone be depressed when our fountainhead, the Eucharist, is present every day? !

In the older Mass among the first words are* Introibo ad altare Dei, ad Deum qui laetificat juventutem meam*. (I will go into the altar of God, to God who gives joy to my youth.)

I don’t have a clue as to why these words were removed.

 

[McCall1981]

The “new” Paganism?

I think this “paganism” has been around longer than the Judeo-Christian beliefs, so not so new.

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The modern paganism that he is referring to is the newest version of something that has been around a long time.

Ancient pagans worshiped their “gods” and our society has it’s own equivalent “gods”. So they had their old version of paganism, and we have our new version of paganism.

 

[Tigg]

In the older Mass among the first words are* Introibo ad altare Dei, ad Deum qui laetificat juventutem meam*. (I will go into the altar of God, to God who gives joy to my youth.)

I don’t have a clue as to why these words were removed.

So beautiful…I didn’t remember this particular phrase but yearn for all the prayers that we used to say that were eliminated. Remember the Asperges?

Thou shalt sprinkle me, O Lord, with hyssop, and I shall be cleansed; Thou shalt wash me, and I shall become whiter than snow.

And they were so important…Lex orandi, lex credendi – what we pray is what we believe. Perhaps what the above posters mean about being depressed is that the older version put emphasis on the penitential rite with words such as adversity, infirmity and unworthiness and these words make us rightly recognize the sin within ourselves and the need for repentance that is so important before we approach the Altar of Goodness and Salvation and drink of the joy. The contemporary Church, by contrast, says sin makes us uncomfortable and we don’t want to go there. (“I’m o.k. – you’re o.k.!) Here is a post I found yesterday on another thread that illustrates this:

Yes, i would much rather be optimistic than a nay sayer. My huge parish is full of wonderful people that care for each other, and The Least Among Us. Now, what I am discerning after 4 years here on CAF is that are parish life is totally disconnected from the academic posts here on the forums. No one, at least in my parish, cares who uses ABC and who doesn’t, or whose son or daughter is Gay or Lesbian.

How sad we fail to remember that it is in true charity that we admonish the sinner. It is implied above that traditionalists don’t much care about others. I assume that the “academic” posts refer to doctrinal issues.

With the squelching of tradition, I sometimes feel as though a part of my being has been cut out. And I do not attend the TLM because there is not one in our diocese. Our pastor, though, does uphold Tradition and I am so grateful to him because it keeps me grounded in my faith.

 

[ProVobis]

With the squelching of tradition, I sometimes feel as though a part of my being has been cut out. And I do not attend the TLM because there is not one in our diocese. Our pastor, though, does uphold Tradition and I am so grateful to him because it keeps me grounded in my faith.

The TLM does make a difference, if only in what it represents. There seems to be a growing feeling that in those parishes where at least one EF is celebrated, it makes an impact on the way the other Masses are celebrated there. I think this is why Pope Benedict pushed it the way he did.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

The TLM does make a difference, if only in what it represents. There seems to be a growing feeling that in those parishes where at least one EF is celebrated, it makes an impact on the way the other Masses are celebrated there. I think this is why Pope Benedict pushed it the way he did.

Actually, according Cardinal Sean O’Mallley, who was part of the commission dialoguing with SSPX, the reason Pope Benedict XVI allowed full use of the TLM, was to accomodate members of SSPX who might return to the Church. It didn’t work and now we have groups arguing that the TLM should be the norm, or that it’s more reverent, etc.

The only reason why the TLM makes a difference where it’s celebrated in the US, is because the people who attend, are not of that parish and travel out of their way to attend a TLM. They are Catholics who take their religion more seriously than the average Catholic attending Mass in their own parish.

For myself the one TLM that was nearby, no longer exist because the priest was arrested and defrocked for embezzlement and having affairs with women.

Jim

 

[Tigg]

For myself the one TLM that was nearby, no longer exist because the priest was arrested and defrocked for embezzlement and having affairs with women.

Jim

Which has what to do with the subject of this thread?

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Which has what to do with the subject of this thread?

Nothing other than the TLM isn’t available in my area as a result.

Jim

 

[jeannetherese]

The only reason why the TLM makes a difference where it’s celebrated in the US, is because the people who attend, are not of that parish and travel out of their way to attend a TLM. They are Catholics who take their religion more seriously than the average Catholic attending Mass in their own parish.

Jim

Hi Jim,
I’m not sure how universal this practice is, but in the Seattle Archdiocese, our Archbishop created a ‘parish-at-large’ for the Extraordinary Form of the Mass (TLM). People do commute to the Catholic Church that is hosting us at present while we await our permanent home. A year ago, I heard that the average commute was 40 minutes. (of course that does involve Seattle traffic)
As a parish at large, we do not have the narrower geographic boundaries of other parishes, but we are assisting at Mass our own parish.
We are blessed with the Eucharist and blessed with very solid catechesis. Father is currently holding catechetical talks on weekdays at three different locations to help his flock with their spiritual growth.
I pray for men to hear the call to the priesthood, to respond to that call once it is heard, and to become holy priests who will be able to assist in bringing more souls to Our Lord and I trust that Mass, our highest form of prayer and catechesis will support this.
May God bless our priests.
Amen.

 

[glendab]

Here’s the Headlines about the Bishop:

"Seven Priests Ordained in Omaha!
On Saturday, May 31, His Excellency Anthanasius Schneider, Auxiliary Bishop of Astana, Kazakhstan, Ordained 7 new priests for the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter. The Ordination took place at St. Cecilia Cathedral in Omaha and was attended by many faithful and members of the FSSP.’

This excerpt is from their monthly newsletter (the FSSP) that I get because I am a supoorter of their organization. The rest of the news about the Bishop’s affiliation and help to the FSSP can be found at their website www.fssp.org

Glenda

 

[drolla]

The Ultimate act of Adoration: Kneeling to receive the Eucharist from Christ ( in *Persona Christie) * while in the state of Grace.

Receiving communion in the hand comes from the heretical Dutch Catechism of 1966 in heavily Protestant regions of Belgium, Germany, France and Holland. They want to stand and feed themselves like adults who know right from wrong.

Satan told Eve “Surely you will not die, you will know the difference between good and evil and be like God”

 

[JimR-OCDS]

The Ultimate act of Adoration: Kneeling to receive the Eucharist from Christ ( in *Persona Christie) * while in the state of Grace.

Receiving communion in the hand comes from the heretical Dutch Catechism of 1966 in heavily Protestant regions of Belgium, Germany, France and Holland. They want to stand and feed themselves like adults who know right from wrong.

Satan told Eve “Surely you will not die, you will know the difference between good and evil and be like God”

So the Church is in heresy because they allow Catholics to receive in the hand ?

What about the first several centuries when Christians only received in the hand ? They were heretics too ?

Jim

 

[drolla]

Thanks Jim for regurgitating the drivel that you were told by your priest or religious instructor. No, they didn’t because the Liturgy was not fully evolved yet and they took great pains to not drop even one tiny crumb and because of this, receiving in the mouth evolved to be the more foolproof and reliable method of communicating and kneeling before God is just natural to those who Love & Fear Him. Might I recommend Bishop Athanasius Schneider’s book “Dominus Est!” as a much more detailed explanation? Here is a link to watch a demonstration of how an unconsecrated host leaves crumbs everywhere even when you are careful. That is the Body, Blood, Soul & Divinity of Christ and mustn’t be casually handled by anyone. youtube.com/watch?v=BiUqDa_Gzj0

 

[pnewton]

Thanks Jim for regurgitating the drivel that you were told by your priest or religious instructor… Might I recommend Bishop Athanasius Schneider’s book “Dominus Est!” as a much more detailed explanation?

I would say that your lack of charity does not speak well of any recommendation.