Bishop bars state legislative leaders may not be admitted to Holy Communion

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While I think this makes sense, the reality is if they go to Mass at all they just attend a different diocese.

Biden got barred in Scranton Diocese. Wilmington Diocese didn’t have a problem giving him Communion down there though.
 
Hello @Tis_Bearself

Valid points. I would just like to comment for anyone who might read this and is wondering…
  1. as someone who grew up in the Diocese of Wilmington, I can say it’s a terrible diocese
  2. the Bishop of Scranton really doesn’t have any authority over Biden. He hasn’t lived there since he was a kid. The only reason he brings it up is because he’s always trying to emphasize his parents’ blue collar roots.
  3. in regard to IL, while the Bishop of Springfield doesn’t have authority over representatives who are not from his diocese, at least it does send a message to the pro-abortion Catholics and tells Catholics sitting in the pews that being “pro-choice” is not a valid position for a Catholic.
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as someone who grew up in the Diocese of Wilmington, I can say it’s a terrible diocese
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I didn’t grow up there and have no huge loyalty to it, and I’m aware of controversy involving Malooly from when he was settling abuse suits in Baltimore, but they deserve a point for keeping many awesome old and historic churches open that many other dioceses would have shut down. I attend some of the old ones in lousy hoods and also did the 150th Anniv pilgrimage tour and Wilmington has had some truly amazing history and some great bishops and priests. Also, one of the priests who ministered to Biden there, I happen to know as a very holy old man who gave wonderful sermons about the saints. I think he was finally semi-retired because he was so old he could barely get up the step to the sanctuary. What he was like in his younger days, IDK.

I have also been to a Wilmington parish (not Biden’s) I would describe as super liberal and I understand that wouldn’t be your thing, especially if there’s more than one such parish.
 
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phil19034:
as someone who grew up in the Diocese of Wilmington, I can say it’s a terrible diocese
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I didn’t grow up there and have no huge loyalty to it, and I’m aware of controversy involving Malooly from when he was settling abuse suits in Baltimore, but they deserve a point for keeping many awesome old and historic churches open that many other dioceses would have shut down. I attend some of the old ones in lousy hoods and also did the 150th Anniv pilgrimage tour and Wilmington has had some truly amazing history and some great bishops and priests. Also, one of the priests who ministered to Biden there, I happen to know as a very holy old man who gave wonderful sermons about the saints. I think he was finally semi-retired because he was so old he could barely get up the step to the sanctuary. What he was like in his younger days, IDK.

I have also been to a Wilmington parish (not Biden’s) I would describe as super liberal and I understand that wouldn’t be your thing, especially if there’s more than one such parish.
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Yeah, there are some good Parishes there.

The problem with the Diocese of Wilmington is that (until recently) it used to be primarily Methodist.

After Vatican II, a lot of people used to assimilate to the Methodist culture. As a kid and even as an adult, is not uncommon to hear Methodist from Delmarva (the name of the peninsula that makes up Delaware, Eastern Shore Maryland, and two counties of Virginia) claim that there is. I difference between Catholics and Methodists.

And there are many Catholics there who think the same thing. My siblings and I even attended a Methodist preschool because it was cheaper than the Catholic one.

The newer Diocesan Cemeteries lack tombstones, and instead want those ground markers to maintain a “memorial field”

So clergy aside, it’s a very Methodist culture that has influenced many Catholics there.

Also, the fact that they have kept churches open is good and bad at the same time. Many pastors there are pastors for two different Parishes. They have no local vocations, so it’s something they can’t keep up for long.

NOTE: almost all (if not all) of their seminarians are from other dioceses because they can’t get seminarians. And all the most of priests that I know from my home parish in Dover, DE (which is a good Parish) joined religious orders.

Makes me sad
 
Two of my favorite churches to attend there have Franciscan friars in habits running one with sisters helping, and traditional Polish priests from Poland running the other. I’m also a fan of a particular rector who is a convert from I think Lutheran, but he became seriously ill lately so I fear he may not be around long.
 
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Two of my favorite churches to attend there have Franciscan friars in habits running one with sisters helping, and traditional Polish priests from Poland running the other. I’m also a fan of a particular rector who is a convert from I think Lutheran, but he became seriously ill lately so I fear he may not be around long.
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I’ve never been to the Franciscan churches there. The dioceses doesn’t list them on their website, so I really don’t know exactly where they are.
 
phil19034 said:
After Vatican II, a lot of people used to assimilate to the Methodist culture. As a kid and even as an adult, is not uncommon to hear Methodist from Delmarva (the name of the peninsula that makes up Delaware, Eastern Shore Maryland, and two counties of Virginia) claim that there is. I difference between Catholics and Methodists.
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I didn’t know there was such a thing as a “Methodist culture”. What would be some characteristics of that?

I know there are, among others, Baptist, Lutheran, and above all, Mormon cultures in this country. But Methodist?

When I attended my niece’s First Communion in Poland, I looked around at the village, saw everyone on their way to the church, the children in their First Communion robes (they wore unisex albs and cinctures), and said to myself “this is the way it’s supposed to be! — everyone, or near enough so, is Catholic”.
 
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After Vatican II, a lot of people used to assimilate to the Methodist culture. As a kid and even as an adult, is not uncommon to hear Methodist from Delmarva (the name of the peninsula that makes up Delaware, Eastern Shore Maryland, and two counties of Virginia) claim that there is. I difference between Catholics and Methodists.
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I didn’t know there was such a thing as a “Methodist culture”. What would be some characteristics of that?

I know there are, among others, Baptist, Lutheran, and above all, Mormon cultures in this country. But Methodist?

When I attended my niece’s First Communion in Poland, I looked around at the village, saw everyone on their way to the church, the children in their First Communion robes (they wore unisex albs and cinctures), and said to myself “this is the way it’s supposed to be! — everyone, or near enough so, is Catholic”.
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I really don’t know how to explain it more than I already did. When I was a kid, the largest domination in Delaware was the Methodist denomination.

Today, it’s Catholic thanks to Hispanic immigration and retirees moving in from PA, NJ and NY. But for the longest time it was Methodist.

And the vast majority of the counties in Eastern Shore Maryland and Eastern Shore Virginia (which are both on the DelMarVa peninsula with Delaware) are still primarily Methodist.
 
After thinking about this a little, I guess the best way to describe it is: “libertarian”

Delaware has always had a bit of a libertarian streak
 
phil19034 said:
After thinking about this a little, I guess the best way to describe it is: “libertarian”

Delaware has always had a bit of a libertarian streak
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That makes sense. Methodism can be described as a very, very Low Church Anglicanism. And some Methodists have a rudimentary faith in a sort of Real Presence (even though, lacking apostolic orders, they do not possess it).
 
I live in this diocese. The bishop’s action was entirely appropriate given the sweeping nature of the abortion/infanticide law… no one could vote for it without knowing exactly what they were doing.

That said, most of the legislators that would be affected (Catholic Democrats) don’t live here full time and would normally attend Mass in their home parishes… most of which are in the Archdiocese of Chicago or the Diocese of Joliet (which cover all of the Chicago metro area).
 
Saw this during lunch. Bravo to this bishop for having the courage to exercise Church discipline over his diocese.
 
After Vatican II, a lot of people used to assimilate to the Methodist culture.
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What’s Methodist culture? What’s it like? What would a Methodist society look like?

Was it part of some broader “mainline” culture back in the day when those Churches were more prominent (e.g. Lutheran, Presbyterian, Methodists, etc)?

Actually, are those Churches even more endangered than the US Catholic Church or are both in freefall?
 
@Tis_Bearself and @phil19034

If you don’t mind me asking, this sort of question, but do you have hope for the Church there? In Delaware? In the Northeast?

Also, this is more for Phil (but I’d love to hear from Tis_Bear if you don’t mind) but does Delaware and the Northeast have a lot of socially conservative but more fiscally if not economically progressive people (pro-life, pro-welfare, pro-social justice)? Are there actually tons of voters in America like that or such as these?
 
Many of these politicians are capitalizing on their Catholicism to get votes at election time. They’re not all of a sudden going to up and change churches.
 
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This needs to be done across the Church globally!
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I agree!

Yay for BIshop Paprocki! I hope he lives long!

I live in Illinois. My husband and I feel like there’s a dark cloud hanging over our head all the time because of the evil that is enthusiastically voted into law by our super-majority of Democratic State congressmen and women.

Only 1 Democrat in our Congress speaks up for the unborn–Dan Lipinski. All the rest are monsters.

We are also one of two states with the highest taxes (the other is New Jersey), mainly due to state worker (including school teachers) pensions that are written into our State constitution.

Our governor is horrible–he not only advocates for evil, but cheers for it. But our former Republican governor was horrible, too–he betrayed all of us by voting pro-choice, even though he had promised not to.

We have four governors in my life time (60 years) who have gone to prison for corruption.

The only reason we stay here is family, mainly elderly family members who are in frail health. But now things have changed–my husband was let go from his job with the Big Computer Company yesterday (along with hundreds of others), and although we have hopes of his finding a job in the area, we are willing to move away from Illinois. There are many states that are more fiscally and morally acceptable than this den of iniquity.

Too bad–the Land of Lincoln is beautiful. According to a lecturer that I recently heard, we have the most fertile soil for growing soybeans in the entire world. What a shame that this soil is dripping with blood of aborted people and crime victims–our city has higher murder rate (by percentage) than Chicago, which has one of highest percentage of murders in the U.S.
 
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