Bishop Carlson and the Saginaw Diocese

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FromMi,

Did anyone say Untener was bad?

I’m noticing that people are saying they want some thing to change… and that maybe Untener should’ve controlled some things more…

sure there were a couple things kinda jumping him there, but no one said he was horrible…

And- if he was in with Call to Action, they are not such a great group.
 
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bknebel:
FromMi,

Did anyone say Untener was bad?

I’m noticing that people are saying they want some thing to change… and that maybe Untener should’ve controlled some things more…

sure there were a couple things kinda jumping him there, but no one said he was horrible…

And- if he was in with Call to Action, they are not such a great group.
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I simply don’t see what’s to be gained by lying about a dead man.
 
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frommi:
I simply don’t see what’s to be gained by lying about a dead man.
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You are very quick to call people liars. You called me a liar when I stated a fact on the other thread. And it WAS A FACT. You don’t live in this diocese - I don’t see how you can possibly know everything that goes on here. Yes you have your priest sources, but I suspect that they see things the way you do and perhaps the information you get is colored through their filter. I too know priests in the diocese, but my sources are not credible - only yours.
 
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singerlady:
You are very quick to call people liars. You called me a liar when I stated a fact on the other thread. And it WAS A FACT. You don’t live in this diocese - I don’t see how you can possibly know everything that goes on here. Yes you have your priest sources, but I suspect that they see things the way you do and perhaps the information you get is colored through their filter. I too know priests in the diocese, but my sources are not credible - only yours.
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I’m so much more connected there than you seem to realize.

How can I question the credibilty of someone’s sources when they don’t seem to exist? Show me where any of these quotes attributed to Ken Untener are written down and not just part of urban legend.
 
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frommi:
I’m so much more connected there than you seem to realize.

How can I question the credibilty of someone’s sources when they don’t seem to exist? Show me where any of these quotes attributed to Ken Untener are written down and not just part of urban legend.
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Okay, you’re connected. How often do you need to remind us of that? You don’t live here, though. And for the record, I do not think Bishop Untener was a bad man. I liked the man. I think he made some very bad decisions, however. The diocese is still suffering because of at least one of those bad decisions - and I am not talking financial suffering. What makes your sources more credible than anyone else’s?
 
I detect some inate need for a “winner and a looser” following this thread.
This is a Catholic forum isn’t it?
I’ll be right back, lemme’ check…

Yep!

Our’s is a church of sinners on our journey to becomming saints. We can certainly make allowances for those that love and respect Bp. Utner. I believe that he never did anything that would have been considered intentionally heretical. From all I’ve heard of the man, he was a man of love for neighbor and a giver of self.

That being said, I’m sure that as “human” he had imperfections.
Errors in judgement, interpretation, responsibilities.

The Lord put all of us on this earth with imperfections, so that in the understanding of our imperfectness, we may come to improve upon the “basic” model that He put on the road.

If we attempt to exchange thoughts on all things Catholic, we can and will LEARN from one another.

Assuming that there are vendettas against members of His church, the need to have a winner and a looser is playing directly into the hands of our common enemy, Satan.

Satan will jump for joy when we turn on each other.

I respect the parishoners of the Cathedral yet I have an obligation to state that I do not feel fed by their liturgy. It certainly is not comfortable for the mainstream catholic.

If by some chance someone reads this and takes into account that there are some in my predicament, and wish to aid in the “conservative’s” needs, then God bless them. It’d be great.

God’s blessing upon you all.
 
Thanks, FCpilot.

ALSO- I’ve noticed many people who LIVE in the DIOCESE are feeling like they wish for a return to standard and common liturgies.

I believe my questions are directed at what they would like to see and what their thoughts are, not at what FROMMI thinks they are wrong on.

Not that we don’t want correction on wrong things, but let them have their thoguhts and their desires. Its their diocese.

I may have said stuff, but i see a return to common sacred liturgy as a good deal.
 
Folks, maybe if we stick to the topic of Bishop Carlson and his/your hopes for the diocese rather than discussing the former bishop, some of the bickering and name calling can be eliminated. This is a friendly reminder. If I have to step in again, I may not be quite so friendly.

Walt
 
Thanks, Walt.

I think that a good goal is to say that we are discussing where you want your diocese to be going, and not saying its always a bash on Untener, because its not. Its a wish for the future.

Again, thanks for the warning walt. I know there are plenty here that just want to have a good and holy discussion.
 
Thanks Walt.

Let’s pick on Bp. Carlson!

Boy is he pokey… (“my” will not Thine be done?)

geeesh! :rolleyes:

Bless you all.

Kev
 
splain the my vs thine?
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fcpilot:
Thanks Walt.

Let’s pick on Bp. Carlson!

Boy is he pokey… (“my” will not Thine be done?)

geeesh! :rolleyes:

Bless you all.

Kev
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It was tongue in cheek.

In God’s time all will be done. (from what I’ve noticed He has a pretty good handle on ALL situations)

We all have our adgendas. As a whole ( me in particular ) patience has never been our stong suit.

As long as there has been a Catholic church, these discussions have been transpiring. Imputs are welcome, but outputs (prayer) will probably accomplish more.

God bless!
Kev
 
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frommi:
Call to Action is ok with every bishop in the country with the exception of Bruskewitz, who felt the need to excommunicate them. He’s the only one. What I find interesting is that when a Bruskewitz is the only bishop doing something, the ‘authentic’ faithful let up a cheer…when an Untener type does it, they phone Rome and start gnashing their teeth.

Your opinions aren’t opinions, they are blatant mistruths about what has gone on.

Stuff worth chewin on I tell ya
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That is properly called a crock, I believe. Call to Action is OK ??? Is that what is taught (was taught) in Saginaw… now I might understand what the problem is… invincible ignorance, perhaps :hmmm: :rolleyes:
 
agreed!

He was in Sioux Falls 11 years (1 as CoAdjutor, 10 as bishop), and he didn’t make a lot of moves super fast, but we look back at those 10 years and wow! a lot was accomplished!

I pray the same will happen in the next 10 years in Saginaw that you will look back and say “WOW!”
 
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lepanto:
bk: I understand your point, but sometimes it’s better to pull off the Band-Aid quickly. Get the pain over as quickly as possible rather than draw it out.
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Le (I can call you Le can’t I?)

Point made but having been around medicine a “couple” of years, it’s always best to make sure that the core wound is healed or in need of a dressing change. Being realitivly conservative by nature, I would like to see things “happen” NOW…( see my reply on patience) 👍

Being a realist, and attempting to find my compassionate side, I think we owe it to those who’s apple carts will be totally tipped should they go “cold turkey” back to the magisterial way of doing things. In the Old Testament there were plenty of “left” turns. God allowed it and ALL eventually learned by their actions. Some positively and some negatively. The ship however was always righted. (I’m just a metaphorical fool today ain’t I ?) A few were drowned however.

Am I certain that evrything that Rome decrees is correct and in accordance with God’s will? Somethings, absolutely. Others, I can only scratch my head and wonder. This I do know however. Our Lord did not leave us adrift. There is a Captain of this ship and we will make our destination if we all row together.

God’s Peace
 
true, FromMi… the ordination question, i did hear was something to do with Deaconate ordination? Maybe that holds a little more weight in your world?

Either way, its an unusual setup for the cathedral
 
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bknebel:
true, FromMi… the ordination question, i did hear was something to do with Deaconate ordination? Maybe that holds a little more weight in your world?

Either way, its an unusual setup for the cathedral
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It’s true there was no permanent diaconate program. Everyone was sent through the lay ministry program.
 
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frommi:
It’s true there was no permanent diaconate program. Everyone was sent through the lay ministry program.
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There WAS a permanent deaconate program. It was suspended.
 
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