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bknebel
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Singerlady, why was it suspended?
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It doesn’t seem to me that his action with St. Stans is just like every other parish. I have friends that go there and they’ve told me he has been there at least 4 or 5 times maybe more including changing the site of the respect life mass on the aniversary of Row v. Wade from the Cathedral to St. Stans.
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What? Don’t make blatant mistruths? Every bishop in the country? Are you crazy? There may be a handful of bishops that support Call to Action. Not all but Bruskewitz. Call to Action is a scourge of the Church. They don’t understand the theology or philosophy behind many of the Church’s teachings. If you don’t believe me check this out:
cta-usa.org/cta-ad.html
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singerlady
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Scary stuff. Thanks for the link.
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bknebel
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keep up hope, all! The diocese will be orthodox again someday… refer to my post about bishop’s 11 years here!
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grotto
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The following is taken from an article appearing in the Mt. Pleasant, Morning Sun Newspaper written by Constance Parten a writer for the paper. The article was titled “Catholics grapple with priest’s role”.
"Untener said one problem is that too many masses have been offered over the past 100 years. It has led to a fractured Catholic community.
‘I like to equate it to having Thanksgiving dinner with your family with sittings at 1 p.m., 2 p.m., etc.’ he said. ‘It may bring us to an appreciation of the parish as a family affair again.’
'The majority of Catholics, by a wide majority, would accept married, ordained priests and female ordained priests, Untener said. 'That’s in the United States - I don’t know what the percentages would be - in places where the perception of women is different."
The following is taken from an article in the Catholic Weekly
entitled “Michigan bishops told to explain teaching on women priests”.
Michigan bishops making their “ad limina” visits with Detroit’s Cardinal Adam J. Maida were: Kalamazoo Bishop James A. Murray, Grand Rapids Bishop Robert J. Rose, SAGINAW BISHOP KENNETH E. UNTENER, Gaylord Bishop Patrick R. Cooney, Lansing Bishop Carl F. Mengeling and Marquette Bishop James A. Garland.
"U.S. bishops must explain to their faithful why the Catholic Church CANNOT ordain women to the priesthood, Pope John Paul II, said.
Catholics in the United States also must know that the church’s practice of ordaining only men is not a matter of discrimination, but of fidelity to Christ, the pope told a group of bishops from Michigan and Ohio.
Pope John Paul told his guests, “As bishops, you must explain to the faithful why the church does not have the authority to ordain women to the ministerial priesthood, at the same time making clear why this is not a question of the equality of persons or of their God-given rights.”
"Untener said one problem is that too many masses have been offered over the past 100 years. It has led to a fractured Catholic community.
‘I like to equate it to having Thanksgiving dinner with your family with sittings at 1 p.m., 2 p.m., etc.’ he said. ‘It may bring us to an appreciation of the parish as a family affair again.’
'The majority of Catholics, by a wide majority, would accept married, ordained priests and female ordained priests, Untener said. 'That’s in the United States - I don’t know what the percentages would be - in places where the perception of women is different."
The following is taken from an article in the Catholic Weekly
entitled “Michigan bishops told to explain teaching on women priests”.
Michigan bishops making their “ad limina” visits with Detroit’s Cardinal Adam J. Maida were: Kalamazoo Bishop James A. Murray, Grand Rapids Bishop Robert J. Rose, SAGINAW BISHOP KENNETH E. UNTENER, Gaylord Bishop Patrick R. Cooney, Lansing Bishop Carl F. Mengeling and Marquette Bishop James A. Garland.
"U.S. bishops must explain to their faithful why the Catholic Church CANNOT ordain women to the priesthood, Pope John Paul II, said.
Catholics in the United States also must know that the church’s practice of ordaining only men is not a matter of discrimination, but of fidelity to Christ, the pope told a group of bishops from Michigan and Ohio.
Pope John Paul told his guests, “As bishops, you must explain to the faithful why the church does not have the authority to ordain women to the ministerial priesthood, at the same time making clear why this is not a question of the equality of persons or of their God-given rights.”
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frommi
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Not shockingly…you took the first comment out of context…since the man was basically saying that in a perfect world a parish would gather together at one mass to celebrate the eucharist…which is true.
Then you decided that the Pope picked his ad limina message for the Michigan bishops based on Ken Untener…seems unlikely.
I pray for you Grotto, that your bitterness doesn’t somehow overcome your ability to be a charitable catholic.
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frommi
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Hmmm…to think I’ve made the mistake of assuming being Catholic is enough…without these loaded adjectives like ‘orthodox’ and ‘authentic’.
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I really hate to do this, but several posters to this thread seem determined to discuss the former bishop and his perceived shortcomings rather than discussing Bishop Carlson and his vision for the future, forcing me to either suspend about four people for ignoring moderator guidance regarding being charitable and staying on topic or to close the thread or edit the thread. It’s less work on me to simply close the thread but, for the benefit of those who want to discuss the future of the diocese of Saginaw, I will attempt to edit it.
For those who want to keep knocking the deceased bishop, please get together and take your discussion to another board. It’s not allowed on Catholic Answers Forums.
This is my final warning. If I have to intervene in this thread again, the posting privileges of some members will be suspended.
Thanks for your cooperation.
Walt
For those who want to keep knocking the deceased bishop, please get together and take your discussion to another board. It’s not allowed on Catholic Answers Forums.
This is my final warning. If I have to intervene in this thread again, the posting privileges of some members will be suspended.
Thanks for your cooperation.
Walt
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Morning_Glory
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**Way to go Walt! 
From reading this thread, it looks as though the people of the Saginaw Diocese have waiting for good change to happen. This can most definitely be done by pointing out the positive changes happening, without having to bad mouth anyone else.
Good luck Saginaw!**
From reading this thread, it looks as though the people of the Saginaw Diocese have waiting for good change to happen. This can most definitely be done by pointing out the positive changes happening, without having to bad mouth anyone else.
Good luck Saginaw!**
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bknebel
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Walt and Morning Glory,
Yes. Good discussion should take place. I apologize if I have been one to be uncharitable. I will watch my words as, i hope, the rest will.
When I was reading my recent copy of the CATHOLC WEEKLY, it spoke on the cover of Catholic Schools week and Bishop Carlson’s homily about ‘the tape.’ did anyone hear this homily? I’d love to hear what your thoughts were on it! I just love Bishop’s Homilies!
Yes. Good discussion should take place. I apologize if I have been one to be uncharitable. I will watch my words as, i hope, the rest will.
When I was reading my recent copy of the CATHOLC WEEKLY, it spoke on the cover of Catholic Schools week and Bishop Carlson’s homily about ‘the tape.’ did anyone hear this homily? I’d love to hear what your thoughts were on it! I just love Bishop’s Homilies!
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grotto
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Here goes! Sorry I have described things in the Diocese that I hope do disappear. I do take exception to being called a liar and that I state “mistruths”. I posted newspaper articles to support my statements but they didn’t make it past the moderator because the subject must be dropped. I am happy to drop it. Amen.
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Lepanto
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Walt and All,
I have never commented on Ken. We can let his record speak for itself.
All that I really care about is what Bishop Carlson is doing now or plans to do. Of course we can’t read his mind, but:
What are the problem areas he has identified? Or what has he publicly said about the problems?
What concrete actions has he taken so far?
What actions did he take in Sioux Falls when he encountered similar problems there?
What people has he moved around? (No need to name the names.)
Has he started or ceased diocesan or parish-level programs?
Has he announced some sort of diocesan-wide time-table to get certain goals done?
How has the priestly vocations situation changed since he arrived a year ago?
I have never commented on Ken. We can let his record speak for itself.
All that I really care about is what Bishop Carlson is doing now or plans to do. Of course we can’t read his mind, but:
What are the problem areas he has identified? Or what has he publicly said about the problems?
What concrete actions has he taken so far?
What actions did he take in Sioux Falls when he encountered similar problems there?
What people has he moved around? (No need to name the names.)
Has he started or ceased diocesan or parish-level programs?
Has he announced some sort of diocesan-wide time-table to get certain goals done?
How has the priestly vocations situation changed since he arrived a year ago?
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singerlady
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Problems: lack of vocations and funding for Catholic schools
We now have 12 seminarians, 2 of whom will be ordained this June
don’t know
They have increased from 2 to 10
And the bishop is planning to reinstate the permanent deaconate.
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bknebel
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I can only see great things happening from Bishop Carlson’s time as your bishop.
If you want vocations, pray. Look what he’s done- a tape of the rosary. Who better to ask than our Blessed Mother?
You still want a traveling bishop. Are there any parishes he hasn’t visited?
I pray that things will keep improving, and will do so with dignity to the past. There are people who like a progressive trend on their faith, and I know bishop will accomodate that as far as he is able. When it comes to doing things by the GIRM and the other liturgical guidelines, they will be done as they are supposed to.
As far as things going far right to Latin and such, Bishop carlson was only able to grant the Latin indult right before his departure.
He’s willing to let you have your faith and tailor it a little.
don’t be afraid of B.C. He’s a holy bishop and listens well. I can tell you that from a personal standpoint where I have emailed him personal questions and received a personal reply!
I pray for him and all of you. I’m almost jealous that you have him. I know whoever is chosen to be our new bishop will be met with the comparisons of who he is next to Bishop Carlson. I pray that it will be a smooth succession.
If you want vocations, pray. Look what he’s done- a tape of the rosary. Who better to ask than our Blessed Mother?
You still want a traveling bishop. Are there any parishes he hasn’t visited?
I pray that things will keep improving, and will do so with dignity to the past. There are people who like a progressive trend on their faith, and I know bishop will accomodate that as far as he is able. When it comes to doing things by the GIRM and the other liturgical guidelines, they will be done as they are supposed to.
As far as things going far right to Latin and such, Bishop carlson was only able to grant the Latin indult right before his departure.
He’s willing to let you have your faith and tailor it a little.
don’t be afraid of B.C. He’s a holy bishop and listens well. I can tell you that from a personal standpoint where I have emailed him personal questions and received a personal reply!
I pray for him and all of you. I’m almost jealous that you have him. I know whoever is chosen to be our new bishop will be met with the comparisons of who he is next to Bishop Carlson. I pray that it will be a smooth succession.
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Hestia
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I have been reading with interest, and sometimes with disgust, the things being said about the Church of Saginaw. I work in the Diocese of Saginaw also (like Singerlady). When someone says that many in the Diocese are waiting for change in the liturgy, etc. - I can say have you every heard of the “silent majority”. We are not going to battle and rip apart Bishop Carlson because of changes he feels need to be implemented in our liturgy - but I don’t believe there will be as many changes as a lot of folks in this chatroom hope for or expect. Then how will you support Bishop Carlson?
As to the newspaper article in the Saginaw News on Saturday about lay preaching. There are many more than 252 lay ministers in the Diocese - only 40 lay persons and religious have gone through the Lay Preaching Formation Program. I have been a lay minister for 20 years, I do not preach, I don’t feel called to preaching. I will also say that Bishop Carlson spoke with the Lay Ministers in the fall and encouraged lay preaching in many areas - Sunday eucharist with an ordained minister present being the only time it will not be permitted. When you speak of vocations, please clarify priestly because lay ministry is a vocation - we answer our baptismal call to minister to God’s people, using the gifts and graces He gave us. By the way, Bishop Carlson has said he will reinstate the Permanent Diaconate - and a prerequisite for the program would be Lay Ministry Formation.
Saginaw is a graced Church, always have been always will be. Bishop Carlson brings us different gifts - and we will work with him for the good of all God’s people.
As to the newspaper article in the Saginaw News on Saturday about lay preaching. There are many more than 252 lay ministers in the Diocese - only 40 lay persons and religious have gone through the Lay Preaching Formation Program. I have been a lay minister for 20 years, I do not preach, I don’t feel called to preaching. I will also say that Bishop Carlson spoke with the Lay Ministers in the fall and encouraged lay preaching in many areas - Sunday eucharist with an ordained minister present being the only time it will not be permitted. When you speak of vocations, please clarify priestly because lay ministry is a vocation - we answer our baptismal call to minister to God’s people, using the gifts and graces He gave us. By the way, Bishop Carlson has said he will reinstate the Permanent Diaconate - and a prerequisite for the program would be Lay Ministry Formation.
Saginaw is a graced Church, always have been always will be. Bishop Carlson brings us different gifts - and we will work with him for the good of all God’s people.
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singerlady
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Just to clarify, I was answering a question that specifically asked about priestly vocations.
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singerlady
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Hestia said:
This was the only lay preaching that was objected to. No one has complained about lay people preaching outside of Mass. Again, not being argumentative, just clarifying.
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bknebel
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Bishop Carlson was home in Sioux Falls today to bury a priest that was very very close to him, Monsignor John McEneany. Msgr. ‘Mac’ was retired and lived in the bishop’s house. He died of cancer at age 88.
KELO-TV news has the coverage of the funeral and the video of the segment: keloland.com/NewsDetail2817.cfm?Id=0,46187
at the end when Bishop says “Thank you, John McEneany.” you can see him visibly cholked up. It made me cry so hard to watch that.
I cannot believe how lucky you people are in saginaw. This holy man has touched my life for so long (11 years out of 21) and you can just see the concern he has for his priests and faithful. I have a note from him that is framed and has been on my desk for a year. it reads:
"Dear Basil,
Thank you for all you do for the Newman Center. I pray that your future is filled with great hope and strong faith.
In Christ,
Bishop Carlson"
God Bless Bishop Robert Carlson, and May God’s peace rest on the Soul of Monsignor John McEneany.
KELO-TV news has the coverage of the funeral and the video of the segment: keloland.com/NewsDetail2817.cfm?Id=0,46187
at the end when Bishop says “Thank you, John McEneany.” you can see him visibly cholked up. It made me cry so hard to watch that.
I cannot believe how lucky you people are in saginaw. This holy man has touched my life for so long (11 years out of 21) and you can just see the concern he has for his priests and faithful. I have a note from him that is framed and has been on my desk for a year. it reads:
"Dear Basil,
Thank you for all you do for the Newman Center. I pray that your future is filled with great hope and strong faith.
In Christ,
Bishop Carlson"
God Bless Bishop Robert Carlson, and May God’s peace rest on the Soul of Monsignor John McEneany.
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