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otm
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However, action needs to be guided by prayer. and hour of adoration before some major event sure isn’t going to hurt…
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grotto
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Been thinking about vocations and am wondering if marriage is still considered to be a vocation? I was taught that it was - that first was the priesthood, then religious orders and then marriage. I never heard anything about “lay ministers” being a vocation. "Lay people I have heard of - that’s us right? When did preaching become an identity a lay person could call a vocation? It sounds rather puffed up. Lots of people lecture, teach, entertain but IMO it takes away from the status of a vocation in the Church. I would rather reserve the term for the priests, religious orders, and marriage as they are all three rather rare these days!
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bknebel
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Grotto,
I dont’ know about the authorized lay ministers like is being metioned, but I know we’re all called to minister. Its our baptismal call.
As St.Therese of Liseux said, our first vocation is to love.
There are various degrees to each vocation but the vocations are as follows (in no particular order, because I was taught no one was MORE important than the other… BUT- Paul did speak of being enuch for the sake of the kingdom…)
Priesthood
Deaconate
Religious Life (Bro and sis)
Marriage
Single Life
I dont’ know about the authorized lay ministers like is being metioned, but I know we’re all called to minister. Its our baptismal call.
As St.Therese of Liseux said, our first vocation is to love.
There are various degrees to each vocation but the vocations are as follows (in no particular order, because I was taught no one was MORE important than the other… BUT- Paul did speak of being enuch for the sake of the kingdom…)
Priesthood
Deaconate
Religious Life (Bro and sis)
Marriage
Single Life
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grotto
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There ! you got em all right! Yes, we are ALL called by our Baptism and Confirmation for openers! I just hope the distinction is kept and that status isn’t sought after by role playing such as being CALLED to be a lay minister with credentials. It lends authority to those who should not have it.
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bknebel
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We, as faithful Catholics, are called to listen to our priests, our bishops and our Holy Father, the pope. These are our authority, as well as the magisterium, the teaching office of the church.
Bishop Carlson is very in tune with all of this and is a very good teacher, preacher and listener.
I know we have discussed some of the bad that has been happening in the Saginaw Diocese, but has there been any good, ie, priests and faithful who have come full circle or have started showing their more traditional ways again? Maybe some who were not so able to be as orthodox as they wished when things were more progressive, but now that things are turning a little, is anyone showing a more orthodox tone?
Bishop Carlson is very in tune with all of this and is a very good teacher, preacher and listener.
I know we have discussed some of the bad that has been happening in the Saginaw Diocese, but has there been any good, ie, priests and faithful who have come full circle or have started showing their more traditional ways again? Maybe some who were not so able to be as orthodox as they wished when things were more progressive, but now that things are turning a little, is anyone showing a more orthodox tone?
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8640
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Well, I heard that youth from the diocese attanded the march for life for the first time in a long time.
I don’t think there has been much conversion of heart though.
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grotto
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smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_7_16.gifHeadin’ down the road for Eucharistic Adoration!
If you would like to understand more try “The History of Eucharistic Adoration” by John A. Hardon, S.J.
If you would like to understand more try “The History of Eucharistic Adoration” by John A. Hardon, S.J.
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bknebel
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OOH! I may hafta check that resource out!
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8640
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Has anyone heard of what the bishop plans on doing to improve the schools?
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bknebel
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I heard that he was proposing a consolidation of sorts- something to the effect of all the schools joining a common system so they can share some resources and pool money better. I’m not sure if it was diocesean wide or just saginaw-wide.
I believe i read it in the Catholic Weekly a couple weeks ago. Anyone else have better information as to this?
I believe i read it in the Catholic Weekly a couple weeks ago. Anyone else have better information as to this?
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frommi
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By way of background…
In one of the major cities in the diocese a consolidated system has been the norm for a number of years…a flat percentage of the sunday collection goes to the schools…there is one chief operating officer for the entire system, which I think includes 1 high school, 1 middle school, and 5 elementary schools.
That’s the basic model that would go in place in Saginaw, where right now there isn’t as much sharing of resources between all the parishes to keep the schools solvent.
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8640
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Why not just do a diocesan system instead of breaking it up according to the seperate cities?
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frommi
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There is a superintedent of schools for the diocese…but that is more a matter of curricular alignment, etc.
IF one is talking finances, it’s hard to justify making people in the far flung reaches of croswell subsidize education in Midland.
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Lepanto
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I’m thinking of attending Mass at St Mary Cathedral in Saginaw this Sunday. I’ve never been there before.
I’m surprised that there are only two Masses offered on Sundays Sunday 10 AM
& 5:30 PM
Why so few Masses? Is St Mary’s in an inner-city area with few remaining Catholics?
Also, is there a difference between the two Masses in terms of their character? By this I mean is one more orthodox then the other (rubrics, homilies, music, etc), or are they pretty much the same?
I’m surprised that there are only two Masses offered on Sundays Sunday 10 AM
& 5:30 PM
Why so few Masses? Is St Mary’s in an inner-city area with few remaining Catholics?
Also, is there a difference between the two Masses in terms of their character? By this I mean is one more orthodox then the other (rubrics, homilies, music, etc), or are they pretty much the same?
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bknebel
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so true, FromMi.
I’m in a city here in South Dakota that centralized the Catholic Schools and it has improved everything with the schools. They have a High school, a Junior High school, and two elementaries, each at the parishes in town. All are under the name of Roncalli, dedicated to Pope John XXIII.
Great System.
I was also a part of the Fargo Catholic Schools Network for a time and they left each parish with an elementary school, but the schools were networked with the middle and high schools and share staff and budgets, etc. Each school maintains the parish name, but is a FCSN school.
I’m in a city here in South Dakota that centralized the Catholic Schools and it has improved everything with the schools. They have a High school, a Junior High school, and two elementaries, each at the parishes in town. All are under the name of Roncalli, dedicated to Pope John XXIII.
Great System.
I was also a part of the Fargo Catholic Schools Network for a time and they left each parish with an elementary school, but the schools were networked with the middle and high schools and share staff and budgets, etc. Each school maintains the parish name, but is a FCSN school.
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MICATH
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Lepano,
The Cathedral is an inner-city parish w/ a very mulitcultural congregation. The members range from lifelong members who no longer live in the area but are faithful to the church, to members from the many different cultures that reside in the area. Not a huge congregation, but one that is very faithful to their church.
As to the Mass schedule, the Saturday evening and Sunday morning Mass tend to attract most of the members of the parish. The Sunday evening Mass attracts a few members, but it is the only Sunday evening Mass in Saginaw, so the crowd is usually varied and diverse, depending on who missed Mass at their home parish that morning. (There is now a Sunday evening Mass at the local college, but I’m not sure if it is “open” to the general public or more for the students)
As to difference in the Mass, generally their are none, they both follow the same script, with the main defference being, the evening Mass is almost always presided at by a guest priest from the community, I am assuming because those in attendance are from so many different parishes in the area. Fr. Wagoner (the pastor) is almost always standing by in the wings, just the celebrant changes from week-to-week.
It is interesting to watch the guest celebrants reactions to the “script”. Some of them are very comfortable with the style of the Mass and some of them are obviously uncomfortable with inviting the congregation to join in the hand motions of the Eucharistic prayer, join in the doxology, listening to the lay people proclaim the gospel and preach.
You should have a very interesting experience if you have never been to Mass their before.
The Cathedral is an inner-city parish w/ a very mulitcultural congregation. The members range from lifelong members who no longer live in the area but are faithful to the church, to members from the many different cultures that reside in the area. Not a huge congregation, but one that is very faithful to their church.
As to the Mass schedule, the Saturday evening and Sunday morning Mass tend to attract most of the members of the parish. The Sunday evening Mass attracts a few members, but it is the only Sunday evening Mass in Saginaw, so the crowd is usually varied and diverse, depending on who missed Mass at their home parish that morning. (There is now a Sunday evening Mass at the local college, but I’m not sure if it is “open” to the general public or more for the students)
As to difference in the Mass, generally their are none, they both follow the same script, with the main defference being, the evening Mass is almost always presided at by a guest priest from the community, I am assuming because those in attendance are from so many different parishes in the area. Fr. Wagoner (the pastor) is almost always standing by in the wings, just the celebrant changes from week-to-week.
It is interesting to watch the guest celebrants reactions to the “script”. Some of them are very comfortable with the style of the Mass and some of them are obviously uncomfortable with inviting the congregation to join in the hand motions of the Eucharistic prayer, join in the doxology, listening to the lay people proclaim the gospel and preach.
You should have a very interesting experience if you have never been to Mass their before.
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8640
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I can see what you are saying but I pay taxes for public schools and I don’t even have kids in the schools.
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frommi
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Not exactly the same…this would be like someone in midland paying for public schools in saginaw
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spanky
Guest
Anyone listen to Ave Maria Radio this morning? I heard Bishop Carlson was going to be on Catholic Connections with Teresa Tomeo at 8 am. I can’t listen during work but I caught the first 5 minutes. Sounded like Al Kresta was subbing for her today. Anyway, if you tuned in…how was it?
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bknebel
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Hello, all.
I read the recent Catholic Weekly and they were talking about Bishop’s First year in Saginaw.
What have you seen as a fruit of his first year in Saginaw, beyond the number of seminarians going up 83% in number?
I read the recent Catholic Weekly and they were talking about Bishop’s First year in Saginaw.
What have you seen as a fruit of his first year in Saginaw, beyond the number of seminarians going up 83% in number?
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