Bishop Carlson and the Saginaw Diocese

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bknebel:
Hello, all.

I read the recent Catholic Weekly and they were talking about Bishop’s First year in Saginaw.

What have you seen as a fruit of his first year in Saginaw, beyond the number of seminarians going up 83% in number?
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The other night something was on the news saying he had 12 seminarians…then the reporter said they would be ordained next year.

I know people like the bishop…but Im curious how he’s managing to fast track the ordinations…lol…me actually thinks that the reporter might be just a little off on that one.

Although I love when reporters try reporting on catholic things…they always screw it up somehow.
 
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frommi:
The other night something was on the news saying he had 12 seminarians…then the reporter said they would be ordained next year.

I know people like the bishop…but Im curious how he’s managing to fast track the ordinations…lol…me actually thinks that the reporter might be just a little off on that one.

Although I love when reporters try reporting on catholic things…they always screw it up somehow.
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Two are being ordained this summer. They are the ones who were in formation before Bishop Carlson got here. He is not fast-tracking anything.
 
I may have said in the other thread, deep in there someplace, that I’m not expecting anything from Bishop Carlson for at least five years, notwithstanding any early gains that might be achieved.

He is responsible for things that take a long time to come to fruition, and we will be able to tell, somewhat in retrospect. I think it takes a year to three years for somebody in his position to find the “pulse” of what is going on.

For myself, I am content to pray for inspiration and conversion in the diocese. Several of my prayers and predictions have come true, and I am pleasantly thankful for all of these.
 
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singerlady:
Two are being ordained this summer. They are the ones who were in formation before Bishop Carlson got here. He is not fast-tracking anything.
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I know he’s not…like I said…I just found the quote humorous
 
I hope that the good people of the Saginaw Diocese don’t get too emotionally invested in Bishop Carlson. Along with Bishop Alan Vigneron in Oakland, Carlson appears to be high on the short-list of likely candidates to succeed Cardinal Maida as Archbishop of Detroit. Miaida has submitted his “retirement” papers to Rome and is well past the mandatory retirement age. Many have speculated that he will be officially retired by this summer soon after he celebrates his 50th anniversary of priestly ordination.
 
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shs-aod:
I hope that the good people of the Saginaw Diocese don’t get too emotionally invested in Bishop Carlson.QUOTE]
Bite your tongue! We are invested and happy! Today he came to St. Agnes for the re-dedication and what a beautiful, loving, Catholic great day it was. The new expanded church was FULL, the choir was power packed and Bishop Carlson won everybody’s heart!
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shs-aod:
I hope that the good people of the Saginaw Diocese don’t get too emotionally invested in Bishop Carlson.QUOTE]
Bite your tongue! We are invested and happy! Today he came to St. Agnes for the re-dedication and what a beautiful, loving, Catholic great day it was. The new expanded church was FULL, the choir was power packed and Bishop Carlson won everybody’s heart!
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I would have to agree that Bishop Carlson would be on the short list for a variety of vacancies should they arise. IF he’s in Saginaw 5 years, Ill be stunned
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For those who may be interested. I was at the 5:30 pm Sunday night mass at St. Brigid’s in Midland today. I normally don’t go there, but due to a conflict that was the only mass I could make.

Anyway, during the homily the priest announced the following to the congregation:
  1. Only a bishop, priest or deacon can do the homily as that is in the GIRM.
  2. People were asked not to hold their hands out toward the Eucharist during the consecration - as was being done before. (This always appeared as if the congregation had some power to consecrate as well).
  3. He also kindly suggested that perhaps only the priest should adapt the ORANs position during mass.
  4. I also noticed that all the chalices were gold too.
  5. He also talked about the congregation bowing in reverence when the celebrant genuflects.
  6. The Eucharistic bread was wafers, but I don’t know what they used before, so this may be the same as always.
He went about saying this in a very nice, polite manner - and I think he succeeded. Overall, it was a very nice mass.
(Now, if only we can kneel for the consecration 😉 ). I would go back there again without any question if I have to go to a Sunday night mass. Peace,
MBS1
 
Where was the presidential chair? Also, we have been told in our parish that the only discussion of the GIRM was in regard to lay preaching.
 
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shs-aod:
Along with Bishop Alan Vigneron in Oakland, Carlson appears to be high on the short-list of likely candidates to succeed Cardinal Maida as Archbishop of Detroit.
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Ever since Bishop Carlson’s appointment to Saginaw, I have been wondering the same thing…
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MBS1:
For those who may be interested. I was at the 5:30 pm Sunday night mass at St. Brigid’s in Midland today. I normally don’t go there, but due to a conflict that was the only mass I could make.

Anyway, during the homily the priest announced the following to the congregation:
  1. Only a bishop, priest or deacon can do the homily as that is in the GIRM.
  2. People were asked not to hold their hands out toward the Eucharist during the consecration - as was being done before. (This always appeared as if the congregation had some power to consecrate as well).
  3. He also kindly suggested that perhaps only the priest should adapt the ORANs position during mass.
  4. I also noticed that all the chalices were gold too.
  5. He also talked about the congregation bowing in reverence when the celebrant genuflects.
  6. The Eucharistic bread was wafers, but I don’t know what they used before, so this may be the same as always.
He went about saying this in a very nice, polite manner - and I think he succeeded. Overall, it was a very nice mass.
(Now, if only we can kneel for the consecration 😉 ). I would go back there again without any question if I have to go to a Sunday night mass. Peace,
MBS1
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At that parish…true story…they have a chalice that belonged to a msgr of yesteryear…its really cool looking. Legend has it that when Cardinal Hickey visited he always checked the condition of that chalice…and it was only since that priest was at the parish that it was being taken care of.
 
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msproule:
Ever since Bishop Carlson’s appointment to Saginaw, I have been wondering the same thing…
:hmmm:
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I would guess its doubtful he has anything to do with the detroit vacancy…I have heard that Maida will retire around the time of his golden jubilee in June…but who knows.
 
Just wondering if any one noticed any changes at Mass today? I attended St. John Vianney in Saginaw and only noticed that the priest was now receiving communion before the congregation, not at the end with the E.M.'s, as had been the practice before.

However, they were still using what appeared to be the honey bread, the precious blood was consecrated in a decanter with matching goblets used for distribution, the doxology was sung by the entire congregation, the Our Father was recited without the “deliver us Lord from evil.”

If things were supposed to have changed, the word never got to this parish. Did anyone else note any changes?
 
A loss of another priest from the Saginaw Diocese with the passing of Fr. Donner, recently at Sacred Heart in Gladwin, formerly from Mt. Pleasant. May God have mercy on him and the saints welcome him.
 
Sorry to hear about Fr. Donner. I enjoyed his column each week in the Catholic Weekly. Do you know what he died of (it’ll probably be in tomorrow’s paper).

MBS1
 
I attended 5:30 Mass at St. Mary Cathedral in Saginaw today for the third time in the 10 years I have lived in this diocese. The Pastor, EDITED, “presided” and a layperson delivered the homily, using notecards to compare our Lenten journey to how she got lost driving to Florida: “I started out on I-75 and ended up in Kalamazoo.” The homily ended abruptly when the notecards got mixed up. If anything, the “Mass” was even more over the top than the other two I had previously attended. The wine was in a glass pitcher and the bread was the same crumbly cookie matter that they always have used there. If Bishop Carlson has ordered an end to these shenanigans, then this was truly “in your face” disobedience.
 
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MBS1:
Sorry to hear about Fr. Donner. I enjoyed his column each week in the Catholic Weekly. Do you know what he died of (it’ll probably be in tomorrow’s paper).

MBS1
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This is very sad and unexpected. The Lord works in mysterious ways. May he rest in peace.
 
I have been to the Cathedral parish in Saginaw with the same priest mentioned above (his name isn’t there, but I know who it is).

I was literally offended by what occured. Complete and total lack of reverence. Extremely tacky. And don’t even get me started about the remodel job from 1977.

It isn’t very high quality, but below is a link that includes a picture of the worship area of St. Mary Cathedral in Saginaw.

churchofsaginaw.org/journey.htm
(not the official Diocese website, by the way)

The stained glass windows at the top center of the photo are the dome of what used to be the sanctuary.

The white “box” type thing at top center of the picture is the TV screen, with the supports for the organ pipes behind it. The people immedaitely in front of that are the chior.

It’s hard to see, but there is a processional crucifix on the left center edge of the picture. The altar, which is pictured near the right side wall in the picture, is now in the center, in front of the ambo, which is again, hard to see.

There has been a murmur that Bishop Carlson may want to have the Cathedral re-re-modeled to look old again. But that’s just a rumor, so I won’t hold my breath. I also refuse to return to that Cathedral unless I have to for a wedding or funeral or something.

The picture does not do it justice. It is literally offensive just to look at it, let alone sit what they call a mass there. And I’m not exaggerating.
 
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