Bishop Gumbleton says that Church teaching on the subject of homosexuality is “evil”

[bones_IV]

Toni:

The man is now a retired Bishop and Pope Benedict and a million others know of him by now.

I see. What would the standard procedure be in this case? Are there other instances in which he has spoken heresy from the pulpit during his retirement?

 

[Liberalsaved]

goofyjim:

I think everyone already knows how I feel. I’d probably be accused of being “neutral” and destined for the “hottest places in hell”.:yawn:

And I’ll see you there.

 

[Toni]

bones_IV:

I see. What would the standard procedure be in this case? Are there other instances in which he has spoken heresy from the pulpit during his retirement?

For many years. He has been involved in Call to Action etc. you name it he has done it. Most of the time with large fanfare. I thinjk everyone is afraid that he may start a schism since he has many followers.

 

[irenaeus1]

Toni:

For many years. He has been involved in Call to Action etc. you name it he has done it. Most of the time with large fanfare. I thinjk everyone is afraid that he may start a schism since he has many followers.

Yes… for far too many years. He was made a bishop at a rather young age, but never made it above an auxiliary bishop - apparently for good reason. In his case, the only good thing about our aging clergy is that they’re aging.

In Christ,
Irenaeus

 

[Riley259]

GloriaPatri4:

Bishop Gumbleton says that Church teaching on the subject of homosexuality is “evil” in this recent homily.

[nationalcatholicreporter.org/peace/gumb021206.htm](The Peace Pulpit February 12, 2006 -- Sixth Sunday in Ordinary Time)

Given what’s happened in the Church in the last 2000 yrs and Jesus’s statement about sifting the wheat from the chaffe, I’m still amazed sometimes at the level of dissention in the church including bishops. Guess I have to keep praying.

 

[AlanFromWichita]

I suppose hanging him by his thumbs is out of the question…

 

[bones_IV]

Toni:

For many years. He has been involved in Call to Action etc. you name it he has done it. Most of the time with large fanfare. I thinjk everyone is afraid that he may start a schism since he has many followers.

Could the Pope excommunicate him?

 

[Brendan]

Liberalsaved:

Interesting. I do beleive that trying to impose your beleifs on others is a reprehensible thing to do.

By definition, a belief is something that one cannot impose on someone else. How do you make some ‘believe’ something against their will?

 

[Brendan]

And a lot of this has already been discuss on page two of this thread

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=95814&page=2

In addition to being wrong in the subject in general, Bishop Gumbleton even gets the Church’s actual theology wrong.

If he’s going to critize Church teaching on the subject, would it be too much to ask that he get the theology he is critizing correct in the first place.

 

[Brad]

It’s intrinsically disordered. It leads to disease, death, spritiual upheaval and ruined lives (just as other sexually disordered activities do):

buffalonews.com/editorial/20060219/1059610.asp

It’s not like the Church is saying that fornication, adultery, divorce, contraception and other sexual sins are ok. Wasn’t it the Church that received so much “exclusion” criticism about all these past teachings. Is it that homosexuals are being excluded today or are they just vocal and unavoidable?

I would say the ones being excluded today are children. Our society is so wretched that we have men and women of God crusading for adult’s personal sexual desires without even considering how children are being affected. It’s creeping into neglect for the elderly as well. This is radically opposed to the Gospel of Christ, in case Gumbleton was wondering.

 

[Brendan]

Brad:

It’s intrinsically disordered.

Read my post in the link above.

Homosexuality is Objectively Disordered. Homosexual acts are Intrinsically disordered.

The two terms mean different things, and +Gumbleton got that wrong.

 

[Libero]

Could the Pope excommunicate him?

I doubt it, he isn’t that bad - all ordinations into the holy episcopate are of sacred value.

It is very good for people here to go on complaining about all the “evil” the man has commited, but it would appear that His Excellency Bishop Gumbleton has also acheived some good!!!

 

[Detroit_Sue]

Libero:

I doubt it, he isn’t that bad - all ordinations into the holy episcopate are of sacred value.

I think heresy is grounds for excommunication. Bishop or not. This guy just threw the noose over his own neck.

 

[H_Opey]

What I want to know is HOW are we not accepting homosexuals?
It is the lifestyle, not them, that is not acceptable and is scandalous. The fact that he doesn’t make himself clear is confusing and misleading and a lot like Fr. McBrien.

 

[Brendan]

H Opey:

What I want to know is HOW are we not accepting homosexuals?
It is the lifestyle, not them, that is not acceptable and is scandalous. The fact that he doesn’t make himself clear is confusing and misleading and a lot like Fr. McBrien.

That’s exactly the point. The Catholic Church loves homosexuals so much that it would do everything in it’s power to help them change their lives and live according to God’s plan.

There are others who hate homosexuals so much that they would not only LET them live sinful, self destructive lives, but actively encourage it.

 

[St.BJLabre]

A 31-y-o “single” man recently committed suicide in my home town.

I love it how everyone who is older and single is automatically suspected of being a homosexual, heaven forbid anyone be single their whole life, or else they might be stoned by an anti-gay mob

 

[davy39]

irenaeus1:

I will go on record and call this bishop an idiot. Doesn’t the Bible talk about those who call evil, good, and call good, evil. This man fits the bill.

In Christ,
Irenaeus

Maybe he should have a mental exam of some sort. He’s losing it, no doubt.

 

[Libero]

I think heresy is grounds for excommunication. Bishop or not. This guy just threw the noose over his own neck.

I doubt it (I have recognised that you certainly have issues with this bishop - but I am looking at him from a perspective of his work towards peace too, not only a mistake he made earlier).

He has acheived alot, he clearly sticks with the church on a number of matters, and he, as was mentioned, has drawn many to the love of God - he has also contributed strongly to Pax Christi etc. Also, people like Bishop Gaillot may be considered “heretics” but they have been deemed religious or not to stay.

Maybe he should have a mental exam of some sort. He’s losing it, no doubt.

Maybe he visited CAF and saw all of the mean callous attacks people launch against him…

There are others who hate homosexuals so much that they would not only LET them live sinful, self destructive lives, but actively encourage it.

I do not think hate is the correct word to use, but then again, that is merely my humble opinion…

 

[AlanFromWichita]

Brendan:

By definition, a belief is something that one cannot impose on someone else. How do you make some ‘believe’ something against their will?

This is a good point.

This is why I have such a problem with telling people they must believe X or they are being obstinate or misled. Too many Catholics look down their nose at others because they do not completely assent to all Church teachings – as if any human being could actually know what they all are and how they apply to any given situation.

You can explain and invite, but you cannot coerce; therefore there is no point in judging.

Alan

 

[Isidore_AK]

“The streets of Hell are paved with the skulls of bishops”
-St. John Chrysostom

I think there’s anotehr cobblestone coming their way…