Some issues are not like healthcare and immigration where people can disagree on how best to deal with the problems at hand and still be good Catholics. Abortion and gay marriage come to mind. Why do you assume that politically conservative Catholics who support ending abortion would oppose Church teaching on other issues? I think your analogy falls short.
This.
What the heck does this have to do with what I asked? I just want to know what the verse was. Lying about what Jesus said or did not say is pretty serious business.
It’s “a” Franciscan perspective, but the “the” Franciscan perspective. The Franciscans at EWTN are very orthodox in the faith and would not say that it’s okay to vote for a candidate as extremely immoral as Obama.
That’s what I was thinking too.
No, it does not. Your reasoning here is the same many Democrats use. It is even written into the voter’s guide as a acceptable as long as one is not voting for a pro-abortion candidate for the purpose of supporting abortion. Prudential judgement cuts both ways.
Argh, the dreaded Cafeteria Catholic!
News, posting here.Where do you get the idea that the Republican party,specifically Conservative Catholics don’t care about the issues you mention?
I don’t think Ryan supports abortion in cases of rape and incest.
A double argument from silence? Are you kidding? He also never commented on nuclear proliferation. Or military intervention. Or health insurance…
He doesn’t. But just like us, he can justifiably support a candidate like Romney due to the extreme danger of the other choice according to the principle given to us by Pope John Paul II in his Gospel of Life encyclical.
Hey, I could just use Nazis.
We’ll never have a perfect political party. But the Republicans don’t zealously promote abortion and other intrinsic evils the way Democrats do.
The GOP is our only viable alternative, imperfect or not.
I used to be a Democrat until I saw how incompatible it was with being a Catholic. I made the switch in the middle of the election between Bush and Kerry. I started out being for Kerry, but I ended up voting for Bush and have been voting Republican ever since. If Obama wins, God knows I did all I could to try to prevent it.
I agree that the Mass is holy and intimate, but this a lot more than just your usual political situation. The Catholic Church in America has had to take out lawsuits because of Obama’s HHS mandate. This is unprecedented in the history of the USA. And if Obama gets reelected his HHS mandate could force the closures of Catholic hospitals, schools, and other Catholic charities. This would greatly impede the Church’s mission to help the poor. Democrat efforts have already resulted in the closure of Catholic Charities adoption services because they would not give children away to homosexual couples. And who knows what else Obama has planned for adding to this later? So, I don’t see how you can trivialize what’s at stake here.
I don’t see how you can suggest what I’ve said is trivial. It’s the tail wagging the dog. There are places and occasions where all of what you say can be discussed (like this Forum, for example) and Mass isn’t one of them. Mass is for God. Mass is not for Obama. Kronos has no place in Kairos. When we are at Mass we are out of the world. We are with God. How can you receive the Eucharist with thanksgiving in your heart if you’ve been wound up with anxiety about Obama *during *Mass (Lord, protect us from all axiety)? One hour in the week to be free. One hour to be with God alone. Just one. Obama can wait.
But is that a Catholic belief that a political candidate can never be mentioned in a homily or is that an American belief? Another thing is, it’s not like he does it every time. He only did it once. And this is something that was authorized by the bishop.
I don’t know, Catholic Centre parties and traditional Christian Democratic parties come pretty close.
