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Dave_McGrath
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It is what it is. And it is activism. For basic human rights. Your point?
This is my point: Peace
Bishop responds to Boy Scouts' decision on admission of homosexual members [CWN]
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This is my point: Peace
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Dave_McGrath
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Yep. Twin studies, the theory of epigenetics, and the study of crones (old women) give us the reason why.
I really like your questions and your observations.
Peace.
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gilliam
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The Boy Scouts are not, and never have been, a social advocacy or political organization. No member may use Scouting to promote or advance any social or political position or agenda. We leave that to others. it keeps us from being someone’s pawn. This goes for liberal and conservative causes. For example, there was a time not too long ago that the Republican Party wanted the Boy Scouts to be a symbol of their party. We said “no thanks.” It has always been this way
Our purpose is restricted to the following: From our congressional charter (US Code, Title 36, Chapter 309 ):
The purposes of the corporation are to promote, through organization, and cooperation with other agencies, the ability of boys to do things for themselves and others, to train them in scoutcraft, and to teach them patriotism, courage, self-reliance, and kindred virtues, using the methods that were in common use by boy scouts on June 15, 1916.
More info here:
scouting.org/sitecore/content/MembershipStandards/Resolution/FAQ.aspx
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Dave_McGrath
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I just proved that Boy Scouts can provide the same Color Guard and Honor Guard at Gay Pride Parades and Festivals that they provide everywhere else for any other civic or cultural celebration.
Indeed… I just wrote the manual on it.
After action review is here:
oldscoutspromise.blogspot.com/2013/06/day-34-patriotic-duty.html
Manual is here:
facebook.com/ScoutsForEquality?fref=ts (look for Happy Pride Month!)
Thank you for your lovely questions. They are very helpful.
Peace.
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gilliam
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And you want to kick an 11 year old out of the Scouts solely for telling you he is SSA?
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pnewton
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Either your senses or your logic deceive you. If you have read anything I have had to say on the subject fear is not an emotion with which I will address this issue if it ever comes to my own pack and troop. As far as someone who promotes homosexuality and disregards the rules, I will never trust such a one with children as that is one of the warning signs of sexual predation. If you had taken the proper training you would know this.
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Dave_McGrath
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Oh? It’s part of our DNA. It’s the very thing we do and are. I’ve earned my Citizenship in the Community, Nation and World merit badges on my trail to Eagle.
Our Federal Charter - Title 36 Chapter 309 of the United States Code tells us we are a “patriotic organizaton.”
One of our most brilliant successes was defending women in 1913 (BSA was only 3 years old) from the police during the woman’s sufferage movement. Boys defending their mothers. What could be more patriotic or American than that?
Conclusive proof the BSA are Useful
“Politics?” Whatever could that mean? Everything is political. Even my silence for 22 years after the codification of the anti-gay secret memo into policy in 1991. I thought I was being respectful. Instead, I allowed my silence to let evil win.
Silent. No. More.
You are thoughtful. Thank you for your questions. It reminds me how much I love the principles and values of the Boy Scouts of America.
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BroomWagon
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I did not ask this but now that you bring it up, I personally would find it highly doubtful and dubious that an 11 year old would know his sexual orientation at that age. So, probably so actually on the notion that I find the concept of an 11 year old knowing this to be highly questionable.
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pnewton
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This is a Catholic forum, not a gay pride forum. I think your comments here will serve as demonstration that their are plenty of agenda-driven homosexual activists out there ready to push for greater acceptance of this immoral behavior that is destroying souls. If object because I do not want to see the Boy Scouts destroyed by politcal activism and sexualization of children. I believe your comments will do nothing to convert Catholic away from Catholicism, but will serve as an impetus to abandon the BSA. I will not though. I will stay and fight *all *threats to the safety of children, including the continual encroachment of homosexual activists. You may not agree with NAMBLA about sex before eight or it’s too late, but sexuality in the context of scouting at all is little improvement.
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Dave_McGrath
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“According to current scientific and professional understanding, the core attractions that form the basis for adult sexual orientation typically emerge between middle childhood and early adolescence. These patterns of emotional, romantic, and sexual attraction may arise without any prior sexual experience. People can be celibate and still know their sexual orientation-–be it lesbian, gay, bisexual, or heterosexual.”
apa.org/helpcenter/sexual-orientation.aspx
Then I don’t want you as a teacher, scoutmaster, sunday school teacher, or anywhere around kids. Sorry.
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Or, educate yourself to the reality of the data. Some kids know when they are quite young. The attitude you describe above is the attitude that requires correction.
I apologize if I offend. However, that attitude is the core of the problem. It is irrational. But if it is not pathological, then you’ll get over it.
I hope you get over it before you have a gay child, grandchild, niece of nephew. Although the data show that it is unlikely to change until you have a primary relationship with someone gay.
Truly. Peace. And blessings.
Please let me know if I understood you incorrectly. I understood your response to be “If I knew an 11 year old was gay, I’d kick him out of a Boy Scout troop/pack.” I’d like to delete this post if I didn’t understand you properly.
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pnewton
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Someone used the frog in the water analogy earlier. I never really liked it because it is sort of a myth. But still, if we consider the analogy true, what we are seeing here is a mistake on the part of homosexual activists. I think they are seeing a little heat going unnoticed and turned up the heat to “blast furnace”, what with all this marching and statements that this first step is not enough. I see a backlash coming.
Like I have always said though, for the sake of the kids that need help, I will keep fighting for the BSA. Locally, I am open to any, not so that sin can be accepted, but so that sin can be recognized for what it is, in the case of sex outside of marriage, as gravely immoral; in the case of homosexuality, as immoral and gravely disordered, as per Catholic teaching.
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Dave_McGrath
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I hope you are not right - and that the BSA remembers its own values and hews to them. And rids themselves of the 1991 and 2013 policies of LGBT discrimination.
Because, until they do, this will not stop.
This is a rescue mission. It is messy. We will make mistakes as we help the BSA understand this is an existential crises for them and they’ve got to get it right. This is the “refiner’s fire.”
They control the off button: Remove the policies of 1991 and 2013. Full stop.
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BroomWagon
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Oh, how tolerant for only asking if an 11 year old knows their sexual orientation to launch a personal attack because someone does not know science inside out.
Is that the best you got?? 
Very telling. Wow you certainly have all the answers to this.I don’t buy your human rights argument either, gays are not denied voting, have to sit at the back of the bus.
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Okay, cite one example where an 11 year old knew their sexual orientation and was kept out of the Boy Scouts because he was openly gay. Just name an example of an 11 year old who knew they had a gay sexual orientation at that age? Surely, you have material on that??
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gilliam
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Your welcome. There are a lot of things to like about the BSA.
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Dave_McGrath
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Nope. The policy is what I am trying to fix. The policy makes it possible. Find your own data: I’m not going to do your work for you. That’s your work.
Peace.
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gilliam
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They weren’t marching for the cause in this event. They were helping the police in crowd control.
Pax
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BroomWagon
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Of course you say nope, you don’t have any backup and guess what folks? There’s no work to do, you just want us to accept your word 11 year olds know their sexual orientation at that age?
Yeah, this really makes sense. Should we take your word about anything??I don’t think it is shown in this webpage either that the poster cited: apa.org/helpcenter/sexual-orientation.aspx
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gilliam
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Frankly, me too. Also what a boy says at 11 may be very different than what he says at 12, 13, 14, 15 and/or 16
One of the purposes of the program is to help the boy formation during this period. So it really doesn’t matter to me much what he says when he is 11. That is why I am against kicking him out simply for telling me he is SSA (which is the current policy and why I advocated changing it.) You can’t help a boy if you shut the door in his face.
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Dave_McGrath
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It’s political action, which ever side of the fence you sit. Nullifying the contention of BSA HQs and rendering their argument useless.
As proven last week in Salt Lake City… and this weekend it will be proven again, and again, and again.
Watch closely. This is how we git 'er done. There is a blessing on the other side. Stand or sit with us as you are comfortable or able. We worship at the altar of principle, not policy.
Peace.
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BroomWagon
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It looks like different sources say different things but this above does show definitely a tendency towards teen years and this has been discussed here already.
Interesting for a Champion of Gay Rights to assert 11 year olds know their sexual orientation though.
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