Bishop responds to Boy Scouts' decision on admission of homosexual members [CWN]

[gilliam]

I tend to agree

Also, I don’t think what four disobedient Scouters do in Utah has that much to do with me pulling my kids out or keeping my kids in a program in another state.

 

[Brendan]

I would agree with both PNewton and Gilliam.

I wonder when NCCS will issue any statement regarding some of the groups forming up, specifically in regards to the religious award medals.

NFCYM opened them up, not to just GSUSA, but Camp Fire, AHG and, at diocesan discretion, parish activities such as Little Flowers and even youth groups.

NCCS currently lists as part of the requirements that the person has to be a registered Scout. Why not Columbian Squires, for example? And if this “Scouts of St. George” takes off, does that qualify as being a ‘registered Scout’, or a WOSM Catholic Scouting org from another country?

Or, if NCCS is going to be specifically dedicated to the BSA, will the USCCB establish another org to provide similar services to other Catholic boy development programs?

It would be nice to get some clarification on that, maybe after Catholic week at Philemon.

 

[on_the_hill]

I ask again…

Would a truly straight scout (who was not suffering from an anti-social pathological condition) sexually harass his fellow boy scouts?

I have the same answer: I don’t know.

Would a truly gay scout (who was not suffering from an anti-social pathological condition) sexually harass his fellow boy scouts?

 

[Joe_5859]

I would agree with both PNewton and Gilliam.

I wonder when NCCS will issue any statement regarding some of the groups forming up, specifically in regards to the religious award medals.

NFCYM opened them up, not to just GSUSA, but Camp Fire, AHG and, at diocesan discretion, parish activities such as Little Flowers and even youth groups.

NCCS currently lists as part of the requirements that the person has to be a registered Scout. Why not Columbian Squires, for example? And if this “Scouts of St. George” takes off, does that qualify as being a ‘registered Scout’, or a WOSM Catholic Scouting org from another country?

Or, if NCCS is going to be specifically dedicated to the BSA, will the USCCB establish another org to provide similar services to other Catholic boy development programs?

It would be nice to get some clarification on that, maybe after Catholic week at Philemon.

Interesting questions. I’m not sure how it will play out. Looking at the history, NCCGSCF is just an arm of NFCYM which itself sprang from the bishop’s conference. With this closer institutional connection, it seems to me easier for them to open things up.

It is something NCCS will have to address at some point. It’s probably way too soon to speculate what NCCS will do in that regard. I would expect whatever happens to happen very slowly.

 

[april32010]

Gay men are still men.

and why don’t they act like it ? men have sex with women ,not men.

 

[Brendan]

Interesting questions. I’m not sure how it will play out. Looking at the history, NCCGSCF is just an arm of NFCYM which itself sprang from the bishop’s conference. With this closer institutional connection, it seems to me easier for them to open things up.

It is something NCCS will have to address at some point. It’s probably way too soon to speculate what NCCS will do in that regard. I would expect whatever happens to happen very slowly.

And we’ll make sure to run the medals for the Pack and Troop before the end of the year

 

[april32010]

Would a truly gay scout (who was not suffering from an anti-social pathological condition) sexually harass his fellow boy scouts?

by definition a ssa person is suffering an anti-social pathological condition

 

[Joe_5859]

And we’ll make sure to run the medals for the Pack and Troop before the end of the year

 

[on_the_hill]

by definition a ssa person is suffering an anti-social pathological condition

Of course. I was tempted to answer the question myself.

 

[on_the_hill]

and why don’t they act like it ? men have sex with women ,not men.

What about men that have taken a vow of chastity and celibacy?

 

[Sonic]

Would a truly gay scout (who was not suffering from an anti-social pathological condition) sexually harass his fellow boy scouts?

Of course. I was tempted to answer the question myself.

So you believe SSA is related to conditions like ASPD?

 

[Sonic]

anima muliebris in corpore virili inclusa

Funny you should bring that up…

Interesting enough, I have found similar beliefs to Mulrich’s “a female psyche confined in a male” body amongst some Therians and Furries (when I spent time studying their developing subculture). Some of them also believe they have an animal psyche, and have created elaborate personal belief systems surrounding those ideas. Much of the sexual preference is some furries is based on the choice of their alter-ego’s gender or gender role. The world is a very interesting place.

Why the hell would a male engage in sex with another male unless there was no other sexual outlets such as in prison, money or they were sexually attracted to males?

Well, there is a whole list of reasons ranging from anger to the need for attention… even philosophical and religious practices (Tantric practices and some forms of witchcraft). Without giving a lengthy list, let me cite you an example from my notes (I won’t reveal any names and try not to give graphic details):

There were two men who shared an intimate relationship with each other. Both men were cross-dressers and had developed female personas for their identities. One man, was an infantlist, and wanted to be and act as a toddler. His fantasy was to be taken care by a mother figure. The other man had the fantasy of being a mother and a child to take care of. He became the mother figure for the other man. This was the bond that tied the two men together. It seems sex would not be required for such a relationship. Yet, the two adult men were intimate with each other sexually during role-play sessions.

The case was far more complicated and included other infantlists, but you can see this was not a case that involved a relationship anywhere close to what most people would imagine, and definitely not a case of simple SSA.

I quite honestly hate it when people just claim themselves as gay without them actually being attracted to the same sex because it creates an inability to properly discuss things.

Unfortunately, there’s nothing that can be done about that. There is no litmus test for determining who can use the term gay and who can’t.

 

[NeedImprovement]

I should just leave this conversation to you as you debate much better than I.

I sure hope you reconsider. You encourage the rest of us who speak on behalf of the truth in order to refute those who aim to obscure it. You provide a heartbeat to the debate when you bring your mother’s perspective to it . We do not benefit from a mother’s perspective nearly enough on this topic and on what the gay militants are doing to children in general. Mothers are central to this issue. Mothers are also, according to Cardinal Joseph Mindsenty’s *Tribute to Mothers *,

“. . . closer to God the creator than any other creature.”

In participating, you keep the most pertinent question at the fore. The question is implied in some other fine posts on the thread by some of our members ; for example

Brendan:

Remember, the goal for Catholic parents is not to focus on the health of the BSA, but the health and well being of their children. If the BSA suits their needs, great, but no parent should be called to avoid doing what is best for their children simply because it would benefit the BSA.

The question has slight variations but is based on this assertion :

“Who are you to try and tell me what is best, what is most wholesome for my child ?” , or , “Who are you to take away my sacred right to ensure the well-being of my own child, and to let you do what you want with my child instead ?” While they avoid this direct confrontation like the plague, they get away with it anyway by lying sneaking and intimidating their way there - all of the time denying it and trying to call it something else.

All too unfortunately , Judas is alive and well - as is Pilate.

Pilate and Judas are both alive in the politician and the judge who, for the sake of job security betray the trust conferred on them by parents, and who simply fit the coward mold too perfectly to be able to to say “no” to the gay agenda. These so-called “representatives” were elected to ensure the safety of peoples’ children in society. Instead, out of fear , they bow down to a perverted god even if it means offering every single one of other peoples’ children as a sacrificial lamb to the god of homosexuality - to the ultimate goal of the homosexual agenda. And that should be an indicator to everyone just how depraved, how evil their agenda is.

Judas is also alive in those voting members of BSA. The voting members of BSA also have betrayed the trust that parents conferred on them to ensure the well-being of their children.

We should’ve been wise enough by now to see it coming. Seeing as it’s basically the same modus operandi :

debate → vote → legislation.

The homosexual activists/lobby, will not tolerate anything which either says or implies the truth that active homosexuality is wrong- or not normal, or immoral. As one author put it , they will tolerate no opinion other than their own.

 

[NeedImprovement]

. . . One can technically say that there are no cases of women (word deleted) anyone in England, but the fact that for it to be rape in England the perpetrator must (word deleted) the victim with his (word deleted) is a very important qualifier.

. . . This also isn’t child abuse.

Pungently offensive, and apparently not only to me :

You have homosexuality confused with same sex attraction. Homosexuality is willed and desired by the person, SSA is not. I am going to stop replying to you because you insist on using graphic and disgusting language.

BTW , it is *child abuse *- abuse of the worst kind : part of an expansive child abuse which the gay lobby is committing , with the assistance of sometimes unwitting abettors.

Then , just when you figure someone couldn’t outdo themselves in terms of being offensive , they somehow do still find a way. . . utterly amazing !

In reply to sonic’s question
"sonic:

Now, how about you tell me what time you have spent working around the gay community, and tell us about how much research you dedicate each day to the matter

. . . this response was posted:

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anima muliebris in corpore virili inclusa

I wonder if the Guinness Book of Records has any category listed as “most unlikely responses from someone listing themselves as Catholic” . . .

For anyone who hasn’t done the homework , *anima muliebris in corpore virili inclusa * is the unChristian theory of a woman’s soul being trapped in a man’s body .

This is , in all truth, an insult to God.

At the moment of conception, it is God who gives the soul – the man and the woman are co-creators with God at conception. So the presupposition of anima muliebris in corpore virili inclusa is that God the Creator made the mistake - He put the wrong soul with the wrong body.

We’ve just been reminded how close in proximity Cardinal Mindszenty places a mother with God the Creator. Well, look how far from God the Creator , granting any credibility to, or adherence to, or promotion of *anima muliebris in corpore virili inclusa * places someone . . . with an insult to boot. :doh2:

 

[gilliam]

Scouts’ policy change said to be ‘not in conflict’ with church teaching

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catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1302430.htm

 

[on_the_hill]

So you believe SSA is related to conditions like ASPD?

No, I was being sarcastic. Which, when it doesn’t come across that way, is like a joke that you have to explain, and then the joke’s not funny because you had to explain it.

What I meant by my answer is that I knew someone would claim that SSA/gay/homosexual/whatever is by definition sociopathic.

 

[Sonic]

No, I was being sarcastic. Which, when it doesn’t come across that way, is like a joke that you have to explain, and then the joke’s not funny because you had to explain it.

What I meant by my answer is that I knew someone would claim that SSA/gay/homosexual/whatever is by definition sociopathic.

Gotcha! I understand now.

 

[Dakota_Roberts]

I have the same answer: I don’t know.

Would a truly gay scout (who was not suffering from an anti-social pathological condition) sexually harass his fellow boy scouts?

Depends how sexual harassment is defined, but if we are going by American legal standards then no more than heterosexual men not suffering from an anti-social pathological condition.

and why don’t they act like it ? men have sex with women ,not men.

Adam was a man before there was Eve.

Funny you should bring that up…

Interesting enough, I have found similar beliefs to Mulrich’s “a female psyche confined in a male” body amongst some Therians and Furries (when I spent time studying their developing subculture). Some of them also believe they have an animal psyche, and have created elaborate personal belief systems surrounding those ideas. Much of the sexual preference is some furries is based on the choice of their alter-ego’s gender or gender role. The world is a very interesting place.

Well, there is a whole list of reasons ranging from anger to the need for attention… even philosophical and religious practices (Tantric practices and some forms of witchcraft). Without giving a lengthy list, let me cite you an example from my notes (I won’t reveal any names and try not to give graphic details):

There were two men who shared an intimate relationship with each other. Both men were cross-dressers and had developed female personas for their identities. One man, was an infantlist, and wanted to be and act as a toddler. His fantasy was to be taken care by a mother figure. The other man had the fantasy of being a mother and a child to take care of. He became the mother figure for the other man. This was the bond that tied the two men together. It seems sex would not be required for such a relationship. Yet, the two adult men were intimate with each other sexually during role-play sessions.

The case was far more complicated and included other infantlists, but you can see this was not a case that involved a relationship anywhere close to what most people would imagine, and definitely not a case of simple SSA.

Unfortunately, there’s nothing that can be done about that. There is no litmus test for determining who can use the term gay and who can’t.

I don’t actually agree with that phrase as it is heretical.

So anger (rape?), attention (which people will do all sorts of things for and neo-paganism?

Considering their maleness was an incidental factor that’s not gay.

I honestly feel sorry for them

Like a lot of other things, especially which sports team they are fans of (stupid bandwagoners).

Pungently offensive, and apparently not only to me :

BTW , it is *child abuse *- abuse of the worst kind : part of an expansive child abuse which the gay lobby is committing , with the assistance of sometimes unwitting abettors.

Then , just when you figure someone couldn’t outdo themselves in terms of being offensive , they somehow do still find a way. . . utterly amazing !

In reply to sonic’s question
. . . this response was posted:

I wonder if the Guinness Book of Records has any category listed as “most unlikely responses from someone listing themselves as Catholic” . . .

For anyone who hasn’t done the homework , *anima muliebris in corpore virili inclusa * is the unChristian theory of a woman’s soul being trapped in a man’s body .

This is , in all truth, an insult to God.

At the moment of conception, it is God who gives the soul – the man and the woman are co-creators with God at conception. So the presupposition of anima muliebris in corpore virili inclusa is that God the Creator made the mistake - He put the wrong soul with the wrong body.

We’ve just been reminded how close in proximity Cardinal Mindszenty places a mother with God the Creator. Well, look how far from God the Creator , granting any credibility to, or adherence to, or promotion of *anima muliebris in corpore virili inclusa * places someone . . . with an insult to boot. :doh2:

You are aware that both English and American law uses the terms “penis” and “penetrate” right?

Not legally

Actually that is a quote which was used to define what/why a homosexual was and which I personally heavily disagree with.

 

[Momofmyangels]

Indeed, it is morally reprehensible for people to despoil the innocence of children by teaching them to irrationally fear groping by certain people.

Please do not assume that a parent is teaching a child to “irrationally fear” when they are protecting their child from harm. It is the parent’s duty to protect their children. No one is going to do it for them in such a manner that will equal the protection offered by a parent.

 

[Momofmyangels]

I sure hope you reconsider. You encourage the rest of us who speak on behalf of the truth in order to refute those who aim to obscure it. You provide a heartbeat to the debate when you bring your mother’s perspective to it . We do not benefit from a mother’s perspective nearly enough on this topic and on what the gay militants are doing to children in general. Mothers are central to this issue. Mothers are also, according to Cardinal Joseph Mindsenty’s *Tribute to Mothers *,

In participating, you keep the most pertinent question at the fore. The question is implied in some other fine posts on the thread by some of our members ; for example

The question has slight variations but is based on this assertion :

“Who are you to try and tell me what is best, what is most wholesome for my child ?” , or , “Who are you to take away my sacred right to ensure the well-being of my own child, and to let you do what you want with my child instead ?” While they avoid this direct confrontation like the plague, they get away with it anyway by lying sneaking and intimidating their way there - all of the time denying it and trying to call it something else.

All too unfortunately , Judas is alive and well - as is Pilate.

Pilate and Judas are both alive in the politician and the judge who, for the sake of job security betray the trust conferred on them by parents, and who simply fit the coward mold too perfectly to be able to to say “no” to the gay agenda. These so-called “representatives” were elected to ensure the safety of peoples’ children in society. Instead, out of fear , they bow down to a perverted god even if it means offering every single one of other peoples’ children as a sacrificial lamb to the god of homosexuality - to the ultimate goal of the homosexual agenda. And that should be an indicator to everyone just how depraved, how evil their agenda is.

Judas is also alive in those voting members of BSA. The voting members of BSA also have betrayed the trust that parents conferred on them to ensure the well-being of their children.

We should’ve been wise enough by now to see it coming. Seeing as it’s basically the same modus operandi :

debate → vote → legislation.

The homosexual activists/lobby, will not tolerate anything which either says or implies the truth that active homosexuality is wrong- or not normal, or immoral. As one author put it , they will tolerate no opinion other than their own.

NeedImprovement, thank you!