Bishop Robert Carlson - Sioux Falls

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frommi:
How different would our church look if every single bishop…conservative, liberal, etc. was only concerned with one thing before they spoke “is what I’m saying the truth?”.
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Frommi,

I will say that in the past I’ve been less than pleased with some of your views, but in this case, I must applaud you and say that this is exactly where we need to be looking! If every CATHOLIC… not just bishop would take on this attitude! We wouldn’t have to worry about pews with kneelers or where the tabernacle is placed, etc. If we follow and speak only TRUTH, which in its form would be orthodoxy, not false truth, which is heterodoxy, then we could be a much more peaceful bunch!

I will join ranks in saying that as I have read this posts, I am happy to see that the Catholic Weekly has had articles by Bishop Carlson every week during December! I hadn’t seen many previous to that.

Good people of Saginaw, you have a good and Holy Bishop. He was my bishop for 11 years (1 as Coadjutor and 10 as Ordinary). He will lead you as best as he can.

Prayer does a lot for people, especially myself. Does it matter whether we have kneelers or if we hold hands during the Pater Noster or what we do? Yes. Christ set up his church and left sinful humans in charge, but he also gave the church his Holy Spirit to guide them.

Catholic means “Universal.” We need to be doing the same things in all of our parishes so that we can be fully Catholic, but to close and tie this all in, as Frommi said, if we are speaking the Truth and following the Truth, then we shouldn’t worry. If we follow the Way, the Truth and the Life which is Jesus, we will follow the Holy Ctholic Church, and Pope Benedict.

You wanna know the Truth? You wanna know the Truth!
WE CAN HANDLE THE TRUTH!

God bless you all!
 
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bknebel:
Frommi,

I will say that in the past I’ve been less than pleased with some of your views, but in this case, I must applaud you and say that this is exactly where we need to be looking! If every CATHOLIC… not just bishop would take on this attitude! We wouldn’t have to worry about pews with kneelers or where the tabernacle is placed, etc. If we follow and speak only TRUTH, which in its form would be orthodoxy, not false truth, which is heterodoxy, then we could be a much more peaceful bunch!

Catholic means “Universal.” We need to be doing the same things in all of our parishes so that we can be fully Catholic, but to close and tie this all in, as Frommi said, if we are speaking the Truth and following the Truth, then we shouldn’t worry. If we follow the Way, the Truth and the Life which is Jesus, we will follow the Holy Ctholic Church, and Pope Benedict.

You wanna know the Truth? You wanna know the Truth!
WE CAN HANDLE THE TRUTH!

God bless you all!
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Catholic does mean universal…but I firmly believe that we can achieve “one-ness” without needing to resort to “same-ness”. Now, that’s a belief I personally hold, and don’t really look at it as heretical to think so.

Truth is certainly not a subjective matter, but it seems to me that what we know to be the ‘truth’ is dwarfed by the things that we are still on a human journey to discover.

What frightens me more often than not is when we practice relativism around really important issues (like "The murderer deserves the death penalty), and fail to see things in a relative light that are made small by the unimaginable power of God (like whether we need to kneel, stand, use a communion rail, etc).

I absolutely believe beyond question that if everyone who was involved in this thread sat in a room together we would, with very little prompting, agree on 90% of the universal churches teachings and practices…there would probably be anothe 8% that we had some difficulty understanding and practicing…and 2% we were very troubled by.

Let me give you an example…

It troubles me when people fail to give credit to the former bishop for the good he did accomplish (millions of people read his little books to this day for prayer and reflection…he brought a city together to the point that they named a hall after him posthumously), etc.

I find it equally troubling when I hear people demonize the new bishop (my favorite being a statement that he “pre-vatican II-ed” (an odd verb to be sure) the chapel at the center for ministry. He didn’t do that, he put in some kneelers, put a corpus on the cross, etc. To say he “pre-vatican IIed” something is very irresponsible and uncharitable.

When groups of people love something the way many people love the church, there is bound to be some disagreement. But I shrug in amazement that we can allow ourself to be bothered to such a great degree about the degree of GIRM implementation in our home parishes.
 
FromMi,

You are correct in saying that being universal is not being the same.

I’m not going to argue, because this forum is not for arguing, but discussing Bishop Carlson in his time in Saginaw.

I am rather happy to hear that he did some work on the chapel. A Corpus on the Cross and kneelers is a good thing- helps facilitate proper worship, as the Vatican has asked us to.

God Bless Bishop Carlson and his work! I pray that the people of Saginaw will flourish under Bishop Carlson and his leadership.
 
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bknebel:
FromMi,
God Bless Bishop Carlson and his work! I pray that the people of Saginaw will flourish under Bishop Carlson and his leadership.
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And I sincerely hope that you will flourish under the leadership of the successor to the apostles chosen to lead the people of Sioux Falls.
 
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FatherTodd:
I was ordained by Bishop Carlson and he is my Bishop for at least a few more weeks. I can tell you we are devastated about the announcement of his transfer. First of all because we are losing him. He is a father and friend to many of us. Second that we can’t even be happy for him because his new assignment is so bad.

That being said we rejoice for the orthodox catholics of the Diocese of Saginaw because the Lord heard the cry of the poor. Bishop Carlson is orthodox. There is no question of that. I left my home diocese so I could study under him. But more than that he is what a Bishop should be. Even more important is he is a true man of prayer who loves Jesus Christ. He is a true believer and I love him dearly for that and thank God for that in my life.

That being said and after having read some of the people from Saginaw’s posts I would like to offer you some suggestions. As a priest I am a spiritual father to you in the ontological realm even though I might not have met you directly. Also given my love for Bishop and my knowledge of him I think that what I would like to suggest would allow you to help him to help you.

You don’t need to write a letter to tell him of the abuses. Everyone knows the abuses. That is what has sickened most of us about the appointment. Our Bishop is going to Calvary. But as a priest that is where he is supposed to go.

You can write him letters of support and encouragement. Leave the abuses out. Everyone knows about them. Tell him you love him. Tell him He is an answer to a prayer. Ask him to call upon you if he needs anything. Don’t offer suggestions. He prays a holy hour everyday and will take his direction from the Lord. Be loving Children because God has provided you with a wonderful Father. God has fulfilled his promise Pastores Dabo Vobis. He gave you a shepherd after his own heart.

But more importantly you need to storm the gates of heaven with prayer for my Bishop and your soon to be Bishop. Prayer and Fasting. Especially the rosary and holy hours. This is not a battle against flesh and blood. It truly is spiritual warefare. Read Eph 6:10-20 everyday. Pray it and live it. Pray the St. Michael prayer every day. This is how you help him. This is what he needs to provide you with what you need and so desperately desire.

Pray.

When he does come and he starts projects you need to get behind him with your time, talent and treasure in a very sacrificial way. Lots of sacrifices are being made to bring him to you. Now you need to go to the cross with him.

That is the best advice I can give you. It is the advice of a priest who dearly loves his Bishop and wants to see him get waht he needs. I will do my part. I hope you do yours.

I will be at the installation and maybe will be able to meet some of you there. Please say hello. I’m the big guy with the Marine haircut.

Seeing your hopeful responses has offered me hope. I am glad there will be people there to love and appreciate him. Trust me you will.

If you would like to ask more questions please feel free to contact me through my blog in the comments box.
fathertodd.com/blog/

I will be praying for you and for Bishop Carlson. Truly the Lord has blessed you.
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Wonderful advice.I am glad to see it
 
I’ll second that, 199. Fr. Todd is a close friend of mine and that great advice given over a year ago is still pertinent and hopefully is coming to light.
 
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bknebel:
I’ll second that, 199. Fr. Todd is a close friend of mine and that great advice given over a year ago is still pertinent and hopefully is coming to light.
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I would just hope that people are over the idea of Saginaw being the personal Calvary of Robert Carlson. Which to this day might be the one single thing in these forums that I found to be the most unelightened statement made
 
I’ll agree. You see, Frommi, Those of us in Sioux Falls were told of the great obstacles that were to meet the good Bishop. He was going to be met with nothing but oppostion to TRUE Catholic Doctrine and worship.

I have not seen any instances where it has become Calvary for Bishop, but he definitely has some issues in Liturgy and Catechetics that need to be addressed. This is definitely the truth. I’ve spoken to people within the Diocese and I subscribe to the Catholic Weekly.

I will say, that Bishop may not have had a personal Calvary by coming to Saginaw, but he has some work ahead of him, and God willing it will come to be fruitful for the great people of the Catholic Diocese of Saginaw.
 
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frommi:
I would just hope that people are over the idea of Saginaw being the personal Calvary of Robert Carlson. Which to this day might be the one single thing in these forums that I found to be the most unelightened statement made
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Ahhhhh, just when we were doing so well. It seems to me that everyone has moved on from that. Why bring it up?
 
SingerLady, Please read my post i just posted… do you agree with what I’ve said?? you are someone within the diocese! FromMi and I both are not.
 
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bknebel:
SingerLady, Please read my post i just posted… do you agree with what I’ve said?? you are someone within the diocese! FromMi and I both are not.
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I agree with part of what you have said, Basil. I never expected full opposition to Bishop Carlson, and I never called Saginaw a Calvary, although given where we were at the time, I don’t think it was unenlightened at all. We still have priests in this diocese who are sympathetic to gay marriage and to the gay lifestyle, who will not teach newcomers what the Church teaches on homosexuality, who do not view Redemptionis Sacramentum as anything other than the rantings of an egocentric cardinal, and who think that they know liturgy better than Bishop Carlson. That being said, there are many priests here who see in Bishop Carlson a truly holy man who operates from his relationship with God - not from any personal power trip - and in obedience to his own superiors. Some of the priests in Saginaw still need to come to that humility. I have seen much growth in several of our priests, in others, sad to say, I have not.
 
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bknebel:
Thanks, Singerlady. How have you seen his reception among laity?
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For the most part Bishop Carlson is being well-received personally. I do get impatient with the ones who use phrases such as “we’re moving backward.” These people are hard to talk to because they are the same ones who love to chant the doxology along with the priest and can’t wait for the day a women will be ordained. In the beginning I tried to point out that perhaps we hadn’t moved forward at all. Perhaps we had gotten off the track. There are many who came to Catholicism here in Saginaw because they liked what they saw in the liberality of liturgy and the progressiveness of thought such as the “empowerment” (not my term, I feel plenty powerful doing what I’m called to do) of women. Interestingly enough, our newest Catholics and those coming into the Church this year for the Easter sacraments are much more orthodox. Some of our candidates have introduced me to some lovely recordings of the Rosary. These people want Catholicism in all it’s glory - not the stripped down version that passes for enlightenment these days.
 
Glad to hear it, SingerLady. Orthodoxy is a great thing to cherish. Tell us more about the Diocese since Bishop Carlson came to you.

I’m really curious to as to hear the effects of an Orthodox Bishop upon a diocese that isn’t exaclty ‘orthodox’.

FromMi- Don’t worry. I’m just trying to get the people’s views, whether or not it matches what you think should happen in your former Diocese. I’m attempting here to get the story out- that Bishop Carlson is not on Calvary, nor is he going around the diocese of Saginaw with his "Crosier a-Blazing’ but is using his Gentle, Pastoral touch to bring the people of Saginaw back in line with what the Vatican has asked the faithful and clergy to be.

Anyone else here that has experienced the Diocese of Saginaw first hand since Bishop Carlson has arrived (back to the original intent of this thread!)

EKindermann, Flower, MSProule, are you around?
 
The good Bishop has taken a number of seminarians/candidates to the Catholic Radio Station in Ann Arbor to record the rosary. I understand that the KofC will produce 20,000 copies for distribution, and that the rosary will then be said daily (broadcast) for one year — for vocations alone.
 
The Rosary CD is done and available for $7. I received one for Christmas, and have it in my car. I decided that since I have trouble devoting time at home to the Rosary, I would instead say it in the car as I’m driving.

The Bishop said that he passed out copies when he was in Rome in December for a celebration of a priest’s jubilee, if I remember correctly.

And I need to update a post I made earlier – lay homilizing at Mass will end at Lent.
 
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bknebel:
Anyone else here that has experienced the Diocese of Saginaw first hand since Bishop Carlson has arrived (back to the original intent of this thread!)

EKindermann, Flower, MSProule, are you around?
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I’m still here! However, I am not in the Saginaw Diocese, either. I am sort of wedged between Lansing and Detroit.
 
MsProule- I’m sorry!!! i thought you were from Saginaw. STill, do you see any changes and fruits in Michigan from His Excellency, Bishop Carlson being in Saginaw?

SagGal- Thats what I do when I’m traveling between College and my parent’s ranch! Also glad to hear that Lay Homilies will end. This is definitely something that Rome has said needs to stop EVERYWHERE.

I will say that there are a few priests I wish someone could preach for here in South Dakota, but out of respect for their priestly office, they are the ones that preach, not us.
 
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saggal:
The Rosary CD is done and available for $7. I received one for Christmas, and have it in my car. I decided that since I have trouble devoting time at home to the Rosary, I would instead say it in the car as I’m driving.

The Bishop said that he passed out copies when he was in Rome in December for a celebration of a priest’s jubilee, if I remember correctly.

And I need to update a post I made earlier – lay homilizing at Mass will end at Lent.
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Oh hurry Lent! Last Sunday the priestess encouraged the children she called to surround her for her homily that the girls can continue to hope that one day they TOO will become priests!!

To be continued from Purgatory Cove…
 
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Oh hurry Lent! Last Sunday the priestess encouraged the children she called to surround her for her homily that the girls can continue to hope that one day they TOO will become priests!!

To be continued from Purgatory Cove…
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sounds like you need an exorcist for that priestLess person
 
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