Bishop says Notre Dame is wrong to honor Joe Biden

[ComplineSanFran]

Here is what Bishops in the Catholic Church have to say about Biden’s position on abortion:

ewtn.com/library/bishops/ChaputBiden.htm

catholicaction.org/bishop_slattery_issues_response_to_pelosi_biden_abortion_remarks

Bishop Slattery says Biden’s “justification for continuing to allow Roe v. Wade to stand” is “incompatible with Catholic teaching.”

And Mr Biden believes it is a personal decision. They disagree. The two Bishops cited above are not his Bishops; they are speaking in general, which is perfectly fine. They don’t have responsibility, however, for Mr Biden’s religious practice.

BTW, the Vice President would have no legislative or legal ability to change Roe v Wade. What do the Bishops think he would be able to do?

 

[ComplineSanFran]

You’ve changed the subject again.
First you claimed that Biden’s public service was cool with his bishops and priests. But the reality is different than that, given the quotes from Church folk referenced above.

So are you claiming that he is cool with his bishops and priests or not?
Being honored by Notre Dame does not make him in step with his bishop.

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I have no inside information on Mr Biden’s conversations with his two priests and two Bishops. What I said was ‘Joe Biden sorted it out (being a Catholic in office). He seems to have gotten it sorted out with his priests and Bishops too.’

That was an assumption on my part, but a logical one, since neither of his 2 Bishops (Delaware and DC) have made comments about Mr Biden’s stances.

 

[clem456]

clem456;13905672:

You’ve changed the subject again.
First you claimed that Biden’s public service was cool with his bishops and priests. But the reality is different than that, given the quotes from Church folk referenced above.

So are you claiming that he is cool with his bishops and priests or not?
Being honored by Notre Dame does not make him in step with his bishop.

(/QUOTE]

I have no inside information on Mr Biden’s conversations with his two priests and two Bishops. What I said was ‘Joe Biden sorted it out (being a Catholic in office). He seems to have gotten it sorted out with his priests and Bishops too.’

That was an assumption on my part, but a logical one, since neither of his 2 Bishops (Delaware and DC) have made comments about Mr Biden’s stances.

Well thanks for your opinion on the state of Catholic affairs.

Surely you know that the absence of specific statements does not prove the absence of other statements, and the absence of a statement of disapproval by one or more individuals does not prove approval on the part of that individual bishop?
The absence of a statement by a specific bishop is simply silence on the part of that individual.

But thanks for you opinion on what our Catholic hierarchy approves and disapproves.

 

[estesbob]

clem456;13905672:

You’ve changed the subject again.
First you claimed that Biden’s public service was cool with his bishops and priests. But the reality is different than that, given the quotes from Church folk referenced above.

So are you claiming that he is cool with his bishops and priests or not?
Being honored by Notre Dame does not make him in step with his bishop.

(/QUOTE]

I have no inside information on Mr Biden’s conversations with his two priests and two Bishops. What I said was ‘Joe Biden sorted it out (being a Catholic in office). He seems to have gotten it sorted out with his priests and Bishops too.’

That was an assumption on my part, but a logical one, since neither of his 2 Bishops (Delaware and DC) have made comments about Mr Biden’s stances.

So silence means assent???

 

[ComplineSanFran]

ComplineSanFran;13905749:

So silence means assent???

As I said before, I assume that Mr Biden has had conversations with his spiritual leaders and they have sorted this out.

 

[estesbob]

estesbob;13905842:

As I said before, I assume that Mr Biden has had conversations with his spiritual leaders and they have sorted this out.

In the Catholic Church we dont base Church teaching on “assumptions”

BTW-you know what they say about assume, dont you?

 

[clem456]

As I said before, I assume that Mr Biden has had conversations with his spiritual leaders and they have sorted this out.

Because assumption and assertion = truth?
We’ll assume so, since you are asserting it here.

Would you say to Rep. Tulsi Gabbard that she should be a Hindu first?

Or Rep Keith Ellison that he must be a Muslim first in all his voting decisions? Where would that leave his non-Muslim constituents?

If one is out in the public, serving the public, it seems to me that sectarianism should not enter into the job performance.

So a politician should separate his religious convictions from exercise of his public office, and follow the majority wish?

Then we’ll assume you are on board with the following, as long as the majority of your district give it a big harrrrumph.

Waterboarding is cool
Ignoring the poor and getting them off the public dole to fend for themselves
Killing the elderly who can no longer care for themselves
Discriminating against person based on race, or sex, or intellectual capacity, or any other human condition
Letting the hungry starve
Dragging adulterers into the street for stoning
Abortion (well, that’s a given these days)

Since you don’t wish to impose your religious convictions on your public office, you believe these are all ok, as long as the majority of the burghers agree with it.

Or, maybe the only religious convictions allowed in the public arena are those you happen to hold, and everyone else is forcing theirs on the public and should just shut up.
Seems rather intolerant to me.