That’s true, I heard commentary on this, Obama said the bill could not be used in a gun registry but others say it indeed, could be. And a gun registry, me without being a real gun toting person, just doesn’t sound like what America is about. People like Bloomberg want to impose controls on our lives.
CNN is untrustworthy, but the purchases were made? Convenient.
Laws against murder, rape, robberies, drugs, etc. have failed as well. Guess we don’t need anymore laws, or restructuring of laws, for those crimes either. What about abortions? The laws are on their side, should we not try and have those laws changed? They are no substitute for decency, or morality more precisely.
No. There was one program, Wide Reciever, and it was distinctly different. First it was done in cooperation with Mexican authorities. It put RFID chips in the weapons and the intent was to seize the weapons and smugglers prior to entering Mexico or shortly after crossing. When the governments lost track of a couple of shipments, that is RFID tracking didn’t work as planned-- the program was terminated.
We still have 22,000 firearm laws in this country, and the places where it is most difficult (or impossible) to legally own a firearm still have the highest gun death rates.
The reason for that is there is currently a law in place preventing the federal government from developing a national registry of firearms owners. The law that got voted down specifically stated that it superceded that previous law and that the Department of Justice was specifically prevented from assembling a national registry of firearms owners. This prevented the FBI, ATBF and ICE from doing so but allowed a department like HHS to do so.
I’m sorry, but those are talking points without meaning for me. The same is said about European, and other countries, but people from those countries dispute the statistics quoted by Americans. We could have a million laws, but if there is no law to have every person’s background checked before purchasing a weapon then the rest are moot. There are still ‘loopholes’ that make criminal access to guns easier than it should be. Laws can be restructured to close those gaps, if the people, and gun lobbies, really had that goal in mind.
But when those loopholes contract too tightly, like when it becomes illegal for a boy scout to use a borrowed rifle under adult supervision by the firearm owner and State DNR officials on a public range, then the people would have a right to object, would the not?
The fact that they have no meaning for you doesn’t mean they aren’t factual. How long did Chicago, D.C. and New York have their handgun laws on the books, and how do their death by firearm rates compare to rural areas?
You left out the important point I was trying to make. What good are any amount of laws that don’t prevent easy access for criminals to obtain guns; universal background checks, for every transaction?
Agreed. But none of the proposals that the Senate considered would have done anything to prevent another Sandy Hook - everyone that looked at this bill admitted that. Perhaps if the Justice Department made it a point to enforce the laws in place there might be some sort of abatement.
A poorly written bill can be corrected though. There is a truism that overreation makes for bad law. I do not think anyone except a few on the far left would object to taking the time to make the law written properly.
You left out the important point I was trying to make. What good are any amount of laws that don’t prevent easy access for criminals to obtain guns; universal background checks, for every transaction?
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Criminals won’t obey the laws! That’s why they are called criminals!
If they can’t get a gun, they’ll just find something else to use.
And actually, most fire-arm related deaths as recently as 2010 were suicides, not homicides.
I understand that, but the point to a cloture vote is that it shuts off debate, and that bill amendment process as well.
Then let me fill you in on a little bit about human behavior. Not all criminals are the same. Most are situational criminals that usually obey the law, but in a specific situation commit a crime. They make probation and never are heard from again. Most criminals are not gun-wielding street hoodlums.