Bishop says tighter gun laws will help build culture of life

[BroomWagon]

Support measures to control the sale and use of firearms. It’s clear, and it’s been reiterated by bishops, who have spoken out. Are there any bishops to disagree?

It means more than, “let’s support the same laws that have loopholes to allow an easy access, that we speak on contributing to the problem.”

We really need to give the bishops more credit than that.

Would the Bishops say “Support measures to control the sale and use of liquor”: it’d be clear, that could pertain to existing law NOT new law.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

This statement is from the year 2000: usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/criminal-justice-restorative-justice/crime-and-criminal-justice.cfm

Nothing more than calling for the implementation of current laws already in place. Yes, that can be interpolated in different ways.

USCCB Committees Call For Action In Response To Newtown Tragedy

With regard to the regulation of fire arms, first, the intent to protect one’s loved ones is an honorable one, but simply put, guns are too easily accessible. The Vatican’s Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, in their document, “The International Arms Trade (2006)," emphasized the importance of enacting concrete controls on handguns, for example, noting that "limiting the purchase of such arms would certainly not infringe on the rights of anyone.”

In their memory and for the sake of our nation, we reiterate our call made in 2000, in our statement, Responsibility, Rehabilitation and Restoration: A Catholic Perspective on Crime and Criminal Justice, for all Americans, especially legislators, to:

1.Support measures that control the sale and use of firearms

2.Support measures that make guns safer (especially efforts that prevent their unsupervised use by children and anyone other than the owner)

3.Call for sensible regulations of handguns

4.Support legislative efforts that seek to protect society from the violence associated with easy access to deadly weapons including assault weapons

5.Make a serious commitment to confront the pervasive role of addiction and mental illness in crime.

One seriously has to close their eyes not to see the call to support measures goes beyond current measures that have proven not to work.

 

[BroomWagon]

From the link:

1.Support measures that control the sale and use of firearms

2.Support measures that make guns safer (especially efforts that prevent their unsupervised use by children and anyone other than the owner)

3.Call for sensible regulations of handguns

4.Support legislative efforts that seek to protect society from the violence associated with easy access to deadly weapons including assault weapons

5.Make a serious commitment to confront the pervasive role of addiction and mental illness in crime.

As we long for the arrival of the Prince of Peace in this Advent and Christmas season, we call on all people of goodwill to help bring about a culture of life and peace.

Okay, there we go but see #4. This can call for discernment, if one thought the gun laws would not be effective, I don’t think one would be obligated to support this with reason. Some people consider gun regulations to be harmful.

Also, where is the handgun regulation?

In the end, probably non-binding.

 

[jay29]

Ending violence in the womb is far more important than ending gun violence, numbers wise.

When 75% of Catholics do not believe in the sacrament of Penance, 60% don’t believe in the Real Presence, and only 25% of Catholic fulfill their Sunday Obligations I think the bishops need to set their priorities straight and lay off the guns which in themselves have nor moral value.

 

[jay29]

From the link:

Okay, there we go but see #4. This can call for discernment, if one thought the gun laws would not be effective, I don’t think one would be obligated to support this with reason. Some people consider gun regulations to be harmful.

Also, where is the handgun regulation?

In the end, probably non-binding.

It took me 8 months to get my NYS pistol permit which I think is ridiculous because criminals don’t need pistol permits.

 

[jay29]

USCCB Committees Call For Action In Response To Newtown Tragedy

One seriously has to close their eyes not to see the call to support measures goes beyond current measures that have proven not to work.

So if i am allowed to own ONE pistol, with ONE round of pistol ammunition, my rights are still fulfilled and not infringed on?

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

From the link:

Okay, there we go but see #4. This can call for discernment, if one thought the gun laws would not be effective, I don’t think one would be obligated to support this with reason. Some people consider gun regulations to be harmful.

Also, where is the handgun regulation?

In the end, probably non-binding.

We’ve gone from, just an opinion, political, one bishop, two or three bishops, plus a Cardinal and a Vatican Chief Spokesman, through many other arguments, and now we’re at ‘they mean current legislation.’ It certainly appears to be grasping at straws. Clearly in the face of the tragedy, concrete solutions are being called for.

If you read the 2000 document, you might be shocked at what they describe as ‘sensible regulation of handguns.’ Also, to answer your question, universal background checks covers a measure to control the sale and use of FIREARMS. Handguns are firearms.

It’s not non-binding for all, through individual choice.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Ending violence in the womb is far more important than ending gun violence, numbers wise.

When 75% of Catholics do not believe in the sacrament of Penance, 60% don’t believe in the Real Presence, and only 25% of Catholic fulfill their Sunday Obligations I think the bishops need to set their priorities straight and lay off the guns which in themselves have nor moral value.

So, the bishops should only speak on one issue only? Christ spoke on many issues. Shouldn’t the successors of those He chose and appointed do the same?

The bishops addressed the issue of an ‘easy access to guns, that caused a loss of a dignity of life for many.’ That’s moral.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

So if i am allowed to own ONE pistol, with ONE round of pistol ammunition, my rights are still fulfilled and not infringed on?

It worked for Barney Fife. Sorry, I couldn’t resist the memory ‘one pistol and one round’ brought back.

You are making the call much more restrictive than what the bishops actually said.

 

[jay29]

It worked for Barney Fife. Sorry, I couldn’t resist the memory ‘one pistol and one round’ brought back.

You are making the call much more restrictive than what the bishops actually said.

Define “reasonable” then in terms of not giving the federal government ANY records of firearms transactions that could be used later for confiscation if future laws change.

The way this IRS scandal has come to light there is no way I could ever trust this government. These scandals have cemented and reinforced everything I have ever thought about the feds. If anyone needs to get arrested, those in high government office certainly do.

 

[jay29]

So, the bishops should only speak on one issue only? Christ spoke on many issues. Shouldn’t the successors of those He chose and appointed do the same?

The bishops addressed the issue of an ‘easy access to guns, that caused a loss of a dignity of life for many.’ That’s moral.

Priorities. Abortion is exponentially far worse than gun violence.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Define “reasonable” then in terms of not giving the federal government ANY records of firearms transactions that could be used later for confiscation if future laws change.

The way this IRS scandal has come to light there is no way I could ever trust this government. These scandals have cemented and reinforced everything I have ever thought about the feds. If anyone needs to get arrested, those in high government office certainly do.

The bishops called for support of measures to control the sale and use of firearms. The term ‘sensible’ was used in reference to handgun regulations.

I don’t worry so much about government. I trust Him, and His Church.

 

[Lapey]

Show me one bishop who disagrees with the 2000 statement, or the recent calls from those who have spoken out.

My bishop has not implemented this in my diocese, neither has your. Its done.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Priorities. Abortion is exponentially far worse than gun violence.

Then start another thread. The topic of this thread is the issue of gun controls, as viewed by the bishops. They multitask, as did Jesus. His Church is not a single issue Church. With that said, ‘it is not acceptable that one die from either evil.’ Numbers are not important, but saving as many as possible that is.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

My bishop has not implemented this in my diocese, neither has your. Its done.

So, we can ignore whatever has not been implemented? And the Church goes in different directions. Sorry, I don’t need a personal invitation to follow guidance from a full body of bishop, of which our bishops are members.

 

[jay29]

Then start another thread. The topic of this thread is the issue of gun controls, as viewed by the bishops. They multitask, as did Jesus. His Church is not a single issue Church. With that said, ‘it is not acceptable that one die from either evil.’ Numbers are not important, but saving as many as possible that is.

Abortion is ALWAYS wrong. Just owning a firearm is not wrong.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Abortion is ALWAYS wrong. Just owning a firearm is not wrong.

The wrong around firearms, as addressed by the bishops, is the easy access that has led to the deaths of innocent people. Those deaths are just as much a travesty as any early death from conception until natural death. This is why the bishops call for support of measures to control the sale and use of firearms.

 

[scipio337]

Define “reasonable” then in terms of not giving the federal government ANY records of firearms transactions that could be used later for confiscation if future laws change.

The way this IRS scandal has come to light there is no way I could ever trust this government. These scandals have cemented and reinforced everything I have ever thought about the feds. If anyone needs to get arrested, those in high government office certainly do.

Now you’re just being paranoid! It’s not like the Federal government has any such lists…

stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/missouri-highway-patrol-gave-federal-government-list-of-ccw-permit/article_ac670792-d777-5354-9d73-6c87144d526e.html

redalertpolitics.com/2013/05/01/mo-gov-nixon-caught-red-handed-in-concealed-carry-permit-holder-list-leak-scandal/

semissourian.com/story/1961933.html

Well, -]even if such lists exist/-] it’s not like any such lists would be used, for say… phone taps, IRS audits or the like!

 

[jay29]

The bishops called for support of measures to control the sale and use of firearms. The term ‘sensible’ was used in reference to handgun regulations.

I don’t worry so much about government. I trust Him, and His Church.

Nice dodge. What does “sensible” mean?

Obama is on record stating he doesn’t believe in the private ownership of firearms so I don’t trust him nor any of his cohorts in terms of this issue. They all have lied miserably.

I think bishops are really uninformed when i comes to this issue.

 

[jay29]

Now you’re just being paranoid! It’s not like the Federal government has any such lists…

stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/missouri-highway-patrol-gave-federal-government-list-of-ccw-permit/article_ac670792-d777-5354-9d73-6c87144d526e.html

redalertpolitics.com/2013/05/01/mo-gov-nixon-caught-red-handed-in-concealed-carry-permit-holder-list-leak-scandal/

semissourian.com/story/1961933.html

Well, -]even if such lists exist/-] it’s not like any such lists would be used, for say… phone taps, IRS audits or the like!

Sickening. Then again, all socialist dictators hate guns anyway. Obama is a “soft” dictator so far until he ever gets control of the House of Representatives.

This government with all the recent scandals have justified all my “paranoia”