Bishop says tighter gun laws will help build culture of life

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Francoist said:
I’m saying that if you promote gun control, what you are really, in fact, on planet Earth, promoting are rape, murder, massacre and child abuse. Because those are the effects of gun control, despite whatever verbal costume you try to put on it. As to the origin of those things, I think it is indeed obvious.

Gun control is based on deception and mendacity. And banning classes of weapon has already been ruled unconstitutional in District of Columbia v. Heller.

I understand that this is a “bandwagon” issue and I’m trying not to be too hard on anybody. But if a person publicly advocates for gun control, then part of the sin of every rape, every murder, every home invasion, every abduction that takes place in this country falls on that person’s soul because he has helped enable those actions by depriving the victims of their legitimate right, a right proclaimed and taught by the Catholic and Apostolic Church, of self-defense.

If one of your loved ones had ever been raped, you would look at things differently. But all the diabolical rites of liberalism are practiced from an ivory tower. Good for you, I suppose; I wouldn’t wish it on anybody.
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That support is someone putting words in another person’s mouth, or intent in their heart. It’s a false analogy.

The interpretation of the Catechism is often cited by the men of the Church when discussing stricter controls. Is their interpretation wrong?

I notice you didn’t address how stricter gun registrations/background checks prevent one from protecting. Why?
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Christians are called to sacrifice self for others. Those rights are of the secular world, written by men. How much is it to sacrifice to stricter background/registration requirements?

I purchased a gun yesterday, from Walmart. It took about an hour, which included the background/registration requirements. I don’t consider it was a great imposition, of course I consider I am a law abiding citizen, with nothing to hide.
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I live in Upstate NY and I think waiting 8 months for a pistol permit is way too long. I don’t have a problem with background checks as long as we agree on what a background check is. If it is used for a National Registry of gun owners, then no.

The police can’t protect me 24/7. Most of the time they arrive after the crime has been committed or in the process of it. The safety of myself as well as my family is in my hands until help arrives. After the terrible home invasion in CT where the mother and her two kids were tied up naked, raped, and set on fire I wouldn’t hesitate for a second to pull the trigger on a home invader.

I do have a fundamental problem with the government increasing in power and the citizens decreasing in power.
 
jay29 said:
I live in Upstate NY and I think waiting 8 months for a pistol permit is way too long. I don’t have a problem with background checks as long as we agree on what a background check is. If it is used for a National Registry of gun owners, then no.

The police can’t protect me 24/7. Most of the time they arrive after the crime has been committed or in the process of it. The safety of myself as well as my family is in my hands until help arrives. After the terrible home invasion of CT where the mother and her two kids were tied up naked, raped, and set on fire I wouldn’t hesitate for a second to pull the trigger on a home invader.

I do have a fundamental problem with the government increasing in power and the citizens decreasing in power.
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Where have I heard, ‘I must decrease, so that He may increase?’
Joh 3:30 He must increase: but I must decrease.
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The importance is not in the secular.
 
jay29 said:
I live in Upstate NY and I think waiting 8 months for a pistol permit is way too long.
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Just don’t get murdered in those 8 months. Tell all your family members not to be raped or abducted in that time. Simple.

Maybe Bloomberg can institute background checks for those Super Big Gulps. “Here’s your soda, buddy. I’ll put it aside for you and you can come back in 6 months and drink it.”

“…shall not be infringed.” The background checks are just an end-run around the Constitution. They don’t protect anybody. They just keep guns in the hands of criminals and away from law-abiding citizens.

If people want to prevent more liberal Democrats from massacring innocent women and children in public places then they should carry concealed weapons. An armed populace means no massacres.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Where have I heard, ‘I must decrease, so that He may increase?’

The importance is not in the secular.
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I have a right to life and have a duty as the head of household to protect my family from harm.

You neglect to address the antidepressant issue common among mass murderers.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Where have I heard, ‘I must decrease, so that He may increase?’

The importance is not in the secular.
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Aren’t you embarrassed to sin publicly with such sanctimonious baloney? Deciding not to protect your wife from a rapist is not “I must decrease.” It’s false meekness, cowardice and villainy.
 
Francoist said:
Aren’t you embarrassed to sin publicly with such sanctimonious baloney? Deciding not to protect your wife from a rapist is not “I must decrease.” It’s false meekness, cowardice and villainy.
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It’s on the verge of heresy
 
Francoist said:
Aren’t you embarrassed to sin publicly with such sanctimonious baloney? Deciding not to protect your wife from a rapist is not “I must decrease.” It’s false meekness, cowardice and villainy.
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I am not sinning. I believe what the scriptures say, and try my best to live my life by that and what the Church teaches. What the bishops state is guidance, especially when it references a ‘culture of life.’

I can protect my family, in many ways and would. Your assumptions, and accusations, are false. Show me where the Church states, 'one must own a specific gun, and live without registrations/background checks, even if it is in the interest of others.?

Are you going to share how stricter registration/background checks prevent anyone from protecting?
 
Francoist said:
Just don’t get murdered in those 8 months. Tell all your family members not to be raped or abducted in that time. Simple.

Maybe Bloomberg can institute background checks for those Super Big Gulps. “Here’s your soda, buddy. I’ll put it aside for you and you can come back in 6 months and drink it.”

“…shall not be infringed.” The background checks are just an end-run around the Constitution. They don’t protect anybody. They just keep guns in the hands of criminals and away from law-abiding citizens.

If people want to prevent more liberal Democrats from massacring innocent women and children in public places then they should carry concealed weapons. An armed populace means no massacres.
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It’s simple. Leftists do not believe in the second amendment rights. They will chip away and chip away. Ban this now and ban this later. This is only the start of things to come. They can’t get a repeal of the 2A because states get involved then and most states are RED if you look at a map. So they will do everything and anything to separate the common man from their firearms short of repeal of the 2A.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Are you going to share how stricter registration/background checks prevent anyone from protecting?
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Two different issues. Registration should never happen. Instant background checks without any records is fine with me.
 
jay29 said:
The Reformation was kicked off by a priest-monk who married an ex nun. You see now?
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My shock is that one views a guidance that promotes a culture of life as a possible heresy. We have to be careful with that type thought, or we risk picking apart all guidance according to our worldly view. Also, where is the voice of the Church that supports no more controls, which would be opposite of ‘heretical.’
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
My shock is that one views a guidance that promotes a culture of life as a possible heresy. We have to be careful with that type thought, or we risk picking apart all guidance according to our worldly view. Also, where is the voice of the Church that supports no more controls, which would be opposite of ‘heretical.’
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We have reasonable gun control already. No full autos unless class III permit, no explosives…The problem I have is democrats in general want a repeal of the 2A as the ultimate goal and every step they take is towards that. That’s why any new restrictions against law abiding citizens must be fought against. Democrats are using these massacres to get what they always have wanted.
 
jay29 said:
We have reasonable gun control already. No full autos unless class III permit, no explosives…The problem I have is democrats in general want a repeal of the 2A as the ultimate goal and every step they take is towards that. That’s why any new restrictions against law abiding citizens must be fought against. Democrats are using these massacres to get what they always have wanted.
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The bishops statement, just like Cardinal Dolan’s, is not political. We are Catholics first, then whatever. Also, I don’t see what the teaching is that might possibly be corrupted by ‘heretical’ clergy in your post. To be perfectly honest, I think that was a terrible thing to say about the clergy who have spoken out on this subject, especially with the lack of any clergy giving what you believe to be a ‘correct’ teaching.
 
Francoist said:
Anyone who says that stricter gun control laws protect people is lying.
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Lying? You have a singular definition of the concept of lying. A bishop, or anyone, is not a “liar” because he believes stricter gun controls will protect lives.
 
jay29 said:
It’s on the verge of heresy
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The quote is from Jesus. Jesus did not commit heresy. Again, another person with a rather unique definition of a word.

At least this thread shows me why we should pay a little more attention to our bishops and a little less attention to our political pundits. The basic definition of theological terms are ignored by laymen, and these words are important.
 
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