I am looking through the CCC to try to find something about restricting semi-automatic rifles, not finding anything on point. of course, the CCC doesn’t address gun control per se, so how about you tell me what you’re deriving your claim from.I’ve learned that following scriptures is following Magisterial teaching. The two are not at odds with each other The bishops are our voice of guidance. We don’t dismiss them because we don’t like what they say. We strive to fit our views to the Church, and all she has to offer.
I have, thanks. and its contrary to yours. (who is this 'we"?)We are obligated to form a faith based conscience and act on it. We can do no more. Even then the Catechism speaks of the possibility of being in err with our conscience.
Yes, there is a difference: with the unborn, its black and white. We need to give them legal protection. We need to keep working toward that. There is NO room for disagreement on this - Nancy Pelosi, and the whole host of other Catholic pro-abortion leaders are in disagreement with Church teaching. With guns, its not black and white - honest, good Catholics can disagree on the best policy without being in opposition to Church teaching.There are no differences. The Church, and Christ, calls on us to ‘act.’ We don’t delay until we can reach a ‘political,’ secular, agreement.
I see that part of what you insist on posting is that I am wrong. I have not said one way or the other is wrong. It’s not about being right or wrong, it’s about making sacrifices for the good of others. The weapons of choice for most mass shooters have been those ‘assault weapons.’ No one is trying to grab all. As I said, ‘it’s not an all or nothing scenario.’it means that you’re wrong.
the bishops wants to ban “assault weapons” (check post 1 for text).
I have target rifles that I use at NRA and CMP matches, according to grabberspeak, these (AR-15, M1, M14) are “assault weapons”.
the bishop wants to ban them; I agree with his culture of life notions, but banning won’t make that happen and is harmful to the US in many other ways. unless the Church teaching on semi automatic rifles is to the contrary, the bishop’s political opinion is flat out wrong.
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I don’t see the odds. I own guns. I consider them defense, if necessary and pray they are never necessary. Certainly universal background checks would not have prevented your priest from owning a gun, just as they don’t prevent me from owning.My fo-parish Priest would argue your view. He carries concealed. A couple of years ago he heard some noises coming from the church and he went to investigate. He came across a guy trying to break into the poor box with a knife. When confronted, the guy came at h with the knife and he had to draw his weapon to stop him. He detained until cops arrived. He later ministered to him at the jail. We had an interesting homily about the Church’s position or lack thereof concerning self defense and weapon ownership.
The bishops are our voice of guidance.I am looking through the CCC to try to find something about restricting semi-automatic rifles, not finding anything on point. of course, the CCC doesn’t address gun control per se, so how about you tell me what you’re deriving your claim from.
I have, thanks. and its contrary to yours. (who is this 'we"?)
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I disagree. We are called to work for all issues that impact a dignity of life, from conception until natural death. We don’t delay on any until a secular political agreement can be reached. Christ didn’t tell us to work on, He said do.Yes, there is a difference: with the unborn, its black and white. We need to give them legal protection. We need to keep working toward that. There is NO room for disagreement on this - Nancy Pelosi, and the whole host of other Catholic pro-abortion leaders are in disagreement with Church teaching. With guns, its not black and white - honest, good Catholics can disagree on the best policy without being in opposition to Church teaching.
Ishii
Catholics.I have, thanks. and its contrary to yours. (who is this 'we"?)
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But in the case of abortion, you would agree that the Church tells us “how” , but in the issue of gun control the Church does not tell us how.I disagree. We are called to work for all issues that impact a dignity of life, from conception until natural death. We don’t delay on any until a secular political agreement can be reached. Christ didn’t tell us to work on, He said do.
Catholics are forbidden to participate in abortions.But in the case of abortion, you would agree that the Church tells us “how” , but in the issue of gun control the Church does not tell us how.
Ishii
Catholic leaders who do the bidding of Planned Parenthood are participating in abortion.Catholics are forbidden to participate in abortions.
The bishops are speaking guidance on gun control.
The ‘one’ bishop is speaking for the committee of bishops. The USCCB issued a statement in response to the Sandy Hook massacre; listing several bishops. Cardinal Dolan has spoken on the issue.Catholic leaders who do the bidding of Planned Parenthood are participating in abortion.
We know who those leaders are - and we ought not support them. Yet, so many Catholics do.
One bishop is speaking guidance on gun control. While we should listen and consider what he is saying, we are under no obligation as Catholics to obey what he is prescribing.
Ishii
One bishop or all bishops - as an earlier poster pointed out - there is no official teaching of the Catholic church on gun control. So there is no violation of teaching by not following the bishops on this issue when they advocate gun control. Not so, with the abortion issue as there is an official teaching. The bishops could all get together and put out an official statement supporting gun control, but we wouldn’t have to obey it. Just like the bishops could get together (and maybe have in the past) and advocate for higher taxes and welfare and we would not have to drop what we’re doing and become liberals.The ‘one’ bishop is speaking for the committee of bishops. The USCCB issued a statement in response to the Sandy Hook massacre; listing several bishops. Cardinal Dolan has spoken on the issue.
Where are the dissenting voices of those Catholic bishops exercising their right to disagree?
What do you make of this passage, particularly the bolded text? (The rest of it is primarily supplied as context)The ‘one’ bishop is speaking for the committee of bishops. The USCCB issued a statement in response to the Sandy Hook massacre; listing several bishops. Cardinal Dolan has spoken on the issue.
Where are the dissenting voices of those Catholic bishops exercising their right to disagree?
Taking into account that the authentic magisterium of the Bishops, namely what they teach insofar as they are invested with the authority of Christ, must always be in communion with the Head of the College and its members,(83) when the doctrinal declarations of Episcopal Conferences are approved unanimously, they may certainly be issued in the name of the Conferences themselves, and the faithful are obliged to adhere with a sense of religious respect to that authentic magisterium of their own Bishops. However, if this unanimity is lacking, a majority alone of the Bishops of a Conference cannot issue a declaration as authentic teaching of the Conference to which all the faithful of the territory would have to adhere, unless it obtains the recognitio of the Apostolic See, which will not give it if the majority requesting it is not substantial. The intervention of the Apostolic See is analogous to that required by the law in order for the Episcopal Conference to issue general decrees.(84) The recognitio of the Holy See serves furthermore to guarantee that, in dealing with new questions posed by the accelerated social and cultural changes characteristic of present times, the doctrinal response will favour communion and not harm it, and will rather prepare an eventual intervention of the universal magisterium.
23. The very nature of the teaching office of Bishops requires that, when they exercise it jointly through the Episcopal Conference, this be done in the plenary assembly. **Smaller bodies —the permanent council, a commission or other offices—do not have the authority to carry out acts of authentic magisterium either in their own name or in the name of the Conference, and not even as a task assigned to them by the Conference**.But there are plenty of ways to defend yourself quite apart from a gun.All people have the right to defend themselves. These type of laws curtail that defense.
It’s more simple for me. All American bishops are a part of the USCCB. When several speak guidance, especially on USCCB letterhead, or committees, it’s representative of all the bishops here; unless, one speaks out differently. We cannot accept silence, in the face of the previous mentioned conditions, as opposition, at least I can’t for myself. That’s more than a ‘small body,’ as another poster tries to make a point of.One bishop or all bishops - as an earlier poster pointed out - there is no official teaching of the Catholic church on gun control. So there is no violation of teaching by not following the bishops on this issue when they advocate gun control. Not so, with the abortion issue as there is an official teaching. The bishops could all get together and put out an official statement supporting gun control, but we wouldn’t have to obey it. Just like the bishops could get together (and maybe have in the past) and advocate for higher taxes and welfare and we would not have to drop what we’re doing and become liberals.
Ishii
The teaching authority of the Catholic Church, called the Magisterium, lies with all of the bishops who are led by the pope and guided by the Holy Spirit. The pope and bishops are the authoritative teachers in the Church.
Please explain how universal background checks curtail defense?All people have the right to defend themselves. These type of laws curtail that defense.
The problem is such forms appear not to be required for at least some private (or other than from a gun shop) sales as well as inheritances and transfers between family members.What am I missing here. Every single time I have bought a firearm, minus black powder rifles, I have filled out the FFL forms and they called in a check. What are these lawmakers trying to do now?
No thanks!The problem is such forms appear not to be required for at least some private (or other than from a gun shop) sales as well as inheritances and transfers between family members.
Not knowing what black powder rifles are, if they can do injury to a person then the same paperwork should have been required for them also.