Bishop Schneider to Pope Francis: For the Sake of Your Soul, Retract Approval of Same-Sex Civil Unions

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Motherwit said:
The Church in all those countries continues to speak out against abortion but have said nothing in favor of continued use of capital punishment.
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You changed the subject, which was whether those countries were based on biblical morality. Only Poland qualifies.
 
Rau said:
But when a matter is taught universally and consistently, as with sexual relationships outside marriage of a man and woman
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Were Adam and Eve married by someone? Or did they have sex without being married ?
 
MarysLurker said:
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Motherwit:
The Church in all those countries continues to speak out against abortion but have said nothing in favor of continued use of capital punishment.
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You changed the subject, which was whether those countries were based on biblical morality. Only Poland qualifies.
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I had originally said ‘founded on biblical principles’ to distinguish them from communist, islamic or ‘other’ countries. Christian based Countries aren’t perfect but the voice of the Church is still a feature in the culture and a voice of morality. If abolition of cp were wrong, the Church would surely have objected at the time don’t you think?
 
AlNg said:
Were Adam and Eve married by someone? Or did they have sex without being married ?
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The celebrants in a marriage are actually the two spouses. The priest does not celebrate the Sacrament of marriage, he is merely there as a witness for the Church. Since the Church at the time was embodied only in the Triune Godhead, and Adam and Eve, God witnessed their marriage. And they celebrated it, as all couples do.
 
Lol…i was part of the Bishops survey afew years ago…It said if a same sex couple was married we treat this as abrokenness. Same as divorced. Yet a celebate union can recieve communion. The diocese 's wanted to know how many to mininster to. It was about 25 pages.

This survey was for Amoris Laetita. Probably spelled wrong lol…
 
“Which raises a question: Since it has already happened, why does the Pope open his mouth about the matter at all? And why is he offering personal prudential judgments anyway, since according to the Church, his job isn’t to make suggestions about civil law, but to teach the Church’s morals and doctrine? This was just one of numerous grave blunders.”

The problem with authors like this is that they don’t realize there is a whole big world outside the US and persecution of homosexuals is a thing. What Pope Francis said wasn’t a teaching or even a prudential judgment. It was a question about how to resolve the problems that homosexuals are dealing with.

One thing I am very thankful for is that I wasn’t born homosexual. What a difficult road to travel and more so for a person who desires to be a faithful Catholic in every way. If you could just turn off your sexuality it would easy but even faithful heterosexual people fall into sexual sin everyday. For Pope Francis to reveal he is concerned and thinking about people with this suffering, is comforting and sometimes even if there is no resolution to ones problem, just that someone cares and is concerned can lift a great weight off the suffering.
 
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When a baby is born, can you tell if he or she is homosexual? Several priests told Joseph Sciambra that he was “born this way,” and he believed them. Now he no longer believes them, and is angry that they sent him off on a wrong path.
 
AlNg said:
I guess this is the idea behind couples living together today without the benefit of a human witness.
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Not really. Many couples today live together because they aren’t sure that they want to make a commitment of marriage, which would be more difficult to get out of as opposed to just moving out. Many other couples who live together aren’t even considering God as part of the picture.

There are many reasons why couples live together. It’s not a one -reason-fits-all.
 
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