Bishops remain focused on 'responsible restrictions' on gun ownership

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hey could h…Well, at least the Bishops haven’t kept it a secret what their plans are.

“… we believe that in the long run and with few exceptions – i.e. police officers, military use – handguns should be eliminated from our society.”
True enough. So much for the “argument” that the Bishops never had a political axe to grind concerning this issue
 
…Well, at least the Bishops haven’t kept it a secret what their plans are. They could have met with politicians and law makers privately, and discussed the issues out of plain view.

Here’s their goal:

“… we believe that in the long run and with few exceptions – i.e. police officers, military use – handguns should be eliminated from our society.”
I agree with that; with the “in the long run” being a dramatic change in our culture in regards to violence and gun violence. Until that change takes place handguns unfortunately are a necessary means of self defense for citizens.
 
And you brought every gun owners faith into question. What’s the difference? 🤷
Maybe you’ve missed my posts where I’ve said, ‘pray, reflect, and follow your conscience. We’re all obligated to that.’

In addition to those things, I weigh what our spiritual leaders say.

As the Church teaches, we cannot know what is in another person’s heart, and I fully agree. So, I can’t question another person’s faith. I can only try to explain my own view.
 
No, what is bizarre (but not surprising) is your “reasoning” that the Bishop’s *political * statements hold any more weight with the Church than a political statement you or I might make…

There seems to be a common misconception around here that the Bishops can say anything they wish,on any subject, and that all faithful Catholics are obliged to agree with them. That is not true. Other than matters that pertain *directly *to Church Doctrine, the Bishop’s opinions hold no more weight than yours or mine.
An individual bishop’s opinions are his own, yes. OTOH, a conference of bishops in unity with the Pope is authoritative, whether in morals or policy. If they determine that eating meat on Friday is a sin in that country, then it’s binding. And so forth.
 
What is bizzare, frankly, is your accusation against the reasoning of the US Bishops and the Vatican and the suggestion that you know better than them.
I know trusting people (our “legitimate authorities”) to be the only armed group when they have amply shown their disregard for human life by mandating abortion as a "right"is dangerous in the extreme.

Why does that threaten you? :confused:
 
I know trusting people (our “legitimate authorities”) to be the only armed group when they have amply shown their disregard for human life by mandating abortion as a "right"is dangerous in the extreme.

Why does that threaten you? :confused:
I don’t feel threatened at all. Perhaps your question would be better directed to the US Bishops.
 
An individual bishop’s opinions are his own, yes. OTOH, a conference of bishops in unity with the Pope is authoritative, whether in morals or policy. If they determine that eating meat on Friday is a sin in that country, then it’s binding. And so forth.
You probably know more about this than I do, but hasn’t Pope Benedict spoken previously about these groups of bishops having no authority outside of individual bishops supporting those decisions?
 
An individual bishop’s opinions are his own, yes. OTOH, a conference of bishops in unity with the Pope is authoritative, whether in morals or policy. If they determine that eating meat on Friday is a sin in that country, then it’s binding. And so forth.
Only on theological matters. A Bishop, or a group of them, even along with The Holy Father, has no authority to tell me if I’m allowed to own a car for example. The same for owning guns. They don’t have any authority over that either.
 
Only on theological matters. A Bishop, or a group of them, even along with Holy Father, has no authority to tell me if I’m allowed to own a car for example. The same for owning guns. They don’t have any authority over that either.
Yes, but are we talking about owning guns or placing restrictions? Guns, swords, tanks or nuclear bombs, for that matter, in themselves aren’t evil AFAIK, although I’m sure to get a lot of responses for saying so.
 
Yes, but are we talking about owning guns or placing restrictions? Guns, swords, tanks or nuclear bombs, for that matter, in themselves aren’t evil AFAIK, although I’m sure to get a lot of responses on the latter.
Tanks or nuclear bombs owned by individual citizens are outside the realm of a realistic discussion. Owning guns and swords? No the church has no authority over that.
 
As Americans they have a right to be politically active but as churchmen they should recognize the inappropriateness of their involvement in politics. It is one thing to take a stand on moral issues that have political implications but quite another to take a stance on political issues that involve no moral choices.
Perhaps they do not agree with you on what issues involve moral choices. I know I don’t. Guns are used to commit mortal sin. I find it hard to ignore the moral component here.
 
When bishops speak out on matters of political policy, they are subject to question like anyone else. A synod is one thing, an organization like the UCCB is another.
Questioning is one thing. Disrespect is another. Misrepresentation is another. Animosity from those claiming to be Catholic is another.
 
You seem far too willing to excuse the Bishops for almost any thing. What passes in the real world as a blatant, left-wing political statement, you choose to see as a sort of pastoral care letter, devoid of any political overtones, with which we must all follow in lockstep, without question.
I find your misrepresentation of their position to be unfair. You were wrong in your assumptions on me. I see no reason why anyone should trust your judgment on these people that use the English language with precision.
 
The gun-grabbers on this forum forget it was the sword that saved Christendom from the Muslim invaders.
I don’t think there is one single gun-grabber here. Might I ask what caused you to think this?
 
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