Bishops rip HHS mandate That Forces Coverage of Birth Control, Abortion Drugs

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A few months ago one of our novices asked me if it was wrong to be angry at the bishop. I explained to them that our Holy Father Francis lived during a difficult time in the Church’s history, not very different from our own. There was heresy. Bishops and kings made strange bedfellows. There was sexual abuse, stealing, lying cheating, promiscuity, etc. among the clergy and laity alike. It was a time when the Church was in crisis, when popes had nightmares that they saw the Lateran collapsing on their heads. On two occasions, Pope Innocent III had this nightmare. In one of them, he saw Francis of Assisi walk up to the Lateran, rise to the size of a giant and prop it up with his shoulders. The next day, Francis of Assisi showed up at his doorstep.

The second time that Pope Innocent had the same nightmare he saw another friar walk up to the Lateran, lean against it and hold it up. It was Dominic de Guzman. The next day, Dominic showed up at his doorstep.

Neither Pope Innocent, nor his court was so innocent. Neither was the Emperor Frederick. Of course, we don’t have a window big enough to list all of the heretical movements of the time.

As I told my novices, God revealed something to Pope Innocent through his dreams. He revealed to him that these two beggars would single handedly keep the Church standing. All that Innocent had to do was to remain at his post as the Vicar of Christ and the Successor of Peter. Innocent had no idea how these two beggars would do this, but he trusted. Because he trusted, he approved the Order of Friars Minor (Franciscans) and the Order of Friars Preachers (Dominicans). Both families have grown into armies of faithful men and women around the world.

The novices asked me what this had to do with the bishops. I explained that when Francis and Dominic heard the laity and clergy of their time complain and point the finger at their bishops and the pope for their sins, the two Holy Fathers would humbly and simply tell people the following. “Only a bishop can ordain the priest who consecrates the Eucharist and absolves your sins. He needs no other letter of introduction nor any other recommendation than the fact that without him there is no Church.”

For 800 years, Dominicans and Franciscans have taught the faithful (clergy, religious and lay) what our Holy Fathers taught the people of their time. Our popes and bishops can be saints or sinners, just like the rest of us. But there is one thing that commands our respect and our reverence, only they can guarantee the continuation of the Church. Even if a bishop were the most horrid sinner in the world, where ever he is, there is the Church. His honor does not come from his behavior, but from the great power that Christ has bestowed on him. We must never forget that.

If we give in to cultivating anger, hatred, mistrust and judgment against our bishops, we run the risk of being unable to stop ourselves in time before we cross the line where we stop believing in the necessity of the bishop and in the fact that we need him more than he needs us. We cannot ordain, consecrate or absolve. Luther let his anger drive him to blindness and his blindness drove him into heresy.

We must be like Francis and Dominic. We must always keep in mind that sin is part of the human condition. However, the presence of sin does not diminish the role, the power and the need for the bishop in our lives. That alone commands our reverence and our respect, just as we revere and respect the air we breathe. Without it, we die. Without the bishop we can also die.

Francis and Dominic always taught that there was no sin in helping a person in authority see his mistakes, but to throw harp on those faults was gravely sinful, because such behavior only cultivates anger, mistrust, division, disrespect and destroys our inner silence. Many people deserve to be called on the carpet, but as Francis said, “Let the person who has the authority to do so, do it.”

I believe that this spirit of equilibrium that Dominic and Francis taught the people of their time and taught their sons and daughters has actually helped the Church survive many crises and if we maintain this spirit of equilibrium, we will survive this one too. If we give in to anger and hostile feelings, we are doomed.

In this situation that we find ourselves, there were many mistakes made. There is no need to deny that. But the government also made promises and overtures that people trusted. Many people hoped that those promises would be fulfilled and that it might be the beginning of a turn in the right direction. There is no reason not to believe that. God gives all of us the grace to do the right thing.

The Christian life is not meant to be lived in a world of suspicion, arguments, confrontations and conspiracies. As Francis and Dominic taught, the Christian life should do away with all of these. Let’s take the lesson of Francis and Dominic, “Where there is the bishop, there is the Church and without the Church, there is no salvation.”

Christ never said that bishops would be perfect. The role that he entrusted to them was to preach, sanctify and govern. Their personal holiness is between them, God and their spiritual director.

This is not the right time to take the bishops to task and most of us are not the appropriate people to do it. We can present our concerns to the Sacred Congregation for Bishops, when this is over. Right now, we need to be where the Church is and that is where ever the bishop is.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
When you say only 8 Bishops have not spoken out… where do you get that from?
Aren’t there something like 300 Bishops in the U.S.?

Is there anywhere that has listed the Bishops who HAVE spoken out? Or… sources which substantiate that the vast majority of Bishops are united on this issue?
American Papist has a list:
catholicvote.org/discuss/index.php?p=25591

Here’s the USCCB’s list as of February 6th, 2012.
usccb.org/issues-and-action/religious-liberty/conscience-protection/index.cfm

If you google bishop and health and human services, google is loaded with it. They’re taking it seriously. Bishops all over the country have put out statements protesting the ruling.
 
After following your posts for a long time, we all know your stance on this, CMatt, and I’m sure you are delighted that the majority of Catholics are disobedient to Church teaching. We do not deny that and are well aware of the fact that many many “Catholics” will place their politics above their faith - we know perhaps better than you the internal fighting that is going on. We don’t care - we’ve been warned about this age and about persecution and suffering and we stand as the Remnant Church, small in number, but always faithful to Christ and His Church to the end. Is this the admission you’ve been fishing for? We have been preparing ourselves for this persecution for some time - those who were not blinded have known better than the others; may God have mercy on us all.
No. Delight hasn’t even crossed my mind. And I’m not sure what stance you refer to. But if you mean my stance on the answer the Catholic Church gives as to who She identifies as a Catholic, yes my stance on it is the Church’s stance and I accept it without quotation marks. For instance if I were a Catholic apologist I certainly wouldn’t tell someone who is a Catholic according to the Church that he or she wasn’t able to identify as simply a Catholic, for instance in a poll or elsewhere. That not only in itself would seem to be against teaching, the same thing people who use quotation marks or the term CINO rail against others for. But could lead to the person becoming further alienated. Opposite of what would be hoped for I would think. So I’m content if a Catholic according to the Church told a pollster doing polling on the mandate that they are Catholic. If that is what they considered themselves since the Church does. In any case, peace.
 
I’m sorry, but this whole “He who pays the piper calls the tune” argument is not convincing to me.

First, the HHS mandate has nothing whatsoever to do with allocation of federal funds.
It has everything to do with federal funds actually. It makes sense that by ensuring everyone can easily access ABCs they are hoping to cut their expenses for all the funding that goes to pay for the costs associated with pregancies, birthing expenses, paying for healthcare for a child (not to mention food stamps, stipends, WIC, free lunches when the child goes to school) until they are 18 years of age. The government pays out quite a bit for these expenses. The cost of ABCs is much cheaper than paying for the expenses of a child throughout their lives. When one considers these costs, it’s really not that hard to see why they are trying to make ABCs available to all. I’m not surprised they don’t send them to people’s homes in little pink wrapped boxes.

When so many people are receiving federal funds, they really don’t get to say how the government tries to cut their costs.
 
Of course a Catholic who is a Catholic according to Church teaching is also not asked at the polling booth when they go to cast a ballot, the degree in which they are practicing.

Here is more on the polling on this issue.

Yes 58% of all Catholics agree employers should be required to provide their employees with health care plans that cover contraception.

52% of Catholic voters agree as well

And a second poll, also released today, this one from Public Policy Polling, found similar results as the Public Religion Research Institute poll did.

In this second poll a 53 percent majority of Catholic voters, who were oversampled as part of this poll, favor the benefit.

content.usatoday.com/communities/Religion/post/2012/02/contraception-catholic-bishops-obama-hhs/1
I’m not surprised considering the majority of Catholics use ABCs.
 
I think it is very important to distinguish those who CINO’S and those who are practicing because an unequal balance will tip the scales one way or another in a poll.
Why? Polls don’t divide them up. If they identify themselves as Catholic (and the Church does too), then what does it matter?
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I posted the poll because I was interested in hearing feedback on the poll from people on this forum.
I’m not surprised at the poll outcome because most Catholics use ABCs. If most Catholics use ABCs, they’re not going to work against the mandate. They’re going to want easy access to their ABCs, if they have to pay for it out of pocket already. If they’re already getting them, they’ll want to continue getting them.
 
I’m not surprised at the poll outcome because most Catholics use ABCs. If most Catholics use ABCs, they’re not going to work against the mandate. They’re going to want easy access to their ABCs, if they have to pay for it out of pocket already. If they’re already getting them, they’ll want to continue getting them.
This is a logical non-sequitor, but one that the administration is counting on.
 
Christ never said that bishops would be perfect. The role that he entrusted to them was to preach, sanctify and govern. Their personal holiness is between them, God and their spiritual director.

This is not the right time to take the bishops to task and most of us are not the appropriate people to do it. We can present our concerns to the Sacred Congregation for Bishops, when this is over. Right now, we need to be where the Church is and that is where ever the bishop is.
I just wanted to note that your words of caution are not ignored. While I don’t agree that we should hold our tongues, I do agree that the main focus should be what to do now that we are in this situation and less about how we got here.

Nevertheless, I must point out that the criticisms of the bishops are not in regards to their lack of perfection or even their gullibility but with their positive and long standing choice to rely on secular government as an alternative to their own preaching and teaching.
 
Oh yeah, I’m sure it’s completely irrelevent
Not when the cost of ABCs is negligible for most Catholics and few will be affected by the new requirement. Some Catholics will choose to sit on their hands, others will get involved in beating back this injustice. But I doubt any Catholic is going to choose sides because Obamacare is forcing Catholic institutions to pay for his/her ABCs.
 
This means nothing to faithful Catholics - we don’t care about the polls because within the Church, the majority does not rule nor does democracy apply - only moral truth which we won’t compromise.
You live in fantasy land?
 
It is insane watching 53% of Catholics vote Democrat using the same lack of logic over and over and expecting different results.
 
I just wanted to note that your words of caution are not ignored. While I don’t agree that we should hold our tongues, I do agree that the main focus should be what to do now that we are in this situation and less about how we got here.

Nevertheless, I must point out that the criticisms of the bishops are not in regards to their lack of perfection or even their gullibility but with their positive and long standing choice to rely on secular government as an alternative to their own preaching and teaching.
I can appreciate that people have concerns for different reasons. My mission, as a Franciscan, is to point people in the right direction. Canon Law is very explicit that the faithful have the right to express their concerns. It’s also very explicit that the faithful must treat the bishops with reverence. Both are Church laws. For the former, the Church has systems and offices in place where one can take one’s concerns and be very discrete about it. No one has to know what it is that bothers me or concerns me. It’s between the bishop and me. If the bishop won’t give me a hearing, then there is the Vatican and me. It’s never between everyone else and me.

Archbishop Chaput spoke about this very clearly and eloquently last year at some big function that the Knights of Columbus had. He reminded people of this. People tend to forget and when they forget, they run their mouths in the wrong place and at the worse possible time. Certainly, when you’re trying to address an issue such as this, it’s the worse possible time to throw rotten to tomatoes as the bishops. Again, Canon Law prohibits throwing rotten tomatoes at bishops. There are specific means to make known one’s concerns.

The problem with man is that we want to complain, but we don’t really want to do the necessary work to solve a problem. This is what the Franciscans and Dominicans were told to teach the faithful. Stop complaining and let’s get to work on fixing the problem, beginning with ourselves.

In this case, the first thing that we have to do is decide where do we stand on this point? To whom do we have to speak, the President, the Congress, HHS itself, or someone else? Now that we know to whom we have to speak, let’s do it?

There is no reason for not asking for a hearing with a bishop to state your concerns. But talk to him, don’t correct him. He’s the Apostle, not us. He is the head of the local Church, not us… As an FSSP priest once said, “The difference between us and the bishop is that we need him, but he does not need us.”

Sometimes, we get so upset about something that we forget what it is that we profess to believe. This makes us less credible even to ourselves. We begin to doubt whether we really believe in this thing that we call the Catholic Church.

We don’t want to go there. It’s a slippery slope. Just ask Luther. I’ve always said that he was right about 90% of his complaints. The other 10% did him in. Once he lost control of his indignation, he lost his faith. When I was in Rome, I did a paper on Luther and the modern Catholic. It was incredible the similarities. It was really scary.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
I still think that a Catholic could vote Democrat, but (although I won’t judge) I can’t see how a Catholic could vote for Obama. There are still some sane Democrats out there you know…😃
I’m probably not going to make a dent based on past experience … but the fact is that democrat elected officials, always… in every case, overwhelmingly favor abortion and everything else related to birth control that is contrary to Catholic morality. Dont even try to argue with me on that. It is fact. If you elect a democrat he/she will invariably support the appointment of a pro death judge… and vote in favor of pro death issues … That is reality … and 53% of Catholics voted democrat … they either dont care or they cant think straight.
Either change you ways … or change your name.
 
I can appreciate that people have concerns for different reasons. My mission, as a Franciscan, is to point people in the right direction. Canon Law is very explicit that the faithful have the right to express their concerns. It’s also very explicit that the faithful must treat the bishops with reverence.
Br. JR, OSF 🙂
I reverently submit the following:
but test everything that is said. Hold on to what is good.
…1 Thessalonians 5:21
A horrible choice was made… and we are seeing only the beginning of the fruit of that conscious choice.
The influential leaders that you speak of say they are pro life and then threw their support behind a guy that has a crystal clear record of supporting infanticide. And 53% of Catholics listened to them.
Without the Catholic vote … Obama would have been Al Gore.
Joe Sixpack could clearly see what these educated leaders were blind to… and what Barack Obama would do if elected… and he did it.
His past voting record alone proved beyond doubt who the man really is.
Yet a large number of US Catholic leaders were wooed and conned and threw their support behind the guy and gave him “A major award” that I am convinced caused … Notre Dame… to shake her head in shame". Loyalty too often clouds sound judgement with you guys. Wake up before its too late! The leadership of the Catholic Church made a very bad choice. Own it.
And, for the sake of the children, dont do it again.
 
I reverently submit the following:
but test everything that is said. Hold on to what is good.
…1 Thessalonians 5:21
A horrible choice was made… and we are seeing only the beginning of the fruit of that conscious choice.
The influential leaders that you speak of say they are pro life and then threw their support behind a guy that has a crystal clear record of supporting infanticide. And 53% of Catholics listened to them.
Without the Catholic vote … Obama would have been Al Gore.
Joe Sixpack could clearly see what these educated leaders were blind to… and what Barack Obama would do if elected… and he did it.
His past voting record alone proved beyond doubt who the man really is.
Yet a large number of US Catholic leaders were wooed and conned and threw their support behind the guy and gave him “A major award” that I am convinced caused … Notre Dame… to shake her head in shame". Loyalty too often clouds sound judgement with you guys. Wake up before its too late! The leadership of the Catholic Church made a very bad choice. Own it.
And, for the sake of the children, dont do it again.
Again, I can only repeat to you the same thing. Canon Law is very explicit about how you say this and to whom you say it.

You can’t want the Church to be one thing and then try to run around her laws at the same time. Otherwise, everyone is on the wrong train and nothing gets fixed.

Have you said any of this to your local bishop in private?

Have you written to the Sacred Congregation for Bishops?

If you haven’t done the above, then you’re no more within the law than the bishop that you’re accusing of being non compliant.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Christ never said that bishops would be perfect. The role that he entrusted to them was to preach, sanctify and govern. Their personal holiness is between them, God and their spiritual director.

This is not the right time to take the bishops to task and most of us are not the appropriate people to do it. We can present our concerns to the Sacred Congregation for Bishops, when this is over. Right now, we need to be where the Church is and that is where ever the bishop is.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
Well … With all due respect … take time out from mutual pontification and try and do what is right this time because the last time the leadership recommended a political decision that convinced a majority of Catholic voters to run the country into a ditch. And there was absolutely no rational justification for what they did. Children will die and we have the power to stop it. Wake up!!
 
Well … With all due respect … take time out from mutual pontification and try and do what is right this time because the last time the leadership recommended a political decision that convinced a majority of Catholic voters to run the country into a ditch. And there was absolutely no rational justification for what they did. Children will die and we have the power to stop it. Wake up!!
Saying all that here will not help you or your bishop. If you ask for an appointment and speak to him about your concerns, you may help both of you and at the same time you show respect for the dignity of the bishop and for the dignity of your feelings and opinions.

Here, it’s just a rant that will not help, because the people who need to hear your ideas don’t read these fora.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
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