Bishops rip HHS mandate That Forces Coverage of Birth Control, Abortion Drugs

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I thought the new healthcare law passed required all employers to cover their employees. If they didn’t cover them, the employee can buy individual health insurance, but the employer would be fined for not covering them.
The system is set up in such a way that taking the fine will offer more financial regularity or predictability for many organizations. In any case (from my experience with government health insurance in America and the NHS) I imagine the standard of care will be so low as to necessitate at the minimum supplementary insurance, such as is done with medicaid now. I’m a staunch supporter of universal healthcare, but how they’re trying to implement it in America - a bastardized combination of free-market insurance and social insurance - seems doomed to fail on all counts, and hearkens back to Belloc’s prophetic Servile State.
 
Or you could say the penalties are this administration’s form of Jizya.
Only when each and every one of us have to personally kowtow (literally) to the taxman while he whacks us in the face with a condom full of the money we just paid will that be the case.
 
Lord, have mercy on us. 😦

I never thought I’d live to see the day when real persecution of Catholics (let alone any religious group) would occur in the United States of America.

My poor father, an American Veteran… must be rolling over in his grave.
 
Only when each and every one of us have to personally kowtow (literally) to the taxman while he whacks us in the face with a condom full of the money we just paid will that be the case.
Well, we’re taking a figurative smack to the face. Perhaps that’s only the first step.
 
check out Msgr. Charles Pope’s latest post.
blog.adw.org
To what political party does the Catholic Church belong?
Sums up well my frustration with both parties, but of course won’t change anyon’e mind. Just food for thought.
 
Lord, have mercy on us. 😦

I never thought I’d live to see the day when real persecution of Catholics (let alone any religious group) would occur in the United States of America.

My poor father, an American Veteran… must be rolling over in his grave.
The problem, Ms. Veronica, is that we have several layers here. While honesty compels me to admit that the hierarchy has made mistakes, fidelity to my vows and to my Church also compel me to see the other side.

That other side is that we have a significant number of Catholics who are in conflict within themselves and until they resolve those conflicts they will be unable to defend the right of every citizen in this or any country to freedom of religion. The conflict is simple to describe, but not simple to fix. This group of Catholics hates is bishops, priests, brothers and sisters (male and female religious, not siblings). They would like to see half of us in hell and the other half in some black hole.

However, they also find that they still believe that without the benefit of clergy and religious, their souls may be in peril. They have successfully cornered themselves. They hate the very people whom they believe can help them save their souls. In matters of faith, the man in the pew cannot do for himself what only the clergy and religious can do for him. So you end up having to tolerate being fed by the hand that you hate.

The solution is to use the systems that Canon Law has put in place to resolve such issues, concerns and differences. However, that takes time, effort, and humility on all parts. The only way to solutions is through discernment. We should never choose to live with a heart filled with hatred and anger, blaming and pointing fingers. That does not help achieve inner peace. A simple letter asking for an honest, discrete and respectful conversation with ones religious leader may help a great deal. You don’t have to write much. Just reach out to your bishop and ask to talk.

Excellency:

I humbly request an opportunity to meet with you privately, as I have some concerns that affect my spiritual welfare with which only you can help.

Respectfully yours,

Name

The State may not be wise, but it’s shrewd. It knows that it can bully Catholics, because at the end of the day, many Catholics would prefer to be bullied than seek healing between them and their bishops. Satan knows that other than complaining, there are some people who will live with this violation of their rights rather than work with their bishops to find healing and maybe offer the bishop some good advice. Bishops are not omniscient. Sometimes the man on the street understands something much more clearly than the bishop. The bishop will tell you if your solution is morally acceptable or not.

Then you have the other layer. people who believe that this will only affect religious institutions. They have forgotten the small business person who is a person of moral principles. Under this new regulation, he or she will have to purchase these insurance packages, pay the higher premium or pass the cost on to his employees. Insurance companies are not going to offer these services free of charge and the regulation says that the woman may not be charged a co-pay. How else will the insurance company recover its money if it’s not by raising premiums. The millions of private businessmen who have several employees will have to purchase this product, even though it violates their religious beliefs. We have to think about these people as well. They have a conscience and they don’t have any protection except their fellow citizens.

Finally, you come to that last layer of people, the few who understand what’s at stake here. . When a government suppresses one centimeter of its citizen’s rights its on a slippery slope. It can suppress another centimeter and another and another. Who’s to say where the line is to be drawn. We have seen this happen all too often in other countries. But the number of people who see the danger of allowing even one instance of oppression, may not be big enough to impress upon our political leaders that this is a mistake and that it’s the beginning of religious intolerance and religious persecution.

Even the non believer sees this. There are non believers who have expressed dismay about this issue, because they’re smart enough to know that you begin with one constitutional right and you can work your way through the entire constitution before anyone realizes what happened. It does not take more than one generation to enslave a nation.

Unless, we’re willing to keep our heads on, our souls free of anger and resentment toward our own people, we will be unable to work together to find a solution. I do not believe that one has disrespect the government or assault political leaders with labels and names to solve a problem. One has to convince them that their line of thinking is a grave mistake that will cost them their jobs or will cost the nation a very high price. Name calling and partisan politics have never solved anything.

However, laying down the facts can change things. Basically the point has to be made very clearly. Either the government backs down or come election time, there will be many politicians out of a job, because we will not allow our political leaders to ignore the constitution or to interpret it so that it favors a special interest group and hurts millions for generations to come. Remember, the small businessman is just as much at risk of having his conscience violated as is the big Catholic or Jewish Hospital.

We have to deal with this regulation which makes no sense and we also have to reconcile with each other. If we’re not willing to do the latter, the former is going to be very difficult to fix.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Why? Polls don’t divide them up. If they identify themselves as Catholic (and the Church does too), then what does it matter?

I’m not surprised at the poll outcome because most Catholics use ABCs. If most Catholics use ABCs, they’re not going to work against the mandate. They’re going to want easy access to their ABCs, if they have to pay for it out of pocket already. If they’re already getting them, they’ll want to continue getting them.
  1. There is no way to know for sure how many Catholics use contraception.
  2. The number of Catholics who use contraception is irrelevant to the issue of the mandate which infringes on religious freedom and the first amendment.
 
Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod Statement
In a statement issued Feb. 3, Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod President Rev. Dr. Matthew C. Harrison staunchly opposed the recent U.S. Department of Health and Human Services’ (HHS) ruling requiring religious employers to cover contraceptives, including controversial drugs that can kill unborn babies. He called attention to increasingly “overzealous government intrusions” into religious freedom.
“We believe this is a violation of our First Amendment rights,” Harrison said in the statement. He encouraged fellow LCMS members to “join with me in supporting efforts to preserve our essential right to exercise our religious beliefs.”
Harrison’s statement followed the Jan. 20 announcement by HHS that nearly all employers – including religious charities, hospitals and schools – will be required for the first time by law to provide and pay for insurance coverage that includes contraceptives, abortion-inducing drugs and sterilization procedures.
reporter.lcms.org/pages/rpage.asp?NavID=19635
 
  1. There is no way to know for sure how many Catholics use contraception.
  2. The number of Catholics who use contraception is irrelevant to the issue of the mandate which infringes on religious freedom and the first amendment.
Amen, in fact its the distraction, which somehow incorrect thinking draws strength from. Poor act of deception, is exactly what it is.

Fact is Catholic Teaching isn’t the focus. Its the US Constitution and Blantant disregard for it by this administration. Its UN-AMERICAN according the forefathers of this country. But then again Obama has no regard for the Constitution now does he? 🤷
 
The influential leaders that you speak of say they are pro life and then threw their support behind a guy that has a crystal clear record of supporting infanticide. And 53% of Catholics listened to them.
I think your first statement is a mistake. The US bishops did not endorse or support any presidential candidate.
 
The amount of the fine is irrelevant, because it can always be made higher. In addition, the government could simply decree that only those healthcare providers who provide their own employees (perhaps and clients) with the “full range of healthcare options” (abortion) will be eligible to receive Medicare or Medicaid reimbursement. That would put any hospital or health clinic under if they didn’t comply. That Obama would do that is beyond question, as he has done it in the case of human trafficking organizations and foreign aid health programs. Just because a wolf has not bared all his fangs yet, does not mean he doesn’t have them or won’t use them.

Whether or not a majority of Catholics use birth control is not the issue. (The majority, in any event, does NOT abort, which is another thing Obama is mandating) The majority of Catholics sin in one way or another, all the time. Jesus Himself said even the just man sins seven times a day. Are all sins, then, to be subsidized? The real question is whether the Church runs itself when it comes to moral issues or whether Obama does.
 
Originally Posted by Tigg:
This means nothing to faithful Catholics - we don’t care about the polls because within the Church, the majority does not rule nor does democracy apply - only moral truth which we won’t compromise.
I live according to the tenets of my faith. We are obliged to obey our own bishop, and mine, like 90% have said this an unjust law which we may not obey. Individually, we must make a conscious choice offered to us by virtue of our free will. Whatever any other Catholic does, in this sense, is irrelevant to me.
 
It is my understanding that the Church has to provide contraceptives in the insurance policies per several state mandates…where was the “we will not comply” then?🤷
 
It is my understanding that the Church has to provide contraceptives in the insurance policies per several state mandates…where was the “we will not comply” then?🤷
In those states, the Church self insures perscription coverage or has elected not to provide perscription coverage. In the case of the Federal mandate, those options are not possible.
 
Its time for the USCCB to officially endorse the Republican candidate. I’m tired of them saying they are neutral when its is clear that no matter who the Republican nominee is that he will be much more of a pro-life and Christain candidate than Obama, who is the most Anti-Christain President ever.
If the USCCB were to endorse any candidate then they would endanger their non-profit standing. They can speak about issues but the endorsement of a candidate goes a little beyond that.
 
The problem with man is that we want to complain, but we don’t really want to do the necessary work to solve a problem. This is what the Franciscans and Dominicans were told to teach the faithful. Stop complaining and let’s get to work on fixing the problem, beginning with ourselves.

In this case, the first thing that we have to do is decide where do we stand on this point? To whom do we have to speak, the President, the Congress, HHS itself, or someone else? Now that we know to whom we have to speak, let’s do it?
I think you raise a valid point but, in the interest of helping everyone to decide where we stand on this point, i.e. what do we do, let me offer some counterpoints:

There are three groups of Catholics:
  1. Those who are outraged by the HHS policy on ABC and are doing what they can to reverse it.
  2. Those who are outraged by Obamacare (and angry with the bishops for supporting it, in principle).
  3. Those who are sitting on their hands.
I claim that group 2 is entirely contained within group 1. I challenge you find any member of group 2 who is also a member of group 3.

In other words, I think you are worrying about the wrong people.

So, what do we do? Much of what you suggest falls under the category of seeking a policy change from HHS. Suppose this is successful, suppose that HHS reverses this policy.

What would lead you to believe that this policy reversal would not be reversed again after the election or by a future administration of similar ideology?

It is prudent to conclude that this administration is untrustworthy on this issue. The root problem is Obamacare and the power that it gives to HHS. The correct solution is to uproot Obamacare.

That is a very different task than lobbying the administration to change it’s mind. And implicit in this is that the bishops need to come to terms with the inherent problem of viewing health care as a right.
 
Why? Polls don’t divide them up. If they identify themselves as Catholic (and the Church does too), then what does it matter?

I’m not surprised at the poll outcome because most Catholics use ABCs. If most Catholics use ABCs, they’re not going to work against the mandate. They’re going to want easy access to their ABCs, if they have to pay for it out of pocket already. If they’re already getting them, they’ll want to continue getting them.
It might not be this simple. What if they are afraid that imposition of the mandate will result in the loss of their insurance? What if they are repulsed by the federal government telling them what they can do and what they can believe? What if they recognize that the federal government is violating their constitutional rights?
 
Amen, in fact its the distraction, which somehow incorrect thinking draws strength from. Poor act of deception, is exactly what it is.

Fact is Catholic Teaching isn’t the focus. Its the US Constitution and Blantant disregard for it by this administration. Its UN-AMERICAN according the forefathers of this country. But then again Obama has no regard for the Constitution now does he? 🤷
Neither Catholic teaching, nor contraceptives is specifically the issue here. The issue is that this is a test case for breaking the Catholic church and her moral views, and being able to violate constitutional protections for political ends. It’s all about the sheer exercise of power.

The government needs a scapegoat and we have been chosen.
 
The amount of the fine is irrelevant, because it can always be made higher. In addition, the government could simply decree that only those healthcare providers who provide their own employees (perhaps and clients) with the “full range of healthcare options” (abortion) will be eligible to receive Medicare or Medicaid reimbursement. That would put any hospital or health clinic under if they didn’t comply. That Obama would do that is beyond question, as he has done it in the case of human trafficking organizations and foreign aid health programs. Just because a wolf has not bared all his fangs yet, does not mean he doesn’t have them or won’t use them.

Whether or not a majority of Catholics use birth control is not the issue. (The majority, in any event, does NOT abort, which is another thing Obama is mandating) The majority of Catholics sin in one way or another, all the time. Jesus Himself said even the just man sins seven times a day. Are all sins, then, to be subsidized? The real question is whether the Church runs itself when it comes to moral issues or whether Obama does.
Bingo.

We are no more apt to sin than anyone else in this culture. We are more likely to recognize it as sin than they do, however. Just keep that in mind.

When attacked, they have nothing on us except for the fact that we have one kind of moral laws and they have another. Ours prescribe that certain types of behavior are sinful. Theirs prescribes that whatever they want they should have and that anyone who gets in their way or makes them feel guilty about their despicable acts is wrong. This is animalistic, but there you have it.

We have something on them in fact: They deny what they full well know: that they are infringing on us, and we are not infringing upon them. They may lie about that, but it’s true anyway.
 
It might not be this simple. What if they are afraid that imposition of the mandate will result in the loss of their insurance? What if they are repulsed by the federal government telling them what they can do and what they can believe? What if they recognize that the federal government is violating their constitutional rights?
If they were afraid that the imposition of the mandate would result in the loss of their insurance they would have voted against it in the poll. If they were repulsed by the federal government telling them what to do, they would have voted against it. I believe those who voted in favor of it in the poll are in favor of the mandate. Why wouldn’t they be? The majority of Catholics are using ABCs to begin with.
 
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