Bishops rip HHS mandate That Forces Coverage of Birth Control, Abortion Drugs

[iloveangels]

Actually, according to the polls, the majority of Catholics, and the majority of Americans, are opposed to abortion with exceptions, namely rape and when the woman’s life is at risk. And since some regard those who make exceptions as pro-choice, then that would mean the majority are pro-choice. In the most recent poll cited, I believe in LifeNews, only 22% of Catholics are pro-life without any exceptions.

That’s a red herring and a matter of definition.

The key element is that most Catholics are opposed to abortion on demand, which his essentially what this is. Even more, Catholics value our citizenship. It’s a wonderful thing and our constitutional protections are being violated. This is a big deal.

Last weekend, the Army tried to prevent a statement from the Archbishop of the Military Diocese from being read at Mass. It’s none of the government’s business what we Catholics read at Mass. This is a freedom of speech and information issue. It’s a freedom to practice religion issue. Those are huge deals too.

Why are you guys so gloomy about the prospect of beating this? Do you like being had like a cheap floozie by the federal government or something?

Chin up. Over 90% of the bishops have spoken out in unison. Have you heard your bishop’s statement on this yet?

 

[PTL]

I have a terrible feeling that no matter what Obama does most Catholics will be voting for him again.

That is my fear too, but we cannot allow it happen. We must do all we can to help people realize the grave consequence if Obama continues to be the president. It will be the end of this great nation. He will do everything he can to destroy Catholic Church and destroy the Constitution on his second term. He will have no limit. God forbid that.

 

[iloveangels]

That is my fear too, but we cannot allow it happen. We must do all we can to help people realize the grave consequence if Obama continues to be the president. It will be the end of this great nation. He will do everything he can to destroy Catholic Church and destroy the Constitution on his second term. He will have no limit. God forbid that.

That is correct. We have finally reached the end of the slippery slope. It’s suddenly different and this is not like before. It’s no longer possible to go along to get along without participating in the grave sin of abortion on demand ourselves. We need to make sure that the Catholics that we know in our own families and neighborhoods understand this.

If we fail this time, the choice will be even harder next time. Perhaps next time, the government will tell you that you have to marry 2 guys in your parish. Non-descrimination, right? Or that you have to marry a man and a dog in your parish. How would you like that?

Better to pay the fine than to condone something filthy like that.

 

[ajaxbogs]

I would have no problem with a compromise that actually addressed the problem with this mandate. For example, the religious exemption to covering these costs could be extended to those organizations that believe them to be sinful. Then, a separate rider could be granted for those women who want them, paid out of the pockets of these women. That way, the money would be coming only from the individual and the Church would not have to be involved, yet those women who desired these services would still be covered.

I appreciate your attempt to work thru this issue to protect the Church. My intent (however seemingly futile) is to convince voters that this mandate is a clear look into the heart of this administration. But after this mandate & ALL its ANTI-LIFE efforts, this administration’s heart may be shown to be DARK with regards to Catholic/Christian values. Pray that the blinders satan put over our eyes be removed & we vote for LIFE.

 

[InLight247]

That is correct. We have finally reached the end of the slippery slope. It’s no longer possible to go along to get along without participating in the grave sin of abortion on demand ourselves. We need to make sure that the Catholics that we know in our own families and neighborhoods understand this.

There are three kind of people:
Those make it happen,
Those watch it happen,
Those don’t know what has happened.

We must be the people who make things happen and convert the other two kind. We must make sure Obama is not re-elected. At this point, whoever will represent GOP, we need to vote for that person regardless. We need to help our family, friends, and fellow parishioners to realize the evilness of the current administration.

 

[Rence]

That’s a red herring and a matter of definition.

The key element is that most Catholics are opposed to abortion on demand, which his essentially what this is.

Actually, the mandate is about ABCs, not abortion.

Even more, Catholics value our citizenship. It’s a wonderful thing and our constitutional protections are being violated. This is a big deal.

Why are you guys so gloomy about the prospect of beating this? Do you like being had like a cheap floozie by the federal government or something?

The thing is, I don’t feel like I’m ‘being had’. Considering the majority of Catholics use ABCs, it’s not unfathomable for Obama to think this isn’t an important issue for Catholics. In fact, most will benefit from the mandate. Secondly, when I worked for a Catholic hospital years ago, we had ABC coverage. It was available with a $10 copay just like any other prescription with a tier-breakdown. Thirdly, while I do believe Catholics who are opposed to offering this coverage should lobby against it, if it actually does take effect in the end, I don’t see how it wouldn’t fall under “remote cooperation” just like anything else mandated by the government like taxes.

 

[iloveangels]

I would have no problem with a compromise that actually addressed the problem with this mandate. For example, the religious exemption to covering these costs could be extended to those organizations that believe them to be sinful. Then, a separate rider could be granted for those women who want them, paid out of the pockets of these women. That way, the money would be coming only from the individual and the Church would not have to be involved, yet those women who desired these services would still be covered.

This is what the recent Health and Human Services decision was about. They clearly said NO. We are past this part. Catch up.

 

[iloveangels]

Actually, the mandate is about ABCs, not abortion.

Even more, Catholics value our citizenship. It’s a wonderful thing and our constitutional protections are being violated. This is a big deal.

The thing is, I don’t feel like I’m ‘being had’. Considering the majority of Catholics use ABCs, it’s not unfathomable for Obama to think this isn’t an important issue for Catholics. In fact, most will benefit from the mandate. Secondly, when I worked for a Catholic hospital years ago, we had ABC coverage. It was available with a $10 copay just like any other prescription with a tier-breakdown. Thirdly, while I do believe Catholics who are opposed to offering this coverage should lobby against it, if it actually does take effect in the end, I don’t see how it wouldn’t fall under “remote cooperation” just like anything else mandated by the government like taxes.

You are being “had” whether you realize it or not. This has been a “go along to get along” issue for a long time, and we have not taken it seriously. It’s time to put up or shut up. Your constitutional rights are threatened. Don’t you even care???

Last weekend the Army tried to prevent a statement from the Archbishop of the Military from being read during the homily at Mass. Do you think the US government has the right to tell you what you can hear during mass? Do you??

Do you think the US government has the right to tell a Catholic archbishop to shut up about religious issues?

BTW the mandate is about ABORTION and STERILIZATION in addition to artificial birth control. You are misinformed.

 

[iloveangels]

There are three kind of people:
Those make it happen,
Those watch it happen,
Those don’t know what has happened.

We must be the people who make things happen and convert the other two kind. We must make sure Obama is not re-elected. At this point, whoever will represent GOP, we need to vote for that person regardless. We need to help our family, friends, and fellow parishioners to realize the evilness of the current administration.

That is correct. At this point, the Catholic choice is anybody but Obama.

Obama himself has made this very clear.

 

[LisaA]

Churches Backing Obamacare Contraception/Abortifacient Mandate?

christiannewswire.com/index.php?module=releases&task=view&releaseID=18894

FWIW I used to be a Methodist and spent four years in an Episcopalian led Spiritual Direction program. Also had significant interaction with United Church of Christ (aka Unitarians Considering Christ)

All of these “religions” fully embrace Leftist thinking including abortion. Methodists stand for abortion but against the death penalty…kill the innocent, save the guilty! Episcopalians elected the first openly homosexual Bishop, support same sex marriage, and their fearless leader, a female “priest” says she is not sure she believes in God. U.C.C.s had an ad campaign clearly targeting the Catholic church indicating we were racist, homophobes and misogynists as well.

IOW all have some serious issues with Christianity…

It is NO surprise to me that they are all for abortions, sterilization and birth control. You should not be surprised that all of these churches have lost members in droves. They are barely hanging on…trust me I was one of them. You cannot look to any of these wishy washy loosey goosey “faiths” to support Christ’s teachings. It’s the Church of What’s Happening Now.

Lisa Tiber Swim Class of 2005

 

[Rence]

You are being “had” whether you realize it or not. This has been a “go along to get along” issue for a long time, and we have not taken it seriously. It’s time to put up or shut up. Your constitutional rights are threatened. Don’t you even care???

I would care if I felt my constitutional rights are being threatened. The fact is, being offered more benefits is not a threat to me.

Last weekend the Army tried to prevent a statement from the Archbishop of the Military from being read during the homily at Mass. Do you think the US government has the right to tell you what you can hear during mass? Do you???

I believe the government has the right to make sure homilies delivered to the armed forces aren’t designed to lead civilians to “civil disobedience”. What was the letter asking them to do?

BTW the mandate is about ABORTION and STERILIZATION in addition to artificial birth control. You are misinformed.

It is not about abortion. Abortion is not covered in the mandate.

 

[iloveangels]

Actually, the mandate is about ABCs, not abortion.

Even more, Catholics value our citizenship. It’s a wonderful thing and our constitutional protections are being violated. This is a big deal.

The thing is, I don’t feel like I’m ‘being had’. Considering the majority of Catholics use ABCs, it’s not unfathomable for Obama to think this isn’t an important issue for Catholics. In fact, most will benefit from the mandate. Secondly, when I worked for a Catholic hospital years ago, we had ABC coverage. It was available with a $10 copay just like any other prescription with a tier-breakdown. Thirdly, while I do believe Catholics who are opposed to offering this coverage should lobby against it, if it actually does take effect in the end, I don’t see how it wouldn’t fall under “remote cooperation” just like anything else mandated by the government like taxes.

Look Rence. What an individual Catholic does in their own bedroom, they will discuss with God at the end of their life, not me. I don’t need to hear about it at all, and I don’t have anything to say about it. But it is my business if my constitutional rights get abridged because people went limp on this issue. It is my business if the next injustices rend parishes with grief over same-sex marriage and forced ordinations for the sake of non-discrimination, etc.

 

[LisaA]

Actually, the mandate is about ABCs, not abortion.

Even more, Catholics value our citizenship. It’s a wonderful thing and our constitutional protections are being violated. This is a big deal.

The thing is, I don’t feel like I’m ‘being had’. Considering the majority of Catholics use ABCs, it’s not unfathomable for Obama to think this isn’t an important issue for Catholics. In fact, most will benefit from the mandate. Secondly, when I worked for a Catholic hospital years ago, we had ABC coverage. It was available with a $10 copay just like any other prescription with a tier-breakdown. Thirdly, while I do believe Catholics who are opposed to offering this coverage should lobby against it, if it actually does take effect in the end, I don’t see how it wouldn’t fall under “remote cooperation” just like anything else mandated by the government like taxes.

Rence, you like the many Dems on the news shows are focusing on the wrong issue. It is NOT an issue about birth control or even abortion but a religious liberty first amendment issue. Can the Federal Government demand that a church violate its deeply held tenants? I say no and so did the Supreme Court in a recent ruling.

The Obama Administration having no morals or ethics whatsoever made a calculated decision that it was more important to support the abortion lobby, the Left and the feminist agenda than to keep its word to Cardinal Designate Dolan. He was promised, directly, by President Obama that this would not happen.

At any rate the issue is not whether Catholics use ABC or not. It is a religious liberty issue and I think the Obama Administration has demonstrated over and over that it doesn’t give a rat’s patooty about the Constitution. Note Obama’s comment that he couldn’t FORCE his issues down Congress’s throat because of the structure the Founding Fathers created. What a shame, he thought the Presidency was a dictatorship apparently…

Lisa

 

[iloveangels]

I would care if I felt my constitutional rights are being threatened. The fact is, being offered more benefits is not a threat to me. I believe the government has the right to make sure homilies delivered to the armed forces aren’t designed to lead civilians to “civil disobedience”. What was the letter asking them to do?
It is not about abortion. Abortion is not covered in the mandate.

Rence, you are wrong.

From the USCCB website:

“3.The mandate forces coverage of sterilization and abortion-inducing drugs and devices as well as contraception. Though commonly called the “contraceptive mandate,” HHS’s mandate also forces employers to sponsor and subsidize coverage of sterilization.And by including all drugs approved by the FDA for use as contraceptives, the HHS mandate includes drugs that can induce abortion, such as “Ella,” a close cousin of the abortion pill RU-486.”

usccb.org/news/2012/12-021.cfm

It also covers the morning after pill.

About the army ruling:
catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1200490.htm

 

[CMatt25]

If the USCCB were to endorse any candidate then they would endanger their non-profit standing. They can speak about issues but the endorsement of a candidate goes a little beyond that.

But if the truth is there’s only 1 candidate between the GOP candidate and Obama that Catholics can vote for, then this could be read to mean they are more concerned about their non profit standing.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Boehner: Obama birth control mandate 'will not stand’

“This attack by the federal government on religious freedom in our country must not stand and will not stand,” he vowed.

content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/02/boehner-obama-birth-control-mandate-will-not-stand/1

 

[LisaA]

I would care if I felt my constitutional rights are being threatened. The fact is, being offered more benefits is not a threat to me.

I believe the government has the right to make sure homilies delivered to the armed forces aren’t designed to lead civilians to “civil disobedience”. What was the letter asking them to do?

It is not about abortion. Abortion is not covered in the mandate.

Gosh Rence, I guess it’s all about you right? Hey the guy next door is molesting children but since it doesn’t impact ME, I shouldn’t care right? That’s an odd thought process.

As to the military kerfluffle, the letter indicated that Catholic Chaplains would not obey the order. Does this sound like a call to riot or to treason? I don’t but in any case the sentence was struck so the Obama Administration could save face.

YES IT IS ABOUT ABORTION. There are a number of ABCs that cause abortion, including the Morning After Pill and the new “week after” pill. Aside from that many birth control products function by not allowing a fertilized egg to implant. This too is abortion. Under the mandate such products and sterilization must be offered. This is completely against our consistent Life Ethic…from conception until natural death.

Lisa

 

[iloveangels]

But if the truth is there’s only 1 candidate between the GOP candidate and Obama that Catholics can vote for, then this sounds like they are more concerned about their non profit standing.

Oh Baloney. Stop looking for an excuse, CMatt.

 

[Bubba_Switzler]

I would care if I felt my constitutional rights are being threatened. The fact is, being offered more benefits is not a threat to me.

This is a dangerously short-sited view. In fact, I seriously doubt that you really hold the view that anything that does not directly and immediately affect you is of no concern to you.

Tyrants always offer benefits in exchange for liberty.

Spend your 30 pieces of silver carefully.

 

[Rence]

Rence, you are wrong.

From the USCCB website:

“3.The mandate forces coverage of sterilization and abortion-inducing drugs and devices as well as contraception. Though commonly called the “contraceptive mandate,” HHS’s mandate also forces employers to sponsor and subsidize coverage of sterilization.And by including all drugs approved by the FDA for use as contraceptives, the HHS mandate includes drugs that can induce abortion, such as “Ella,” a close cousin of the abortion pill RU-486.”

usccb.org/news/2012/12-021.cfm

It also covers the morning after pill.

Yes, I know that’s what the Bishops say.