Bishops vote for more time and delayed action

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https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/...holy-see-to-release-mccarrick-documents-75688

So the vote was to encourage the Vatican to release all of it’s documentation regarding McCarrick and his misconduct and it failed to pass by a final tally of 83 to 137, with 3 abstaining. With the usual players at the forefront trying to defend their inaction. Who also happen to be some of the same men named in the Viganò letters.

It appears that many are simply biding their time until February of next year, but their motives seem disingenuous at best.

The tragedy of all of this, is that they are trying to protect something and it doesn’t feel like it’s the victims or the laity.
 
As fun as it is to pile on the usual suspects, there was a fairly clear majority, so it’s hard to blame just a few bishops for that.
 
MapleLeaf1 said:
As fun as it is to pile on the usual suspects, there was a fairly clear majority, so it’s hard to blame just a few bishops for that.
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I wasn’t attempting to pile on the few, but merely pointed out that it was the usual suspects who were doing the same ol song and dance.

The fact that 60% of the bishops voted in favor of not passing the measure was telling. It’s sad and disturbing that this is the current state of our Church.
 
I agree with the USCCB and the Vatican. This doesn’t bother or disturb me in the least.
 
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Well it bothers me that much of what has taken place since this past June will not be addressed until approximately 8 months after the fact!
 
Reading this article and all the minutiae of the various amendments and votes, I couldn’t help but think the American bishops are fiddling while Rome burns.

With ‘Rome’ being the American Church, not Rome, obviously. Hmmm, maybe this isn’t the best expression to use when one of the parties is actually Rome 😜
 
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Here is another similar article.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/...f-abuse-scandal-ensues-at-usccb-meeting-31318

This part stuck out to me:

“Archbishop Thomas Wenski of Miami joked at the beginning of his comments that the bishops should be glad Donald Trump is president, otherwise the Church would be receiving even more attention and “bad press” than it already has.

He urged the bishops not to get “distracted” by the media, and not to give in to the “industry and addiction” of outrage. Most people are not hung up on the sex abuse crisis, he said.

“People are coming to Church, they’re praying, they’re sending their kids to Catechism, the life of the Church is moving on. If you’re not reading the blogs, if you’re not watching cable TV, this is not front and center for most of our people,” he said.

“We’ve done a lot, we have to tell our story better and not get played in the outrage business and get back to what we’re supposed to be doing as pastors,” he said, to applause from some bishops.”

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I don’t think at least some of these bishops are understanding why so many are outraged, and they seem unable (unwilling?) to get past their denial. Instead they have chosen to shame people for what they themselves have done and the mess they have created.
 
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I wonder how the vote would have looked if you factored out the bishops appointed since 2014, compared with those appointed or already in the pipeline as of Spring 2013.
 
About events that took place decades ago and have already been addressed by the John Jay Report.
 
Much of this concerns matters not addressed, or after the John Jay report.
The plan is that later on, the Public attention will fade. Then they can argue it would be divisive to dredge up old issues, “Time to put that behind us, time for unity and healing”.
 
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It’s possible they are afraid of backlash from Rome. Which also tells me that things will never get better within the USCCB on their own. They are more concerned with protecting themselves than protecting the laity and the truth!

Nothing will get accomplished in February and I’m praying I’m wrong, but given what just happened at the conference, I don’t foresee Pope Francis or any of the hierarchy taking any meaningful action to combat this issue, because for one they can’t even agree what the problem is and some don’t even think there is a problem.
 
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It’s possible they are afraid of backlash from Rome. Which also tells me that things will never get better within the USCCB on their own.

some don’t even think there is a problem.
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In fairness to the bishops, they are all getting tarred with the same brush as the bad guys. They get trashed by the secular media, and most laity are brainwashed by the media.

They get little support from their clergy, who are themselves under horrible attack.

In the past they can could get helpful leadership from Rome.
…(no comment by me)

Keep in mind the papal advisors running rampant, denying accepance of homosexual actions have anything to do with any problem.

Pray for the bishops.
 
It’s possible they are afraid of backlash from Rome.
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I agree… I suspect that even if the bishops had voted to ask for any documents on McCarrick, Rome would have said “no, we’ll handle this ourselves” anyway.
 
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Yeah let’s not kid ourselves that even if that statement about encouraging the Vatican to release the McCarrick files would have passed, that it would have made any difference. Pope Francis and the Vatican have set their course, and they are not going to deviate from it unless something drastic happens (like in Chile).
 
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Well,I have a doubt. Sincerely,I do not know.
If there is going to be a regular Canonical Trial on the Mc Carrick case,would it be common practice to release documentation before the Trial?
I haven t found if there is a date for this trial,but it is my understanding there would be one…I may be wrong.
 
Keep in mind the papal advisors, the Pope Francis Cardinals, and the Jesuit America magazine are going after ++Vigano right now. They are not waiting.
 
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If there is going to be a regular Canonical Trial on the Mc Carrick case,would it be common practice to release documentation before the Trial?
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The documentation that needs to be released pertains not to ++McCarrick’s personal guilt, but to possible involvement of others, and/or poor procedures in place. The fact that certain Cardinals named in the letter did not recuse themselves from the Bishop’s vote is appalling. The fact that a papal advisor who was named is part of America magazine, which is now going after the “whistleblower”, is scary.

Just as with Watergate, it is not just the original allegations that raise concerns, but the extreme response.
 
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I cannot imagine that with all there is to do,anyone would waste time going after him.
There is serious work to be done and formal procedures.
And about the magazine,he is a member of the Church condemned for stealing from his brother.
It is transparency too to report this,and once the Tribunal has determined.
We didn t bring it up before…you would have said it was gossip and attacking the character. Well,it was not. It was some sort of respect in a fair process.
 
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I believe there must be a more orderly formal procedure so that is what I was asking about.
Thank you for replying anyway,Commenter.
 
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