Black Woman Refuses To Let Flight Attendant Pass Her On Plane Because Of "White Privilege"

[Feanor2]

No sorry. It wasn’t. I am using my phone and mistakenly posted

 

[SlavaIsusuChristu]

No worries!

 

[IslesRoo40]

Out of all of the airline flights in the US daily and 10s of thousands of passengers, there’s one video of someone behaving badly. What is this supposed to represent?

Not sure. But something tells me if I tweaked this question a bit to…“Out of all the 911 calls in the US daily and 10s of thousands of cops, there’s one video of a cop behaving badly. What is this supposed to represent?”… Well let’s just say, a person can get cancelled pretty quickly for daring to ask such a question.

 

[goout]

I wan’t making the case for that.

 

[gam197]

gam197:

I don’t know where the guidelines are coming from.

Multiple places. When it’s not known, it may be better to not attribute it.

The Federal Aviation Administration and Canadian Air Regulations both have guidance (suggestions) and rules relating to COVID-19, as do the regulating bodies for aviation in other countries. Additionally an airline may have a set of rules that it enforces. Those rules may be from the guidance that they have decided to mandate, or it may be something that have come up with themselves. For international flights a flight may also enforce rules from more than one nation. An airport may also have COVID-19 specific rules.

I was not trying to single Canada. I was making the case for mask-wearing on children in general. That case in Canada, the father claims the child was actually underage where she was not required to wear a mask and the whole flight was canceled.

 

[gam197]

27lw:

Just out of curiosity, how do you know for sure that people were treated badly due to their race? Is it possible it could have been for some other reason?

If that were true, in that particular instance (or instances) , did you do anything about it?

I don’t want to go into too many details due to the business I’m in, but there have been instances where it’s been glaringly obvious that coworkers with a great deal of experience and impeccable credentials are either ignored or treated condescendingly . It sometimes starts right before the first handshake when we walk in the door and see the look of surprise on people’s faces.

Are people too sensitive or are we all overly sensitive today. One person does something now we all have “white privilege”. The woman on this airplane seem to feel that anyone who questioned her judgement on the issue has “white privilege”. Has this been an underlying feeling since the Civil War that has been pushed down and that is just surfacing. It would not seem so.

Why does this woman feel this way, saying in the video it is 2020?

 

[ThinkingSapien]

One person does something now we all have “white privilege”.

Aside that there does not appear to be an agreement with the meaning of the term, I don’t think that this singular incident has enough influence to determine whether or not a person has such privilege.

Why does this woman feel this way

That’s a good question. I have lots of questions of the context surrounding the video. Was there some provoking incident that preceded the video? Was there some event that raised agitation levels and contributed to the confrontation?

Flight attendants receiving abuse is more common than one might know. One of my family members is a flight attendant, and he has told me stories of being called names, cursed at, being spat on, and allegations being made against him with the apparent intent of jeopardizing his employment status. A friend of mine is a flight attendant and she’s complained about being sexually harassed (there is also a history of flight attendants being sexualized, but that is another conversation). That’s anecdotal. But other stories tell similar stories.

Flight attendants reported a significant amount of verbal and physical misconduct from passengers who had taken medication in a new study from Direct Line Insurance Group.

The company surveyed 100 flight attendants in March about their experiences during the prior year. (The study does not specify which airlines the respondents work for.) 38% of respondents said they had been physically abused by a passenger who had taken medication, while 46% said they had received a verbal insult from a medicated passenger. 7% of respondents said they had been sexually harassed by a medicated passenger.

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Perhaps if the potential 250,000 USD fine and 20-year sentence were more well-known people might be less combative. I don’t know.

 

[gam197]

gam197:

Why does this woman feel this way

That’s a good question. I have lots of questions of the context surrounding the video. Was there some provoking incident that preceded the video? Was there some event that raised agitation levels and contributed to the confrontation?

Flight attendants receiving abuse is more common than one might know. One of my family members is a flight attendant, and he has told me stories of being called names, cursed at, being spat on, and allegations being made against him with the apparent intent of jeopardizing his employment status. A friend of mine is a flight attendant and she’s complained about being sexually harassed (there is also a history of flight attendants being sexualized, but that is another conversation). That’s anecdotal. But other stories tell similar stories.

Flight attendants receiving abuse i

There does not appear to be anything else going on… She tries to get by. Maybe she is too abrupt and the woman takes it as an insult, have no idea but she is way overboard and when others try to say, she just wants to get by, she takes them all on and anyone who questions her has “white privilege”.

gam197:

One person does something now we all have “white privilege”.

Aside that there does not appear to be an agreement with the meaning of the term, I don’t think that this singular incident has enough influence to determine whether or not a person has such privilege.

Does that become a separate issue in who determines when a person has this “white privilege”?

 

[ThinkingSapien]

Does that become a separate issue in who determines when a person has this “white privilege”?

Conversatiinal language usage is democratic. Each speaker/listener makes their own decision on acceptance or rejection of the term usage and may come up with their own usage. There is no SSoT for the usage. Disagreement may continue.

 

[gam197]

We should not allow ourselves to become angry over incidents like this. Out of the millions of interactions between black people and white, there will be some people of each race acting like jerks.

All this does is to pull people into the whirlpool of recriminations and to add to the division between the races.

And that is what people who post these kinds of things want.

That is not why I posted this. I saw this article and wondered why this woman got so angered and then when people turned and tried to say, hey calm down, she turned on them as if what she was saying was a fact.

We now see this over and over, but only recently, this accusation of “white privilege” and I am just wondering where all of this is coming from and what should they have done with her. Should she be reprimanded for interfering in the flight or should as a person remarked about her, and the incident, they should just look the other way. It appears they have done that. It was suggested that if someone calls one out for having “white privilege” that instead of reparations, we are now paying back a past debt. If that is the case, should people just ignore the accusation,’ that may make some people very angry.

We have heard over and over again tolerance and patience with each other.

 

[ThinkingSapien]

And we are expected to just lay down and take this crap?

Should she be reprimanded for interfering in the flight

Coming back to this, I sent the video to a flight attendant and asked him for his assesment of what was going on.

He informed me that this was at least a level 1 flight disturbance and sent me the FAA descriptions for the various levels.

1. Disruptive behavior - suspicious or threatening
2. Physically abusive behavior
3. Life-threatening behavior
4. Attempted or actual breach of the flight deck

He also told me that such behaviours can lead to the airline having to pay additional fees for occupying the gate longer than necessary. If this were due to a passenger disturbance, that passenger could find themselves responsible for those fees.

The flight attendant in the video said “I need to disarm my door.” The flight attendant I spoke to told me the door must be disarmed before they can pull into the gate and let people off. When a door is armed, opening it will result in the escape slide deploying. This lady was delaying the the procedures for letting people off the plane.

Even if Spirit airlines does nothing this lady may not have escaped punishment. The FAA can and does look at evidence of incidents on social media and have been known to fine people.

(Helpful hint to new drone flyers: do not upload your drone footage to YouTube as the FAA may examine it for violations)

This doesn’t happen often ( it has happened more than zero times). If a person is disturbing enough, the Flight attendants can recruit passengers to aid in physically restraining an unruly passenger. An incident in recall in which this did occur is when a passenger tried to open a door in mid flight; something with potentially deadly consequences.

There are a lot of incidents that have occurred on planes. Many if them involve alcohol or drugs.

 

[Annie]

That is not why I posted this. I

Oh, I didn’t think that; I just noticed some replies which were somewhat heated.k

what should they have done with her

You know… I think she was bullying. I think she wanted to stir up trouble and get a certain reaction.

I have noticed that people who are away from their “home turf” will behave differently, and we even have a phrase, "what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas, to describe that.

. . . .

So this woman seems to have wanted to provoke reaction: she escalated what she said, first white privelege then I am a queen. She was threatening:

"You need to understand, you don’t run America no more sweetheart,” she tells the blonde white woman before explaining how she once “slapped the - - - -” out of a “white - - - - -” for disrespecting her.

The others responded calmly and did not react to her provocation, either by backing down or getting heated themselves.

Altho she used a racial context for her bullying, bullies come from all backgrounds and just use what works.

 

[sallybutler]

Bullies and rude people know no gender or color or economic status.