Don’t confused this issue with any facts. It is bigger than the truth. Lifestyles are at stake here. Facts, and God’s truth just aren’t enough for some people. They want the truth, and God to be warm and fuzzy, and fun, and conform to their desires.
Not always, no. Here’s an example of why I hate this kind of argument.
Depends on the individual organization. But many times the origins of the organization have absolutely no bearing on what they’re doing today. Again, I pull out the example of Nasa. Nasa was founded by Nazis, but it has developed many new technologies from the exploration of space travel.
The not reporting statutory rape is something to be concerned about, but, there’s the issue of right to privacy which complicates things. In this context I am not sure what would be the right choice. And statutory rape is a very complicated issue to deal with, because of the emotions that cause knee-jerk and irrational reactions and generalizations about it.
My favorite is WWII but I study many eras and aspects of history. The study of history can show people how to avoid errors that keep on coming back to bite us in the behind.
Again methinks that some are not reading the links provided to back up arguments. This excellent link by Leebo in post #19 gave the answer to why it is important to not let the sleeping dog (in this case, Margaret Sanger) lie. I have only copied/pasted the first paragraph.
Well I never said once evil, always evil … I said look at the roots, look at the orgaization and look at the results …
But as illustrated the actions of Planned Parenthood are exactly what Margaret Sanger advanced … right up to taking money to insure the abortion of a “Black” baby to prevent affirmative action from interfereing with the job prospects of the donor’s children [this was what the donor told the planned parenthood employee was the reason they wanted to donate to abort an african american child] … the telling young girls to “hang up, call back and don’t tell us any information about _____” is common practice … This is the PPH of today …
Emotions … yes, a 26 year old man impregnates a 13 year old, takes her to the PPH clinis …all of the evidence is disposed of and her parents need never know …
copied from link below. For more deaths attribute to abortion see the complete article here at this link:
Y’all said it better than anyone else so far. Planned Parenthood is an anti-American, anti-Christian, racist, fascist organization that has duped some of the best and brightest over the past half-century. It is time for the MSM to out this organization for what it is. Unfortunately, I’m sure they, PPH, have plenty of allies at CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, etc. It makes me wonder, is the truth really that hard to see?
Leebo, I found those numbers to be quite interesting. Do you have a website citation for those demographic statistics?
Mary, statistics can be used to link things that they may or may not have a ‘cause and effect’ relationship. Higher education levels and “more organized lives” do not cause, require, or result from people using birth control or abortion. Nor can the opposite be true, birth control and abortion do not cause, require, or result from people having ‘more organized lives.’… it has been statistically proven that people with more organized lives tend to use birth control to limit their family size much more effectively than uneducated, drug addicts and under employed single parents, who don’t have their acts together and susidize their incomes with handouts from the government.
the version i heard was worse than that… that the Planned P. person on the phone @ PP was blatantly racist also… & ws encouraging the caller’s prejudice…
Who are you to call someone “incapable” and how dare you imply that “underemployed” people are not (cannot be)good parents??
organized lives?? I have found that those who are the most "organized’ are also rthe LEAST Christ-like… Just my opinion… since you want to state yours…Yet since that time it has been statistically proven that people with more organized lives tend to use birth control to limit their family size much more effectively than uneducated, drug addicts and under employed single parents, who don’t have their acts together and susidize their incomes with handouts from the government.
Church teaching is clear. Abortion is wrong in every instance. no exceptions. What is laughable is to suggest that PPH today is going out of its way to selectively abort minority babies. The statistics are being used in a way that any competent statistician would tell you is totally erroneous.
I repeat is it your serious contention that PPH is offering substandard condoms for the express and stated purpose to exterminate African Americans? Do you have proof for example that they do not give out these condoms to white clients?
Anecdotal only. Do you have proof that this is a policy of the organization and if so, cite to the specific document.
No one should be forced to see photographs of fetuses to satisfy the right to life group.This is just part and parcel of the mentality that women are too stupid to know what they are doing and need to be taught of the terrible thing they are doing. IT is condenscending. Again, there are good arguments against abortion, this is not one.
I don’t care IF Sanger was all you say. No more than I care what Henry Ford thought of Jews or Hitler or fascism.
I am making no claim about Catholics and racism. I know Catholics are very concerned about racism. I do believe that this claim about PPH is simply erroneous to the point of being laughable. It will not stand up and makes the Church look foolish. It is not a good argument period.
I fail to see where you get the impression I am indicting the Church or anyone on their efforts to address minority issues. I would argue only that this one does not in any way. Nobody is going to stop using contraception because Margaret Sanger was a racist.
No, I said that it is not church teaching to claim that PPH is some racist organization bent on destroying black people. The Church knows much better than that I presume. She can attack PPH for solid reasons based on scripture. And I have no where stated that I have little problem with abortion. I do have little trouble with those folks who use contraception since I find NFP little different, just a matter of semantics. Been done to death as a thread too.
Spout? No I reported a statistic. Please, what is yours? You dispute that 98% of the population uses contraception? Show me otherwise. Pew is a highly regarded polling firm, that is respected and used by all faiths and denominations from what I have seen. They’re results are freely available at their site. They are often reported on all the networks and other new agencies. If you have other stats, I have yet to see them. No one has shown me any others yet.
Martin Luther King was all in favor of “progressive” social justice ideas. He was very critical of Christian religion for its complicity in oppression and its negligence of social justice.
No this in not anecdotal, on more than one occasion PPH has said they would accept donations that are clearly made withthe intent to target “black” babies.
We require warning lales on cigarettes and alcoholic drinks and in restaurants that serve drinks that warn of health hazards … in a Dr. office they are required to discuss all of the side affects and alternatives to every medical proceedure. Even commercials for various drugs have to ist every potential side affect however remote or slight …except when it comes to providing abortions …
why? Afraid of the truth?? If you are afraid of truth now… what about when you die and meet Truth face to face??
not stupid but un-informed… A person who doesn’t know how to perform brain surgery is not stupid… necessarily.
Is not…
so, are you pro or con??
If you don’t care, why Post??
I am completely absolutely against abortion of any kind. And I posted on another thread exactly the idea you have stated in your last sentence above. I think one of the strongest and most effective ways to stop the flow of abortions is to make the idea of having a child as attractive as possible through monetary and spiritual support of the mother. I am asking if anyone knows if any of the pro-life groups have a lobby in Washington fighting for the mothers who after having their babies are then the only ones responsible for raising them? These women feel alone, are for the most part alone without financial and emotional support from family, husband, boyfriend. We not only have the responsiblity to save the lives of unborn children, we also have the responsibility of helping the mothers make better lives for themselves and their children.
Ok.
There are many people who work to assist mother’s in raising their children and providing alternatives to abortion … also adoption is a loving choice …far more loving than the option to kill …
you need to look up anecdotal. Your examples are just that and only that. You have yet to show a stated in writing policy to this effect.
If not a stated policy you are on thin ice. Stated policy is reflected in its encorportion documents or other statements from authorized policy manuals. Furthermore, it is not the usual practice of such groups to act as surrogate police departments. Lawyers also do not report the crimes committed by clients who come to them for advice. Privilege occurs between patient and doctor.
For the same reasons that health care workers don’t wish to divulge information about aids patients and lawyers don’t provide information about their clients. There are sensitive issues of privacy at stake and the use of such services is chilled to the degree that clients cannot expect that their presence and case will be held private by the institution. Do you recall when libraries refused to give the Govt information about the lending practices of library patrons? We still value privacy in this country even though the government tries mightily to remove it from us.
Are you now claiming that PPH offers no material explaining the procedures, alternatives and possible side effects if any of any particular procedure? I doubt you can prove that allegation. That is a far cry from insisting that women view pictures of fetuses. That is not a warming, that is intimidation pure and simple.
Then they can say that babies come from rainbows. You can’t speculate like this and use it as argument. What the “can” say is not what they must say.
What in the world do they haev to fear in full disclosure? Please substantiate your claim that they do not. And what is full disclosure in your eyes? If full disclosure means showing pictures of fetuses you are on shaking ground. Any woman knows that she is carrying a fetus, that is why she is there. She need not be shown it to be sure. The method is offered as intimidation as your lack of good reasoning shows.
What means are they supposed to offer? An actual agency? Would you then not be claiming that they had a conflict of interests? Aborting non-placeable babies and talking “good candidates” into adoption? Your reasoning is again probably not permitted by law, probably immoral, and certainly unwise.
Don’t say sure with out backing it up. As I stated before, clinics are often placed in proximity to areas where there is easy access by those who most commonly use the services. This is logical again, not sinister as you would like it to be. Clinics need to be on bus routes ideally since often minorities use this as their basic transportation. I guess you have had little contact with the poor. Many of my clients got jobs when directed to do so by the Court, most of the jobs were in places they could not ultimately get to by bus. But you are correct, clinics are not found in upscale neighborhoods. Those women get their abortions from their specialists in nice big hospitals with private suites which they can well afford.