Blacks: Did you know this, concerning racism?

[SpiritMeadow]

why? Afraid of the truth?? If you are afraid of truth now… what about when you die and meet Truth face to face??

Your attempt at belligerent remarks are noted. the demand that women be shown fetuses is merely a trick of intimidation. Don’t you assume they know they are pregnant?

not stupid but un-informed… A person who doesn’t know how to perform brain surgery is not stupid… necessarily.

As I said, they know they are pregnant.

If you don’t care, why Post??

Because foolish arguments impact on how My church is viewed and do nothing to solve the problem. In fact they are actually couterproductive and a disservice to serious people who want to end abortion.

 

[SpiritMeadow]

Ok.

guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_contr_use.html#ref2

That 98% you’re referring to is the percentage of women in their childbearing years who have used contraception at least once. The percentage of fertile, sexually active women who do not want children that use it regularly is 89%.

Of course, this is based on six year old statistics. Pew might be using newer numbers. However, I was unable to find a study on their website related to contraception use. Perhaps you could link us?

LOL…you cite a 9% reduction and what? claim that is somehow important? Okay, lets go with your figure. 89% of all women use contraception regularly. Better? ONly 98% have used it once. Boy, I’m sure glad that we now know how very few women actually use contraception.

 

[jimmy]

Dr. King had a doctorate degree and read Hegel.

I doubt he praised her in ignorance.

She was anti-Catholic and a bigot in that respect if it helps

She was into Eugenics as well.

 

[YADA]

you need to look up anecdotal. Your examples are just that and only that. You have yet to show a stated in writing policy to this effect.

Anecdotal is not like scientific results [measuring / recording the distance between two points and then analyzing the results and forming a conclusion] …

You must think Anecdotal as in unrealiable? Anecdotal means heresay, with doubt of veracity …

Well … the audio tapes provide the proof of the exchange [and the ones of the donor are chilling] … so no that is not anecdotal … as it has been verified … and enough of this type of data has been obtained to illustrate a corporate culture that promotes [requires] this type of action by the employees …

You remind me of the leasing company that attempted to hold me to the “fine” print of a contract … but the fiine print was counter to the actual termms applied in the first two years of the lease an countered written documents that the originating company sent me at the time of the initial lease [the original lease was sold to this new lease company] …

The lease company … the documentation provided supports yur position but it is not signed … therfore you have to comply with X, Y and Z …

My attorney … “this is called a bait and switch” … also, not all contracts are signed … there are verbal contracts and they are enforcable in courts of law…

Guess what, I paid according to the “unsigned” this is what you can expect from your lease … document mailed to me and not the bait and switch they attempted …

And to your “it has to be written in the company documents” … don’t make me laugh … the Bureau of Labor and Industries [BOLI] and Courts throughout the US have found that companies had institutional practices [some of which were prohinited by the companies written policies] that were discriminitory, harrassing, etc …

 

[BlaineTog]

LOL…you cite a 9% reduction and what? claim that is somehow important? Okay, lets go with your figure. 89% of all women use contraception regularly. Better? ONly 98% have used it once. Boy, I’m sure glad that we now know how very few women actually use contraception.

98% is one in fifty that doesn’t use it. 89% is about 1 in ten. That’s a pretty big difference.

However, I would still like to see more recent numbers. As I said, I was unable to find them. Would you mind helping me?

(And I don’t think my post deserved the tenor of your response. I was trying to be civil, because incivility and lack of charity doesn’t reflect well on the church any more than poor argumentation).

 

[elts1956]

There are many people who work to assist mother’s in raising their children and providing alternatives to abortion … also adoption is a loving choice …far more loving than the option to kill …

Here is a profile of priest [God bless his soul] who stated a home for unwed mothers in 1975 and now has three …

priestsforlife.org/newsletters/v7n2marapr97.html#PriestProfile

He passed away just last week … you can read about his passing here:

sentinel.org/node/9225

This man worked his enire life helping young women have thier babies and eithr keep them or placce them for adoption … Oregon Right to Life and Birthright worked with him and he with them … lobby - yes …

The Knights of Columbus worked with and financially support Monsiegnor Taaffee …

My question is what do you do to help … ask for more governement aid … and sit ack and wait for the government hand out money just because a paerson reproduces? …

Jesus never once said to lobby the government for the poor … Jesus said to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, care for the sick and the poor and visit the imprisoned … that means it is up to us to value those in need … the babies and thier mothers …

*** it is up to us to open our hearts, wallets and our homes*** …

We have supported this project and many others … with our time, talent and treasure …

PS as an aside … I continually hear how the Pro_life people are single issue … I won’t tell you about me … but this is the norm for the Pro-Life [Very actively Pro-Life] folks I know …
One couple who live in my parisha nd attend daily mass here at our local parish - are resistered and attend Sunday Mass at a large inner city parish - they feel that it is more important for their contributions support that parish due to its greater need … they work twice a week at that parish’s food pantry … they contribute hours assisting the poor … Another member of my parish works at that food pantry every week …

I have many friends who make baby clothes and purchase baby items [cribs, strollers, etc] for unwed mothers… many of my Pro - life friends also volunteer at and financially support JOIN an organization that assists people in moving from the streets into permanent housing … they volunteer with St. VIncent de Paul … and a host of other organizations …

WE ARE NOT SINGLE ISSUE NOR DO WE ABANDON MOTHERS AFTER THE BIRTHS OF THEIR CHILDREN!

Dear Yada, If you will note please, I didn’t accuse anyone, or any pro life group of not helping the pro life agenda as they can. I have all admiration for people who can get in and personally fight up to their elbows for the unborn child and the mother who has to rear them. The pro-abortion people have voices at a national level to help them be heard. So ALL I am asking is why don’t we as pro-lifers have the same ability to be heard? I could be wrong and I apologize in advance if I step on anyone’s toes, but it seems to me that we as the defenders of life seem to form groups here and there who are not coalesced into strong units that can make a difference on public opinion and in Washington. THAT IS ALL I WAS TRYING TO SAY. I am NOT negating any attempts at helping the pro-life stance no matter how little inroads are OBVIOUSLY being made as compared to the successes of the pro abortion groups. It seems ours is an underground movement while those for abortion rights are still earnestly throwing babies into wastecans.

Also please note Jesus didn’t say NOT to lobby for government support. I think we need to take advantage of any honest help at our disposal. I would lobby for the attention of our government representatives to make them aware it is not only the pro abortion people who vote. I would lobby with strong pro-life groups in order to place our beliefs before the elected officials to get monetary support from the government just as planned parenthood and others of their ilk do to be used for the purposes of life rather than death.

I don’t think I said anything negative in my previous post denigrating the wonderful help people are giving in the pro life groups. Sometimes it seems when a “different” idea is proposed on some of these threads, they are seen as a threat to already established ideas. I am sorry if some seem to see them as that. Please give the benefit of the doubt to posters. If you don’t quite understand what is said ASK QUESTIONS, please don’t just get angry, or feel insulted. Get a dialogue and communication started. That is how we will learn about one another and in what we believe.

 

[YADA]

…but it seems to me that we as the defenders of life seem to form groups here and there who are not coalesced into strong units that can make a difference on public opinion and in Washington. THAT IS ALL I WAS TRYING TO SAY. …

Okay, I hear you … we do advocate on a national level … part of the real issue here is not that the Pro-Aborts have lobbied well on the national level … they do not do that well … nor so they truly capture the hearts and minds of the american people …

What the Pro-Aborts have been successful at [and extremely so] is creating law with judicial fiat …

The second thing the Pro-Aborts are successful with is the propoganda war … hence the terminology becomes …

Pro-Choice …
but the porpoganda stops there … pro choice to choose what … is left unsaid …

Feotus …
And what is the definition of a feotus? Young, offspring, child? … A baby …

Fetal Tissue …
The its just a blob of cells … not a real baby, with a heart beat …

Most people do not realize that abortion from conception to just before being fully born is the law of the land … most believe that it is prohibited in the third trimester … and the “health” of the mother is code language for abortion for any reason …

“Keep your Rosaries off my Ovaries” pictures of Pro-Aborts sells newspapers and plays to ant-catholic sentiments … it is not lobbying but propoganda … and yellow journalism works [at least for a time] … always has …

But we have much to be proud of …

CHeck out these sites:

This one is from the Oregon Right to Life and is very successfull … spend some time there … surprisingly lots of young men have used the site …

standupgirl.com/

and here is Oregon Right to Life … ortl.org/

Also, next January 22nd [or the weekend close to it] attend a rally in support of Life… They have one [or more] in every state and in Washington DC … To get media coverage we have to have bodies on the ground … take the day and make a stand … vote pro-life …

Donate to organizations like this one:
stbrigidhome.org/

Sadly Mgns. Taaffee passed away this month but his three homes will continue to provide assistance to young mothers and their children…

Volunteer at BirthRight or another Crisis pregnancy center …

Take a Stand … don’t decry the oppositions organization but strengthen ours …

 

[elts1956]

Okay, I hear you … we do advocate on a national level … part of the real issue here is not that the Pro-Aborts have lobbied well on the national level … they do not do that well … nor so they truly capture the hearts and minds of the american people …

What the Pro-Aborts have been successful at [and extremely so] is creating law with judicial fiat …

The second thing the Pro-Aborts are successful with is the propoganda war … hence the terminology becomes …

Pro-Choice …
but the porpoganda stops there … pro choice to choose what … is left unsaid …

Feotus …
And what is the definition of a feotus? Young, offspring, child? … A baby …

Fetal Tissue …
The its just a blob of cells … not a real baby, with a heart beat …

Most people do not realize that abortion from conception to just before being fully born is the law of the land … most believe that it is prohibited in the third trimester … and the “health” of the mother is code language for abortion for any reason …

“Keep your Rosaries off my Ovaries” pictures of Pro-Aborts sells newspapers and plays to ant-catholic sentiments … it is not lobbying but propoganda … and yellow journalism works [at least for a time] … always has …

But we have much to be proud of …

CHeck out these sites:

This one is from the Oregon Right to Life and is very successfull … spend some time there … surprisingly lots of young men have used the site …

standupgirl.com/

and here is Oregon Right to Life … ortl.org/

Also, next January 22nd [or the weekend close to it] attend a rally in support of Life… They have one [or more] in every state and in Washington DC … To get media coverage we have to have bodies on the ground … take the day and make a stand … vote pro-life …

Donate to organizations like this one:
stbrigidhome.org/

Sadly Mgns. Taaffee passed away this month but his three homes will continue to provide assistance to young mothers and their children…

Volunteer at BirthRight or another Crisis pregnancy center …

Take a Stand … don’t decry the oppositions organization but strengthen ours …

You are absolutely right Yada. I just get so frustrated hearing pro choice in the news and nothing is ever said about pro life. I would like to know your opinions of how the pro abort judicial fiat came to be. Were they more vocal than us? Did we just sit back and let it happen? I know the news media tends to ignore the pro life stance, that the pro aborts accuse us of foisting our beliefs off on them and anyone else who is pro abort, or pro choice. How did they get such a strong hold on the public conscience? Thanks.

 

[YADA]

You are absolutely right Yada. I just get so frustrated hearing pro choice in the news and nothing is ever said about pro life. I would like to know your opinions of how the pro abort judicial fiat came to be. Were they more vocal than us? Did we just sit back and let it happen? I know the news media tends to ignore the pro life stance, that the pro aborts accuse us of foisting our beliefs off on them and anyone else who is pro abort, or pro choice. How did they get such a strong hold on the public conscience? Thanks.

Well the fiat came about for many reasons …

First of all there were many outright lies presented as facts …

the case was presented as a Rape case - and as we know - instances of rape and incest along with the life [not health] of the mother are the toughest to get your head and heart around … in fact Roe was not a rape case … google about Norma McCorvey

Next the Doctor made up a figure [100,000 illegal abortion deaths - I think] that was totally bogus … see Doctor Bernard Nathanson here and do addtional research en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Nathanson

Coupled with the lack of Ultrasound and other medical technology in the early 1970’s and a liberal court … people could present misinformation and have it be believable … at least by some …

The sexual revolution [the de-moralizing america], drugs nd the anything goes mentality …

Those are just my thoughts … but the issue is complex …

***Satan is the Author of Lies and he speeks with a golden tongue … ***

 

[distracted]

Have any of you watched the movie Ghosts of Mississippi??

Very sad… and very enlightening… I believe it should be required for all high school students… but probably never will be… A lot of White teachers would probably be ashamed to show it… doesn’t speak too well of our country’s integrity…

 

[distracted]

does anyone know the name or author of a book about Medgar Evers? - a biography… I went to one library that didn’t have anything…

 

[elts1956]

does anyone know the name or author of a book about Medgar Evers? - a biography… I went to one library that didn’t have anything…

Hi just went to amazon.com. and found
Of Long Memory: Mississippi and the Murder of Medgar Evers (Paperback) by Adam Nossiter . Used it is about $3.00 plus shipping usually about $4.00.

 

[elts1956]

does anyone know the name or author of a book about Medgar Evers? - a biography… I went to one library that didn’t have anything…

Have any of you watched the movie Ghosts of Mississippi??

Very sad… and very enlightening… I believe it should be required for all high school students… but probably never will be… A lot of White teachers would probably be ashamed to show it… doesn’t speak too well of our country’s integrity…

Hello. Yes, I did see Ghosts of Mississippi. Very enlightening. Another movie which hits on racism in a more subtle way is The Great Debaters. There is also another one about a basketball team the name of which I have forgotten.

Anyone who believes racism is dead in the U.S. hasn’t worked, or lived among our black brethren. In areas of the North, the racist attitudes are more subtle and covert, but they are there. I have seen it and my friends have lived it.

 

[LRThunder]

Hello. Yes, I did see Ghosts of Mississippi. Very enlightening. Another movie which hits on racism in a more subtle way is The Great Debaters. There is also another one about a basketball team the name of which I have forgotten.

Anyone who believes racism is dead in the U.S. hasn’t worked, or lived among our black brethren. In areas of the North, the racist attitudes are more subtle and covert, but they are there. I have seen it and my friends have lived it.

I think the movie you’re thinking about is “Road to Glory” about Texas Western and it’s all black starters (now known as UTEP).

And nobody has said racism doesn’t exist, it’s no longer enforced by law. Changing racist laws is easy; changing attitudes that’s more difficult and why “leaders” like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton need to tone down their rhetoric and take a new approach.

 

[distracted]

Hello. Yes, I did see Ghosts of Mississippi. Very enlightening. Another movie which hits on racism in a more subtle way is The Great Debaters.

thanks for this information…

Anyone who believes racism is dead in the U.S. hasn’t worked, or lived among our black brethren. In areas of the North, the racist attitudes are more subtle and covert, but they are there. I have seen it and my friends have lived it.

Yes, and waht is really sad about it (or one thing anyway…) is that Blacks usually have a wary attitude toward anyone who is White (generally speaking). You cna’t blame them for not wanting to ever trust any of them… and yet they may not realize that some people appreciate the way God made ALL people… To hate an entire race (like that de la Beckwith… “person”. Yikes! What rock did he crawl out from under…:hypno: uch: ) is to say that God made a mistake… is to criticize God… Imagine that… the audacity… the arrogance…

 

[distracted]

Hi just went to amazon.com. and found
Of Long Memory: Mississippi and the Murder of Medgar Evers (Paperback) by Adam Nossiter . Used it is about $3.00 plus shipping usually about $4.00.

thank you SO much…

 

[distracted]

can you answer this question?

I am wondering if Medgar Evers was Catholic or was possibly leaning toward the Catholic faith… because in the movie Ghosts of Mississippi, there was a crucifix in his home… looked very Catholic… .Plus some ofthe things he said sounded kinda Catholic… (what little i know of what he said)…

 

[SpiritMeadow]

Anecdotal is not like scientific results [measuring / recording the distance between two points and then analyzing the results and forming a conclusion] …

You must think Anecdotal as in unrealiable? Anecdotal means heresay, with doubt of veracity …

Well … the audio tapes provide the proof of the exchange [and the ones of the donor are chilling] … so no that is not anecdotal … as it has been verified … and enough of this type of data has been obtained to illustrate a corporate culture that promotes [requires] this type of action by the employees …

Nope, that is not correct. Anecdotal means individualized reports of something. They do not prove anything in a larger population. You need a stated policy or a study. If you can show that, then you have proven that PPH has a particular policy. Anecdotal evidence that one or more people who work there responded in a certain fashion means very little.

 

[SpiritMeadow]

98% is one in fifty that doesn’t use it. 89% is about 1 in ten. That’s a pretty big difference.

However, I would still like to see more recent numbers. As I said, I was unable to find them. Would you mind helping me?

(And I don’t think my post deserved the tenor of your response. I was trying to be civil, because incivility and lack of charity doesn’t reflect well on the church any more than poor argumentation).

Sorry I got them off a news report on TV and I recall seeing the same general numbers on a political website news oriented as I recall. I didnt bookmark them, just noted the numbers. If you seriously wish to contend that most people do not use contraception, I’m certainly open to any numbers you can produce. No one before has questioned them. You seem sure they are wrong, yet I have seen nothing else so far. As anyone would tell you, an 89% usage rate would be considered overwhelming by anyone’s standards, except it appears yours.

 

[SpiritMeadow]

Okay, I hear you … we do advocate on a national level … part of the real issue here is not that the Pro-Aborts have lobbied well on the national level … they do not do that well … nor so they truly capture the hearts and minds of the american people …

What the Pro-Aborts have been successful at [and extremely so] is creating law with judicial fiat …

The second thing the Pro-Aborts are successful with is the propoganda war … hence the terminology becomes …

Pro-Choice …
but the porpoganda stops there … pro choice to choose what … is left unsaid …

Feotus …
And what is the definition of a feotus? Young, offspring, child? … A baby …

Fetal Tissue …
The its just a blob of cells … not a real baby, with a heart beat …

Most people do not realize that abortion from conception to just before being fully born is the law of the land … most believe that it is prohibited in the third trimester … and the “health” of the mother is code language for abortion for any reason …

“Keep your Rosaries off my Ovaries” pictures of Pro-Aborts sells newspapers and plays to ant-catholic sentiments … it is not lobbying but propoganda … and yellow journalism works [at least for a time] … always has …

But we have much to be proud of …

CHeck out these sites:

This one is from the Oregon Right to Life and is very successfull … spend some time there … surprisingly lots of young men have used the site …

standupgirl.com/

and here is Oregon Right to Life … ortl.org/

Also, next January 22nd [or the weekend close to it] attend a rally in support of Life… They have one [or more] in every state and in Washington DC … To get media coverage we have to have bodies on the ground … take the day and make a stand … vote pro-life …

Donate to organizations like this one:
stbrigidhome.org/

Sadly Mgns. Taaffee passed away this month but his three homes will continue to provide assistance to young mothers and their children…

Volunteer at BirthRight or another Crisis pregnancy center …

Take a Stand … don’t decry the oppositions organization but strengthen ours …

Who are Pro-Aborts? I have never heard of such a group? Frankly I didn’t think that there were very many folks who were for abortion if that is your appellation.