Bob Jones anyone?

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I met a blind man in Ottawa IL who was a member of the LaSalle Baptist Church. The minister there was a devotee of Bob III and went to Greenville often. I missed the chance to hear Bob III who paid a visit to this church.

I drove the blind man to some Wednesday evening meetings in the church. The pastor had in fact made some quick trips to BJU right around the time of the interracial dating controversy. The pastor devoted some time to explaining why BJU had flipped on the inter-racial dating policy. I don’t recall his explanation. I think I was just interested in watching the man squirm to explain it.

I was introduced to the pastor as a Catholic and he eyed me very seriously. There I was doing a good work right under his nose. I had also taken the blind man out for dinner at the well-known nearby I-80 truck stop restaurant. (I had the 26 oz sirloin steak dinner special, which I still remember well.)

I had met the blind man through an acquaintance at work. This man and his wife were Catholics and dropped out of the St. Columba parish in Ottawa several years before, over a Bible dispute with the parish priest. This man has a fierce temper, and he went through some conversion experience that was eventually chronicled in an episode of “Unshackled” produced at the Pacific Garden Rescue Mission in Chicago.

This man sent his son to BJU high school, where the youth graduated as valedictorian a couple years ago. The man was so convicted, that he quit his job in IL, and moved the homestead to the BJU campus area. He gave up a good-paying job to locate his family so that the other children could go through the school system there.

In the Baptist church, the members are the priests and the minister is a hired person. The priests gave testimony each of the evenings I attended. We sang some hearty protestant-style hymns out of old hymn books. The blind man habitually and chronically wore green and yellow Green Bay Packers logo clothing (all year) and almost always had an earphone plugged in his ear, even in church. He played it so loudly that you could hear the sound a couple feet away, especially in church. He claimed he used merely to keep track of the time. When it came time to sing, the blind man sang on the top of his lungs and knew all the words. (Being from Michigan, I was constantly amazed and amused at the Illinois race of people.)

One other man spoke during the testimony time at the meeting, and spoke how he was assured that the Bible had not been assembled by a pope or a council. I didn’t press the point.

The pastor also spoke about how well the church school was doing and how there was a waiting list of applicants. He interviewed each applicant’s family to determine if they were true believers and should be allowed admission.
 
I’m here again. Thanks for the links to the speech by Alan Keyes. What a clear thinking man. What a voice like his do we need today.
 
Here’s an article about BJU from National Review, William F. Buckley’s magazine, in case anyone’s interested.
 
I think this is one of the reasons I cannot stand Bush. While campaignng, Bush actually stopped at a rally at Bob Jones University back in 1999. This is a University that believes the Pope is the antichrist and preaches against the “mixing of the races”.

By their fruits shall they be known.

Or as my aunt used to say, “Él que con los lobos anda, sabrá aullar…”
 
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Kevan:
Here’s an article about BJU from National Review, William F. Buckley’s magazine, in case anyone’s interested.
Thanks Kevan for the article. 👍
 
. ABeka wasn’t any better - in fact said:
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I have a nephew who went to PCC – the Baptist church I was raised in thought that Southern Baptists were liberal.

You can imagine how happy my family is to have a Catholic in their midst. 😃 I try to not give them reasons to think less of me. I often wonder if I could because I can be flakey because my high degree of ADHD.

At least there aren’t as many “deprogrammers” out there anymore. I used to not in public without my then fiance – he is a good defense at 6’2". Eventually my parents have come accept my parish and me as at least kind of Christian. 👍
 
I was home-schooled throughout my pre-secondary studentship. We often used Bob Jones books or other anti-Catholic books. I remember reading a history book on the Reformation. The books representation of it was slightly different from my current understanding of it.
 
Juxtaposer,

I had been taught some very different notions about Catholics than what I have come to know.

1 Catholics added books to the Bible, not that the reformers* reshaped* the Bible to suit their notions. (Wow, the blatant rearranging of the Canon is so dishonest and the manipulative twist of the explanation still makes me groan inwardly. So just who is actually being dishonest and corrupting the truth?):banghead:

2 Catholics are not allowed to read the Bible. It is still out there in some corners of my part of the world. So I keep a Bible in my book bag – not a student in the formal sense, just a student of life – so that maybe I can scare them away.
  1. Catholics will always hide or lie about the truth of the religion until they have you converted. (Yea right, and then when we find out we are not able to leave? Gosh it isn’t like I live in a cloistered convent. )
  2. Catholics don’t read the Bible and take it literally – except John chapter 6.
  3. Catholics can’t understand the apocalyptic books (because they think that historical data is real and can actually do research.)
  4. Catholics are superstitious idol worshipping, Mary worshipping pagans. (I can’t attest to that, but this group can drink, smoke and gamble in moderation – they are my kind of sinners.)
  5. I have to create something lest I end with only six comments a reveal our pagan tendancies. 😛
 
We homeschooled too. My son, now 18, took an Earth Science course down at the homeschool site in which they used a BJ text. I asked the teacher if they were going to focus on the Creationism chapter; she said, no, they would not do that one – “There are such strong opinions on both sides of the issue.”

But, all the way through the book, there were references to ‘so-called scientists.’ My son has always loved science. He was 13, and he was FURIOUS. He had this huge crisis of faith. “Mom, if I have to chose between being a scientist and being a Christian, I’ll chose science.” It took many, many interviews with scientists who were Christians to steady him somewhat.

At the time, we were Prots, non-denomination. My husband is a geologist and we are strong Christians. This year we have been in RCIA, and our son is finally understanding that science and Christianity can co-exist – in the Catholic Church.

Although the science part of the text was very good, I, too, was so offended at the slander of scientists. Good grief!
 
My son has always loved science. He was 13, and he was FURIOUS. He had this huge crisis of faith. “Mom, if I have to chose between being a scientist and being a Christian, I’ll chose science.” It took many, many interviews with scientists who were Christians to steady him somewhat.

There is a very good book out called **"**The Science Before Science: A Guide to Thinking in the 21st Century" by Anthony Rizzi. Rizzi is a scientist as well as a very devout Catholic. Your son would love this book. 👍
 
My son has always loved science. He was 13, and he was FURIOUS. He had this huge crisis of faith. “Mom, if I have to chose between being a scientist and being a Christian, I’ll chose science.” It took many, many interviews with scientists who were Christians to steady him somewhat.

There is a very good book out called **"**The Science Before Science: A Guide to Thinking in the 21st Century" by Anthony Rizzi. Rizzi is a scientist as well as a very devout Catholic. Your son would love this book. 👍

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Contarini:
My family publish devotional books and BJU’s bookstore carried some of them (though they wouldn’t buy the ones that talked about female preachers like Catherine Booth). We visited there from time to time and we knew a family who were associated with BJU (the father worked there and the kids went to their grade school). One of their kids was my age and once when we were visiting there I went to school with him (I was homeschooled so this was an interesting experience for me). I got kicked out of math class for talking (actually for sticking up for my friend when the teacher yelled at him for answering a question I had asked him).

They have pretty high academic standards, actually. We used several of their high school textbooks, and their biology text was extremely in-depth and almost the equal of the text I later used in college (of course they had a chapter on creationism). At the time I was impressed with their world history textbook, but now when I look at it I’m horrified at how biased it is, especially against Catholicism. But it did give me a good overview.

In short, they’re very ideological and I disagree with much of their ideology, but they are not evil or stupid. They are indeed anti-Catholic but on a much more sophisticated level than someone like Jack Chick (not that that’s hard). They are big fans of the virulent Irish preacher Iain Paisley.

In Christ,

Edwin

Ian Paisley is no friend of “popery” - at all ! However, he is at least not a terrorist, unlike Gerry Adams and Adams’ IRA buddies. If anything, Ian Paisley sounds as if he has mellowed in his approach to those IRA fellows. 😦

 
I became a Christian in my twenties, and came to the Baptist Church through my soon to be husband. Soon after that, fired up for the Lord, I started to become more and more devout (Coming closer and closer to the true Church). Anyway, when our family was hit by a virtual tornado, my husband, while away in the Middle East, turned to friends and they pointed him to the Catholic Church. My husband is a cradle Baptist. He called me one night, after he had been attending mass for several months and told me that he had been attending mass, had been talking to Catholics and had even had one on one discussions with the Priest. I had been attending a non-denom Baptist church in MO that has very close ties to BJU. So close in fact, the pastor is good friends with BJ III, the music minister and his wife are grads, all the seminary students are grads, all the seminary wives are grads, we swapped choirs on regular occasions (3 times one year I was there), our High School choir performed at BJU, BJ Leaders guest preached at our church and regularly preached an anti-Catholic (sort of) message solo fide, solo scriptura. When he told me what he had been doing, I hit the roof. Oh, my Goodness, what was he thinking? He was abandoning his faith, he was going to hypocracy, he was going to … well, you get the picture.

Anyway, after a lot of study and a lot of questions, I am, along with husband and all three daughters, attending RCIA/RCIC in preparation for receiving communion and confirmation at Easter.

As for BJU, they have softened their retoric. You won’t hear directly, as a Catholic, that you are going to hell, but you sure will hear them tell you that you must believe to be saved (solo fide) and that only the Word is the authority for faith.

The preaching from the pulpit will not say “If you are Catholic, you are going to hell” It’s more like, “Being baptised alone won’t save you, religiosity won’t save you, works won’t save you, etc etc etc”

I have only been gone from that church for less than a year…

What a difference a year makes.
 
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sires6:
I became a Christian in my twenties, and came to the Baptist Church through my soon to be husband. Soon after that, fired up for the Lord, I started to become more and more devout (Coming closer and closer to the true Church). Anyway, when our family was hit by a virtual tornado, my husband, while away in the Middle East, turned to friends and they pointed him to the Catholic Church. My husband is a cradle Baptist. He called me one night, after he had been attending mass for several months and told me that he had been attending mass, had been talking to Catholics and had even had one on one discussions with the Priest. I had been attending a non-denom Baptist church in MO that has very close ties to BJU. So close in fact, the pastor is good friends with BJ III, the music minister and his wife are grads, all the seminary students are grads, all the seminary wives are grads, we swapped choirs on regular occasions (3 times one year I was there), our High School choir performed at BJU, BJ Leaders guest preached at our church and regularly preached an anti-Catholic (sort of) message solo fide, solo scriptura. When he told me what he had been doing, I hit the roof. Oh, my Goodness, what was he thinking? He was abandoning his faith, he was going to hypocracy, he was going to … well, you get the picture.

Anyway, after a lot of study and a lot of questions, I am, along with husband and all three daughters, attending RCIA/RCIC in preparation for receiving communion and confirmation at Easter.

As for BJU, they have softened their retoric. You won’t hear directly, as a Catholic, that you are going to hell, but you sure will hear them tell you that you must believe to be saved (solo fide) and that only the Word is the authority for faith.

The preaching from the pulpit will not say “If you are Catholic, you are going to hell” It’s more like, “Being baptised alone won’t save you, religiosity won’t save you, works won’t save you, etc etc etc”

I have only been gone from that church for less than a year…

What a difference a year makes.
I read somewhere that BJU is also ready to tone down their racist views? True?
 
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bboop:
My husband is a geologist and we are strong Christians. This year we have been in RCIA, and our son is finally understanding that science and Christianity can co-exist – in the Catholic Church.
Here’s a URL for an interview in Astrobiology Magazine with Brother (Dr.) Guy Consolmagno, Astronomer for the Vatican and curator of the Vatican’s meterorite collection. Fascinating guy. I’ve read a couple of his books. He’s an excellent writer. His books are available at Amazon. Your son might like to know about him – he’s got degrees from MIT and the U of Arizona. The Vatican has an observatory high on a mountain in Arizona. It makes me happy thinking about those priest-astronomers (and Brother Guy) who love God, the Church, and science:) .

astrobio.net/news/article966.html

JMJ Jay
 
Little Mary:
Believe me, I am being very careful. I wonder if I told him I knew some BJUE grads/students that are now Catholic - wouldn’t he come back saying he knows many BJU grads/students who are *former *Catholics? Guess I’ll have to ask to find out!🙂
Here’s one for you. Graduate of BJU. Went to England and became an Anglican priest. Covert to the Catholic Church. Still lives in England. His story: www.chnetwork.org At the home page, click on “conversion stories.” Scroll down to Dwight Longenecker.

JMJ Jay
 
dream wanderer:
I think they might be anti-catholic NOW in the sense that they think anti-catholicism is wrong. I don’t think they spew out the hatred that they used to.
Anti-Catholic - I would define it as not disagreeing about Catholics, that is OK. But when you and or pastors and schools are teaching things that aren’t true what the church teaches, that is Anti-Catholic.

Also-calling us the Whore of Babylon … well, doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that that isn’t a compliment.

I have received tapes from the Bible Christian Society and the on the Apologist John M says is, hey - it 's ok to disagree with our faith, but it isn’t OK to teach untruths about the faith. Like Mary is Equal to Jesus, or We Worship Statues, and the list goes on.
 
Bigotry, racism, Hitler, Bob Jones, KKK, BJU… they all belong in the same boat. let them burn baby burn…

Teaching racial or religious hatred or bigotry has no place in this country or in this world.
 
…if you have not watched the movie “The Ladykillers” staring Tom Hanks…well, you got to… Bob Jones University has an interesting part in it… it is a hoot…

disclaimer: :cool: I enjoyed this movie with my wife… this is not a movie for children, prudes, or people without a sence of humor… Zero nudity, :eek: but you will hear the world’s worst word several times…:bigyikes: if you can manage that hurtle, then you can have a laugh…😃

Peace:thumbsup:

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