Bob Jones anyone?

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Bob Jones has several issues with the Catholic Church and it’s wayward followers… a whole lot likd Jack Chick… He disagrees vehemently with Rome and Rome’s intrepretation of Scripture, but he is allowed his biting opinions of Pope’s of present and past, and of the Churches (Catholic) place in this world… It’s a shame!, and I feel he should be…
 
I live in Greenville, SC, the home of Bob Jones U. Believe me, they are still anti catholic. I found this out by volunteering with some of them at a crisis pregnancy center.

At least these women were not mean about it, they were trying to convert me out of “love” of course. It is their duty to tell you the truth.

They beleive that Catholics try to “work their way to heaven”, the Pope is evil, they (at least these) believe in “The Rapture” and of course Catholics will be “left behind”.

There was no talking to them. No matter how many Bible verses I brought it not combat them and how much “homework” I did to prove to them that we are “saved”, there was just no getting through.

I finally had to leave.
 
My fundamentalist inlaws support them - because my sister inlaw is a graduate and my niece is now attending :eek: :eek:
 
A few years ago the South Carolina primary was a pretty big deal, where John McCain got his comeuppance after threatening to overturn the GWB machine. I drove to Greenville to check out the atmosphere that day.

George W Bush had given a speech at BJU a week or two before to shore up his support in the Bible-banging community. A day or two later Bush remarked, That school is anti-Catholic:confused:? As usual he was clueless until it was too late.

Alan Keyes had given a speech a couple days before the primary. After the gaffe by Bush, there was pressure to stand up to or denounce the ban on interracial dating, the bias against Catholics, etc. Keyes not being a player in the campaign, I found no coverage of his speech in the press, or on his website, after the fact. So I decided to look it up in the school newspaper.

The campus is made up of lots of blocky yellowish brick buildings – definitely feels like a relic of the late 50’s. I did feel slightly out of place - later I found I may have startled people because I was wearing jeans (forbidden for students) and my girlfriend was with me (such close fraternizing or even studying is also not acceptable). But everyone was quite polite.

Anyway, the student paper contained a brief couple paragraphs and a photo. It said his speech was well-received, and may have had a quote or two. But there was no hint whatsoever that Keyes was Catholic, or that he had challenged their complacency or bigotry about race or religion.

Thanks to Sparky I was finally able to read it here, and I too would have liked to have been there to hear it.
 
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MGEISING:
Does anyone have any experiences with Bob Jones, either by going to his University, Books, Tapes, etc. And can you share what you know? Thanks!
Well it seems the BJU teaches YECism, of course that really is not a big deal, people who are deeply faithful and kind think this. Simple fact is the world is not six to ten thousand years old. But then again I may well be wrong. Many of BJU students are honest kind, faithful people, that is much more important. But then again many who graduate from Catholic Universities are the same, IE faithful, kind Honest people. funny how that works.
 
I’m a new convert to the Catholic church and was Baptist all my life. In 1975 & 1976, I went to Tennesee Temple in Chatanooga, TN which just like BJU is a very fundemental, independent baptist church and university. BJU was one of only a few other christian schools that TTU recognized.

They were also very anti-catholic. When I took a cult class there, the Roman Catholic church was taught as a cult, along with Mormonism & Jehovah Witnesses.

After I was married, I ended up staying out of church for about 10 years before returning and then returned to the Southern Baptist church which is not as outwardly anit-Catholic as Independent Baptists. After church hopping between baptists, non-denominational, and Calvary Chapels for another 10 years, the Lord brought a sweet, holy, loving Catholic woman into my life.

I was already questioning the “repent & be baptized” scripture in Acts, and pondering what John 6 might mean, when she came along. About the only thing Catholic she mentioned to me was the Protestant Reformation and Luther and that I was a protestant (which most Baptists don’t think about being one). Then is when I started looking at the early church fathers, the history of the Catholic church, & the reformation.

I ended up joining my local RCIA class and the rest of history.
 
abbachild11

What is it about BJU and the one you attended that make them think they are so ELITE? I am just so confused by that … my feeling is BJU is no better than Hitler’s … word that he wanted … and we know what happened during those years! 😦
 
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briand:
Well it seems the BJU teaches YECism, of course that really is not a big deal, people who are deeply faithful and kind think this. Simple fact is the world is not six to ten thousand years old.
it’s actually not a “simple fact”. i don’t want to get into a creation vs. evolution argument as there are plenty of threads on that, but to say that as flippantly as you did made me feel i needed to respond. there are many dissenters out there who feel the earth may just be that young or at least don’t hold to the 4.4 billion years old theory. i am not saying i adhere to either one, i’m just saying you can’t say it’s a simple fact and the only problem i have with bju teaching “YECism” is that they don’t teach any other theories along side of it. how are their students supposed to dialogue in an educated manner if they don’t know the other side of the issue?
 
GUESS WHAT?

I will be teaching in a private Christian school this fall that is nondenominational and uses ABeka books someone mentioned. I am very familiar with BJU.

ABeka curriculum is very pro-Luther and the Catholic church is hardly mentioned at all in my particular subject. I believe this is very dishonest since so much of our history is tied together.

The principal is more concerned with Truth, capital T, than denominations, including the Catholic church. So, I will be able to foster an objective approach to the Catholics. I am currently Anglican, but have profound respect for the Catholic church and would be Catholic if my husband could get on board.

The BJU graduates I have come in contact with seem too focused on denominational issues than the Gospel. But, that isn’t all of them, I understand that.

Blessings.
 
My family publish devotional books and BJU’s bookstore carried some of them (though they wouldn’t buy the ones that talked about female preachers like Catherine Booth). We visited there from time to time and we knew a family who were associated with BJU (the father worked there and the kids went to their grade school). One of their kids was my age and once when we were visiting there I went to school with him (I was homeschooled so this was an interesting experience for me). I got kicked out of math class for talking (actually for sticking up for my friend when the teacher yelled at him for answering a question I had asked him).

They have pretty high academic standards, actually. We used several of their high school textbooks, and their biology text was extremely in-depth and almost the equal of the text I later used in college (of course they had a chapter on creationism). At the time I was impressed with their world history textbook, but now when I look at it I’m horrified at how biased it is, especially against Catholicism. But it did give me a good overview.

In short, they’re very ideological and I disagree with much of their ideology, but they are not evil or stupid. They are indeed anti-Catholic but on a much more sophisticated level than someone like Jack Chick (not that that’s hard). They are big fans of the virulent Irish preacher Iain Paisley.

In Christ,

Edwin
 
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MGEISING:
Does anyone have any experiences with Bob Jones, either by going to his University, Books, Tapes, etc. And can you share what you know? Thanks!
Yes, we have had friends who have studied at Bob Jones University (sent their by fundamentalist parents, for the most part), as well as being exposed to their curriculum for homeschooling. Briefly, while their educational materials for homeschoolers are well developed and pretty easy to use, they are very legalistic in their beliefs and hate Catholicism, equating it to demonic idolotry. That doesn’t mean that I am saying that every person who uses his materials hates Catholics, but that is the viewpoint of BJU.
 
I remember when we moved to Greenville 1979 one of the first things I heard about was that Bob Jones was claiming that all Catholics and Blacks were going to hell. That was a real welcoming statement!!!
cpm
 
When the pope came here to South Carolina back in the 80’s. I had just converted to the catholic faith by a couple of years. I was naturally fired up for the faith and I still am today. When the Pope was in Columbia, there was a prayer breakfast or something to that nature and all the higher religious leaders of the state was invited. Naturally, Bob Jones being an influential leader in the upstate was invited. I dont want to quote him exactly because I cant, but his remark was something like he would might as well have dinner with the devil himself. Well, that just just may me even more fired up. I think this was Bob the 3rd. Why is the Catholic attacked the most. I believe it simply because it is the true church and the devil hates it the most because it can do him the most harm.
 
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CPM:
I remember when we moved to Greenville 1979 one of the first things I heard about was that Bob Jones was claiming that all Catholics and Blacks were going to hell. That was a real welcoming statement!!!
cpm
In all fairness in all my time there I never heard them say Blacks were going to hell. In fact while I was there it was the time of the first wave of Black students admitted there. They did believe in the old traditions of separating the races but they did think blacks could be ‘saved’.

As to Catholics…they may well have said that!

dream wanderer
 
I live outside of Greenville, SC and hear lots about Bob Jones. My wife works with quite a few (she is a nurse). Needless to say she get’s all kinds of questions from them…

I do however need to thank Mr Jones. It was some of his followers that was organizing a seminar to on How To “Evangilize” Catholics. Thanks to him I now have a stonger faith due to the research I have done…
Alan
 
Here is the article for anyone who wants to get caught up on what it was all about. This is one from after the fact. The article that was done prior to the event really had a lot of the community in an uproar from what I have heard. The conference was one of the biggest planned and conducted from what I was told.
greenvilleonline.com/news/2002/02/18/2002021819515.htm

I have heard that the pastor of St. Mary’s in Greenville, SC met with the men (all five were BJU graduates) and had a positive dilogue for the most part. Positive in that it was pleasant. However, nothing was going to stop the conference. Not when you have individuals like Bart Brewer and Richard Bennett (both ex-priests) as speakers.

Anyway, I am a little indifferent in that I truly respect the institution itself. I have come across a few people that graduated from the school and they are very upstanding Christian individuals with a love for Jesus. They do have a lot of restrictions on both students and faculty, but when you think about it it does produce a lot of educated people.

Unfortunatley, it does come with a warning label. Anyone who says that it is not anti-Catholic or even remotley liberal is mistaken. The University may diagree with other institutions, secular and religious, but it views Catholicism as a satanic cult and all the other usual agruments apply against the Church. BJU may disagree with PCC on the KJV of the Bible, but they are with PCC in that Catholics are “unsaved” and in need of a good evangelizing.
 
Hey Contarini

I was reading down this thread looking for someone to link BJU and Ian Paisley - well done!!

You could not meet a more anti catholic person then this man, and he was educated at BJU, he set up his own free pres. church, he’s the gentleman (a phrase I use, after some considersation) who had to be restrained from physically attacking the Pope in the European Parliament in the 80’s, shouting out “I accuse you of being the anti-christ…” etc. Now, I wonder where he heard that???

But, please, please don’t say he’s Irish - because he CERTAINLY won’t ever say he is. Apparently he’s British, from Ulster you see.
 
I didn’t know Paisely was educated at BJ. Are you sure of that?

I’ve heard the man speak. Very dynamic speaker, no wonder people listen to him. They can’t help it. He shouts almost every word. He’s the kind of old fashioned revival preacher that somehow manages to drive reason right out of your brain when he speaks. Very intimidating.

I was there when his daughter was there and she used to date a very quiet good looking artistic leaning kind of guy. He was so different from her dad…I don’t think anything came of it but its rather amusing when I look back on it.

dream wanderer
 
You could not meet a more anti catholic person then this man
No argument there…
and he was educated at BJU
Wrong. He was trained for the ministry in the Theological Hall of the Reformed Presbyterian Church of Ireland. He was ordained a minister in 1946. He’s been closely associated with BJU since the sixties.
he set up his own free pres. church
In 1951 he became one of the co-founders of the Free Presbyterian Church of Ireland. Last I heard, he spoke to a larger congregation on Sunday mornings than any other preacher in the UK.
he’s the gentleman (a phrase I use, after some considersation) who had to be restrained from physically attacking the Pope in the European Parliament in the 80’s, shouting out “I accuse you of being the anti-christ…” etc. Now, I wonder where he heard that???
That’s pretty well been the Presbyterian line since Calvin.

Here’s a pretty good article about him.
 
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