Bono Now Attacks the 'Church'

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CathCentrist said:
Bono says one generic thing re: the Church and gets slammed…he says dozens of things re: the poor but that doesnt count. Par for the course. Disagree with the Church and you are attacking it. Its extreme thinking like when people disagree with the war or Bush, certain people go to the extreme of equating that with attacking America or not being a “true patriot” whatever that means
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I think there was only one post that thought Bono was attacking the Catholic Church, before your post. Maybe Potato might have added another. It sure seems that if anyone was thinking Bono was attacking the Catholic Curch it was the exception not the rule. My main point is he shouldn’t be using a steroetype, but if he has a problem point it out. Most often I’ve scene churchs help out people in Africa with HIV and not actually condemn them. If a Church is making judgements as to the soul of people, Catholic or not, I think it would be good to know, to either reform problems or show where the isolated problems are. If he cares, he should know how much churchs help out, and not want people needed help to have a mistaken distrust of people there to help. His comments are not a huge deal, but it is good to point out if he is playing loose and sloopy with people of same intentions.
 
Here are some another links to the Catholic Church’s issue on Condoms and HIV in Africa that Bono made reference to:

npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5032190

freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1742625/posts

cardinalrating.com/cardinal_115__article_2311.htm

catholicsforchoice.org/topics/hivaids/bishopssupportcondoms.asp

Wow did you guys know there is actually a website called catholicforchoice.com

I stand where the Church stands on this issue, which I don’t know has been ‘officially’ resolved but I would think abstinence is going to be recommended. Going from something that is considered evil to okay in limited application is a tough road. Granted this is NOT a perfect world it is broken by Original Sin and God’s voice through His Church is what we rely on.

As for those who claim to be Catholic and Pro-Choice you are receiving the Sacraments in an unholy fashion and are bringing judgement on yourself.

What other Church could speak on the issue of condoms and HIV and have the worlds attention?
 
I know what he meant maybe others needed to have more explaination but it was about condoms thats for sure.
Makes a person think thugh about the NAACP applauding Him on insulting the Church but supporting abortion.
By the way PROCHOICE is a “nicer” way of saying “MURDER” that is one thing that really bothers me! You are either for it or against it !

GOD Bless
 
v1gilbert said:
First James Cameron, now Bono attacks the Holy Catholic Church with this tirade on the NAACP awards:

us.video.aol.com/video.index.adp?pmmsid=1861376

Although he gives the generic title of the ‘Church’ it is apparent that Bono is attacking our Church.

His speech should have been something like this (If he had stayed a devote Catholic plugged into Sanctifying Grace): “To all those unfortunately infected with HIV, my sympathies are with you and your family with this cross you now carry. I urge you to practice chastity and abstinence when appropriate. We are after all not beasts completely run by our sexual instincts but can control this spread if we are true to the Churches teaches on monogamy, chasity and true holiness. There is no such thing as sin without consequences and it does affect the innocent, so for the geniune love of God in heaven please stop committing sexual sins, God warned us long ago and we still aren’t listening.”

Although I doubt he would have received a standing ovation, stick it to the rich Church standing in judgement is easier at awards shows.

People really do set themselves up as God thinking they have the solution all the worlds ills.
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It’s typical behavior by celebrities who do charitable work to pat themselves on the back and glorify themselves. Their ego’s are too big to share the lime light with anyone else, and when they feel they’re not getting enough, they attack other’s who they see as easy targets, which the Catholic Church is one. The Church has been involved in helping the poor, long before Bono and, the Church didn’t grandstand their charity.

True charity means being charitable to all, not just those who you can use to promote your own fame and fortune.

Jim
 
hmmmm…i didn’t see it as him bashing the church. considering he said something to the effect of “let me jump in the pulpit a minute” i think he was speaking to the church goers. the ones more fortunate. he even made some reference to, no matter what your view of God is, didn’t he? he could be urging people of many religions.
IMO, i saw it as a call out to those within the church that aren’t doing more to help the poor. it’s a good point. we are called to tend to the poor. seems he was urging more people to do more. but i could be wrong.
as far as him being pro choice that is just hearsay at this point. i would need to see some proof of that. like a quote.
 
Ham1 said:
Since we’re discussing Bono here is an article that shows that he holds some very counter-cultural religious views:

theologyofthebody.com/08-10-06.asp

He’s very much a Christian. Let’s pray for his conversion.
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i have that book from the link.
he also said even though his dad was Catholic his dad did not believe. his dad wondered how Bono got anything out of the bible. Bono told him the pages come alive to him.
he also said he receives very complex melodies, sometimes in his sleep. sometimes they are so complex he can’t even figure them out completely when he wakes and tries to remember or record them. he believes his melodies are gifts from God.
i agree, pray for Bono.
 
To all those unfortunately infected with HIV, my sympathies are with you and your family with this cross you now carry. I urge you to practice chastity and abstinence when appropriate.
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When would it not be appropriate for a person unfortunately infected with HIV to practice chastity and abstinence?:eek:
 
jam070406 said:
hmmmm…i didn’t see it as him bashing the church. considering he said something to the effect of “let me jump in the pulpit a minute” i think he was speaking to the church goers. the ones more fortunate. he even made some reference to, no matter what your view of God is, didn’t he? he could be urging people of many religions.
IMO, i saw it as a call out to those within the church that aren’t doing more to help the poor. it’s a good point. we are called to tend to the poor. seems he was urging more people to do more. but i could be wrong.
as far as him being pro choice that is just hearsay at this point. i would need to see some proof of that. like a quote.
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Go back and listen. He said, “To those in the church, who sit in judgement of those with AIDS.”

No one I know sits in judgement of people with AIDS.

Jim
 
JimR-OCDS said:
Go back and listen. He said, “To those in the church, who sit in judgement of those with AIDS.”

No one I know sits in judgement of people with AIDS.

Jim
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This line may be directed at many of the evangelical groups who proclaim rather loudly that AIDS is a scourge from God for homosexuality and that the people who get AIDS deserve it. It’s sad, but they are out there.
 
I think possibly he was attacking the odd fundamentalist Protestant ‘ecclesial community’ or sect who says those who contract AIDS are getting some sort of divinely sanctioned justice for their immorality. As someone who thinks like a Protestant he would lump them into the catch-all term ‘the church’. We certainly should not expect him to know the technical ecclesiological language and concepts in Lumen Gentium.

All in all he’s spot on. The Church’s social teaching does include the preferential option for the poor. Her moral and social teaching go hand in hand. Bono’s probably got the former right; but like most non-Catholic social activists he has a somewhat unenlightened understanding of the relation of virtues, placing justice at the top without respect to the theological virtues and other cardinal virtues.

But I say he’s brilliant regardless of his state of Catholic catechesis.
 
QuicumqueVult said:
I think possibly he was attacking the odd fundamentalist Protestant ‘ecclesial community’ or sect who says those who contract AIDS are getting some sort of divinely sanctioned justice for their immorality. As someone who thinks like a Protestant he would lump them into the catch-all term ‘the church’. We certainly should not expect him to know the technical ecclesiological language and concepts in Lumen Gentium.

All in all he’s spot on. The Church’s social teaching does include the preferential option for the poor. Her moral and social teaching go hand in hand. Bono’s probably got the former right; but like most non-Catholic social activists he has a somewhat unenlightened understanding of the relation of virtues, placing justice at the top without respect to the theological virtues and other cardinal virtues.

But I say he’s brilliant regardless of his state of Catholic catechesis.
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Problem is if that is true, which may very well be true, we still need to give a defence. In the sloopiness of what he is saying, he is also attacking the ones who are trying to help. The correction is much needed, I would not think he would want to hurt those who share in his cause.
 
CarolAnnSFO said:
I watched the linked video, and maybe my hearing isn’t what it used to be, but I just didn’t hear anything in there that sounded like he was attacking the Church.
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He wasn’t attacking the Church, I didn’t get that either. I personally really liked what he had to say. His focus is on getting people to believe we are the generation that will make a difference in ending extreme poverty. There was nothing in that speech that gave me the sense he was attacking the Church.
 
Ham1 said:
This line may be directed at many of the evangelical groups who proclaim rather loudly that AIDS is a scourge from God for homosexuality and that the people who get AIDS deserve it. It’s sad, but they are out there.
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Doesn’t matter who he was attacking, the fact is, AIDS is a disease that can be prevented through behavior. Those who live in monogamous marriages, stay away from drugs, don’t get aids.

Did you ever hear Mother Teresa attack anyone, for not doing more than they do ?

Celebrities after they gain much wealth, often go out and do charitable work, God bless them. However, they also like to draw attention to themselves over the fact.

Lets not forget the words Jesus gave, when it comes to doing works of charity, don’t let the left hand know what the right hand is doing? Those who boast about their good works, have already received their reward.

Remember the “We Are The World,” song? We later found out that most of the celebrities were paid and their concern for the hungry, pretty much faded away as the popularity of the song faded away.

Jim
 
He did say to those in the church, not to the Church, I see the difference. But he could have just as easily said to those who sit in judgment without dragging every card carrying church member/preacher into it. Seems like he has some agenda to attack religion. I know plenty of people who are not religious at all and who could not care less about the suffering of the world.
 
moira said:
Do we really care what aging rock stars think?
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Ad hominem attack.

His “job” is irrelevant. Does he or does he not have a point? That’s what you should be addressing, not his age or the fact that he’s a singer …

And he’s younger than you, m’dear. :cool:
 
To JimR-OCDS Post #34 "… the fact is, AIDS is a disease that can be prevented through behavior. Those who live in monogamous marriages, stay away from drugs, don’t get aids. "

Unfortunately, you are wrong in this belief. In 1988 Arthur Ashe was told he was HIV positive. “Ashe is told that he most likely received tainted blood during his 1983 transfusion… On February 6, 1993, Arthur Ashe dies of AIDS-related pneumonia in New York.” gaga.essortment.com/biographyarthur_rsye.htm

There are (I suspect) thousands who are afflicted through no fault of their own.

Go with Love, Go with God
 
DarkNight said:
To JimR-OCDS Post #34 "… the fact is, AIDS is a disease that can be prevented through behavior. Those who live in monogamous marriages, stay away from drugs, don’t get aids. "

Unfortunately, you are wrong in this belief. In 1988 Arthur Ashe was told he was HIV positive. “Ashe is told that he most likely received tainted blood during his 1983 transfusion… On February 6, 1993, Arthur Ashe dies of AIDS-related pneumonia in New York.” gaga.essortment.com/biographyarthur_rsye.htm

There are (I suspect) thousands who are afflicted through no fault of their own.

Go with Love, Go with God
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Such cases are actually rare, be even there, the fact that Ash supposedly got tainted blood, it is still the result of bad behavior, but in this case, it was the bad behavior of the one who donated the blood.

The AIDS epedemic in Africa is nothing more than the result of bad behavior.

Jim
 
JimR-OCDS said:
Such cases are actually rare, be even there, the fact that Ash supposedly got tainted blood, it is still the result of bad behavior, but in this case, it was the bad behavior of the one who donated the blood.

The AIDS epedemic in Africa is nothing more than the result of bad behavior.

Jim
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And in Africa there is a belief that AIDS can be cured by having sex with a virgin – which has resulted in many young girls being raped and infected.

Yes. AIDS is spread by behavior.
 
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