Book of Enoch

[NotWorthy]

No I did not noticed there are over “120 brothers of the Lord”.

Can you please list them all, or can you at least point me to the scripture in which refers any other person as “the Lord’s brother”?

I’d look in Acts, chapter 1

14 All these devoted themselves with one accord to prayer, together with some women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and his brothers. 15 During those days Peter stood up in the midst of the brothers (there was a group of about one hundred and twenty persons in the one place). He said, 16 "My brothers, the scripture had to be fulfilled which the holy Spirit spoke beforehand through the mouth of David, concerning Judas, who was the guide for those who arrested Jesus.

Now, Mary was either Our Lady of Perpetual Pregnancy, or “Brother” doesn’t necessarily mean “Brother”.

BTW, what did you mean by “so called Church Fathers”?

 

[DMG888]

“Mary the mother of Jesus, and his brothers.”

Mary was married, you know that or don’t you?

She had natural children with Joseph, that would have made these children, half brothers of Jesus, since Jesus was conceived of the Holy Ghost.

That passage in no way shape or form suggests that there are over “120 lord’s brothers” as you put it.

The Bible tells us that Jesus had four brothers: James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas (Matthew 13:55 KJV)

Is not this the carpenter’s son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? (Matthew 13:55 KJV)

 

[NotWorthy]

“Mary the mother of Jesus, and his brothers.”

Mary was married, you know that or don’t you?

Mary? Married? Uhhhhhh… yeah. That’s mentioned once or twice, thank you.

She had natural children with Joseph, that would have made these children, half brothers of Jesus, since Jesus was conceived of the Holy Ghost.

That passage in no way shape or form suggests that there are over “120 lord’s brothers” as you put it.

The Bible tells us that Jesus had four brothers: James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas (Matthew 13:55 KJV)

Is not this the carpenter’s son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? (Matthew 13:55 KJV)

Does anyone else want to address this? Its been handled numerous times already.

 

[NotWorthy]

BTW, why did Jesus slam James and Joses and Simon and Judas while up on the Cross? Why did He give His beloved mother to a disciple, when she was to be under their care?

“…* I tell you, not one jot or tittle of the Law will be abolished…*”

 

[diggerdomer]

“Mary the mother of Jesus, and his brothers.”

Mary was married, you know that or don’t you?

She had natural children with Joseph, that would have made these children, half brothers of Jesus, since Jesus was conceived of the Holy Ghost.

That passage in no way shape or form suggests that there are over “120 lord’s brothers” as you put it.

The Bible tells us that Jesus had four brothers: James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas (Matthew 13:55 KJV)

Is not this the carpenter’s son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? (Matthew 13:55 KJV)

There’s nothing in the Bible that definitely says Mary and Joseph had children other than Jesus.

“Brother” in the original language and context could have meant any number of male relatives…biological brother, step-brother (e.g. Joseph had children from a previous marriage), cousin, etc.

 

[DMG888]

There’s nothing in the Bible that definitely says Mary and Joseph had children other than Jesus.

“Brother” in the original language and context could have meant any number of male relatives…biological brother, step-brother (e.g. Joseph had children from a previous marriage), cousin, etc.

I already sent you the passage,here its again:

**Is not this the carpenter’s son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? (Matthew 13:55 KJV)
**

You love to contradict yourself. You first say "There’s nothing in the Bible that definitely says Mary and Joseph had children other than Jesus"
I then show you Matthew 13:55 KJV which is a a good indication in the bible that prooves otherwise, then you tell me: **Joseph had children from a previous marriage, cousin, etc
**

Really, now where is that on the bible?
I showed you a passage in the bible that supports my position, & you come back showing me your opinion.
When we put opinions before the Word of God, they become our idols!

 

[diggerdomer]

I already sent you the passage,here its again:

**Is not this the carpenter’s son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? (Matthew 13:55 KJV)
**

You love to contradict yourself. You first say "There’s nothing in the Bible that definitely says Mary and Joseph had children other than Jesus"
I then show you Matthew 13:55 KJV which is a a good indication in the bible that prooves otherwise, then you tell me: **Joseph had children from a previous marriage, cousin, etc
**

Really, now where is that on the bible?
I showed you a passage in the bible that supports my position, & you come back showing me your opinion.
When we put opinions before the Word of God, they become our idols!

I am not contradicting myself. I recognize the passages you refer to (and there are more, by the way, that are relevant).

I am just pointing out that this is an ancient question that has been addressed numerous times in the Catholic Tradition. And nowhere does the Catholic Church teach that Mary and Joseph had any biological children between them other than Jesus. St. Jerome, for instance, interpreted this passage as referring to children Joseph had via a previous marriage (i.e. he was a widower before marrying Mary). Others would point to the appropriate understanding, given knowledge of the language and culture, of the word that is usually translated as “brother” in English.

It really doesn’t matter to me whether you agree with that or not, I just was interested to make sure you knew what the Catholic Church teaches.

 

[NotWorthy]

I already sent you the passage,here its again:

**Is not this the carpenter’s son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? (Matthew 13:55 KJV)
**

You love to contradict yourself. You first say "There’s nothing in the Bible that definitely says Mary and Joseph had children other than Jesus"
I then show you Matthew 13:55 KJV which is a a good indication in the bible that prooves otherwise, then you tell me: **Joseph had children from a previous marriage, cousin, etc
**

Really, now where is that on the bible?
I showed you a passage in the bible that supports my position, & you come back showing me your opinion.
When we put opinions before the Word of God, they become our idols!

And yet you deny what I sent you. Let’s look at this again, this time with some expert commentary.

When they entered the city they went to the upper room where they were staying, Peter and John and James and Andrew, Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew, James son of Alphaeus, Simon the Zealot, and Judas son of James.(Let’s see, that’s 11)*** 14 ****** All these devoted themselves with one accord to prayer, together with some women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and his brothers. (some women… let’s assume there were 10, fair enough?) 15 ****** During those days Peter stood up in the midst of the brothers (there was a group of about one hundred and twenty persons in the one place)***.(120 people, minus the 11, minus the 10 women… that makes 99 brothers!!! Mary and Joseph must have been busy Jews!!!)

So, Jesus had 99 brothers?Also, why would Jesus give His mother to the Beloved Disciple, John, when He had those four brothers you mentioned, James, Joses, Simeon, and Judas? That’s would be very Un-Jewish of Him.

 

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[DMG888]

I am not contradicting myself. I recognize the passages you refer to (and there are more, by the way, that are relevant).

I am just pointing out that this is an ancient question that has been addressed numerous times in the Catholic Tradition. And nowhere does the Catholic Church teach that Mary and Joseph had any biological children between them other than Jesus. St.

That’s the problem with the Catholic church, they teach things that are not in the bible & the things that are in the bible, they don’t teach.

 

[NotWorthy]

That’s the problem with the Catholic church, they teach things that are not in the bible & the things that are in the bible, they don’t teach.

That’s the problem with many Protestant Faiths. They treat the Bible as if it were a Catechism, all while ignoring the writings of those that learned from the very Apostles who started the Catholic Church.

Remember, DMG, when you criticize the Catholic Church, you are criticizing **your **Christian Roots.

 

[diggerdomer]

diggerdomer;6652164:

I am not contradicting myself. I recognize the passages you refer to (and there are more, by the way, that are relevant).

I am just pointing out that this is an ancient question that has been addressed numerous times in the Catholic Tradition. And nowhere does the Catholic Church teach that Mary and Joseph had any biological children between them other than Jesus. St.

That’s the problem with the Catholic church, they teach things that are not in the bible & the things that are in the bible, they don’t teach.

Every Christian religion teaches things that are not in the Bible. I don’t have a problem with that.

What’s your problem with that?

 

[DMG888]

DMG888;6653365:

diggerdomer;6652164:

I am not contradicting myself. I recognize the passages you refer to (and there are more, by the way, that are relevant).

I am just pointing out that this is an ancient question that has been addressed numerous times in the Catholic Tradition. And nowhere does the Catholic Church teach that Mary and Joseph had any biological children between them other than Jesus. St.

Every Christian religion teaches things that are not in the Bible. I don’t have a problem with that.

What’s your problem with that?

I’m not a Catholic nor a protestant. I’m a bible believer person who believes what God ordained in the bible (His Word).
If you going to follow man made doctrines instead of what God ordained in His Word, don’t even bother discussing the bible, when you # 1 don’t believe in what’s in it, & # 2, think that any man or religion can override it in order to conform & fit to the their own self made doctrines & teachings.
I have a lot of issues with the so called protestants as well. I seen the manifestation of deceiving & being deceived in the whole main stream Christian circles.
Their wrong does not make you right either.

 

[DMG888]

That’s the problem with many Protestant Faiths. They treat the Bible as if it were a Catechism, all while ignoring the writings of those that learned from the very Apostles who started the Catholic Church.

Remember, DMG, when you criticize the Catholic Church, you are criticizing **your **Christian Roots.

**Who said the Catholic Church is Christian?
According to the bible, the Catholic Church is pagan in its teachings as well as in its doctrine. All the Catholic Church did was renamed their pagan idols into Christian characterizations in order to appear Christian; something that God forbade to begin with, the making of icons & idols, & the praying to them & bowing to them.

Who persecuted the apostles & killed them if it wasn’t the Romans?
Once they understood that the more they killed the more they multiplied, they decided in a different strategy. The strategy was, a false conversion in which would be used to lie to Christians & get them to sin against God. Those who understood this & refuse to bow to the Catholic Church, were labeled “witches” & were killed under the inquisition.

The same will happen again, with true believers who will refused to bow to this new age reformation of all false churches united. The true Christians will be labeled as “terrorists” & will be killed in accordance to the book of Revelation.**

 

[NotWorthy]

**Who said the Catholic Church is Christian?
According to the bible, the Catholic Church is pagan in its teachings as well as in its doctrine. All the Catholic Church did was renamed their pagan idols into Christian characterizations in order to appear Christian; something that God forbade to begin with, the making of icons & idols, & the praying to them & bowing to them. **Ahhhh, and so, the leopard reveals his spot. Thanks for being honest, brother.

Who says that the Catholic Church is Christian? Why, it is accepted by every honest Christian Faith and theologian.

**Who persecuted the apostles & killed them if it wasn’t the Romans?
Once they understood that the more they killed the more they multiplied, they decided in a different strategy. The strategy was, a false conversion in which would be used to lie to Christians & get them to sin against God. Those who understood this & refuse to bow to the Catholic Church, were labeled “witches” & were killed under the inquisition.**Wrong, my brother. Simply wrong. But please tell me more.

** The same will happen again, with true believers who will refused to bow to this new age reformation of all false churches united. The true Christians will be labeled as “terrorists” & will be killed in accordance to the book of Revelation.**

This has been fun, DMG. I had a feeling you’d finally get around to “telling it like it is”.

When is the mother ship coming to beam you up, brother?

 

[diggerdomer]

diggerdomer;6655946:

DMG888;6653365:

I’m not a Catholic nor a protestant. I’m a bible believer person who believes what God ordained in the bible (His Word).
If you going to follow man made doctrines instead of what God ordained in His Word, don’t even bother discussing the bible, when you # 1 don’t believe in what’s in it, & # 2, think that any man or religion can override it in order to conform & fit to the their own self made doctrines & teachings.
I have a lot of issues with the so called protestants as well. I seen the manifestation of deceiving & being deceived in the whole main stream Christian circles.
Their wrong does not make you right either.

Not everything that is true, or inspired, or revealed by God is in the Bible.

Jesus Christ is the true Word of God.

 

[diggerdomer]

**Who said the Catholic Church is Christian?
According to the bible, the Catholic Church is pagan in its teachings as well as in its doctrine. All the Catholic Church did was renamed their pagan idols into Christian characterizations in order to appear Christian; something that God forbade to begin with, the making of icons & idols, & the praying to them & bowing to them.

Who persecuted the apostles & killed them if it wasn’t the Romans?
Once they understood that the more they killed the more they multiplied, they decided in a different strategy. The strategy was, a false conversion in which would be used to lie to Christians & get them to sin against God. Those who understood this & refuse to bow to the Catholic Church, were labeled “witches” & were killed under the inquisition.

The same will happen again, with true believers who will refused to bow to this new age reformation of all false churches united. The true Christians will be labeled as “terrorists” & will be killed in accordance to the book of Revelation.**

Any reasonably informed person knows that the Catholic Church is one of the Christian denominations. Just like one knows that Orthodox and Protestants are Christian. You’re free to disagree, whatever.

The Bible nowhere says the Catholic Church is pagan.

 

[DMG888]

Ahhhh, and so, the leopard reveals his spot. Thanks for being honest, brother.

Who says that the Catholic Church is Christian? Why, it is accepted by every honest Christian Faith and theologian.

Wrong, my brother. Simply wrong. But please tell me more.

This has been fun, DMG. I had a feeling you’d finally get around to “telling it like it is”.

When is the mother ship coming to beam you up, brother?

**Wrong?
And that supposed to refute what I said?
OK…
No one will be “beamed up”, all who will remain alive will go through the great tribulation which your political organization that you call church, will be a major participant on its course.
Brother?
Who is my brother?
Those who do the will of the father who is in heaven, not the one who calls himself father who is in the Vatican.

And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
(Matthew 23:9 KJV)**

 

[DMG888]

DMG888;6656072:

diggerdomer;6655946:

Not everything that is true, or inspired, or revealed by God is in the Bible.

Jesus Christ is the true Word of God.

**The Bible says that the Word became flesh.
Jesus is the Word, & if you not going to believe in what is written there in, don’t bother calling yourself a Christian. A Christian is a follower of Christ.
Either you believe all that its written, or believe nothing!

You can’t pick & chose scripture. If you drink from a glass that is contaminated with urine, you can’t set aside the urine that its mixed in the water in order to drink the water that is clear. You can do 2 things. Not drink the glass, or drink it with all its contents. **

 

[DMG888]

Any reasonably informed person knows that the Catholic Church is one of the Christian denominations. Just like one knows that Orthodox and Protestants are Christian. You’re free to disagree, whatever.

The Bible nowhere says the Catholic Church is pagan.

**If you’re reasonable informed, how come is it that you’ve been deceived?
Have you ever sat down & read the whole bible; the KJV?

The bible gives us a set of rules of what not to do in which the pagans do.
The Catholic Church does exactly the opposite of what God told us not to do which are identifiable with pagan culture.
This is why for many centuries the Catholic leaders prohibited people from reading the bible, deeming them “not worthy”.

Then the Catholic leaders decided to allow the people to read the bible, but first they had to edit it from the authentic line of texts called the Maseronic Texts (for the Old Testament), & the Textus Receptus (for the new testament).

This resulted in the creation of the Codex Vaticanus (for the Old Testament), & the Codex Sinaticus (for both testaments).
These are the texts they made in order to conform scripture to their doctrine. All newer bibles come from these line of texts, except the KJV.

Any church that does not carry or follow the KJV, does not have the Word of God, but the Words of men.
And who were these men?
Occultist Luciferians. The same people who publish these newer bibles & the same who publish the Satanic Bible, go research what I said.

**