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ajac
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Why are so many clergy against a border wall? Is it ok to be Catholic and think it could be beneficial?
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Xanthippe_Voorhees
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A wall doesn’t fix many of the ethical issues that we have, and is really wasted money.
Clergy can make professional judgments.
However, we are not beholden to their opinions. We are allowed to form our own.
For one, I think that we would be much better off encouraging economic growth and helping Mexico become financially solvent. Say, giving tax breaks to companies who move factories from China/India to Mexico.
Mexico is actually suffering the most. We’d really be better off building a fence at their Southern border since it’s not actually Mexicans who are the issue.
We also would do well punishing farmers who profit off of illegal, immoral and unethical labor from those here without permission. It’s a form of modern day slavery and farmers are willing to let produce rot in the field rather than pay even minimum wage. Most of those here illegal work for under $1 an hour, sometimes mere pennies. And they are working 12-18 hour days, 7 days a week.
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Jamie5
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Quite simply it’s a completely idiotic, preposterous and ineffective idea that Trump based his whole campaign on, especially the “Mexico will pay for it.” No, they won’t. And it’s highly unlikely it will get built. Right now only “samples” have been completed.
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Jamie5
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This a thousand times! We’re talking 10-15 BILLION at least.
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Bon_Croix
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Hell, why not put a wall all the way around the United States? With cannons and archers on top… So to keep those folks from coming over here to get jobs…
when it falls apart, we can use our highway construction labor and equipment to repair it. What a great investment.
when it falls apart, we can use our highway construction labor and equipment to repair it. What a great investment.
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Xanthippe_Voorhees
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The wall will not stop that issue.
Part of the issue with the illegal labor is what I stated above–it’s a 21st century version of slavery. The farm lords know that they have people trapped here who are illegal, that they can threaten deportation at any time, work them for endless hours. Heck, I’ve even heard of them dying and basically being disposed of and taken without issue by highway patrol. The industries that rely on illegal temporary immigrants are truly, truly evil.
No, Americans don’t want those jobs. No one in America wants to work on a farm, with dangerous equiptment for 11 cents an hour for 18 hour days, 7 days a week for 5 months a year.
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po18guy
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My wife is from Latin America and legally emigrated to the US. Even as shots were being fired in her home country, she had to undergo medical testing, interviews, fee payments, waiting and more of the same before a visa was issued. She naturalized in 1988 and since then has become “sick and tired of the US becoming a third world nation.” I guess she is a “racista”???
Does no one notice that the endemic corruption in Mexico is cause of so much of the illegal immigration to the US? Mexico is the problem, not the US! Mexico is the #2 producer of silver in the world, #5 in petroleum. Tourist billions flood in. How come it remains only the über rich and the ultra poor in Mexico?
Corruption.
True charity would be aimed at a drastic reduction in the endemic corruption in our southern neighbor, coupled with greatly increased economic opportunity for the average Mexican citizen.
Does no one notice that the endemic corruption in Mexico is cause of so much of the illegal immigration to the US? Mexico is the problem, not the US! Mexico is the #2 producer of silver in the world, #5 in petroleum. Tourist billions flood in. How come it remains only the über rich and the ultra poor in Mexico?
Corruption.
True charity would be aimed at a drastic reduction in the endemic corruption in our southern neighbor, coupled with greatly increased economic opportunity for the average Mexican citizen.
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De_Maria
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I think so, since I consider myself a devout Catholic and I’m all for the border wall.
I have lived by the border many years and I think it will solve many problems. I hope its a wall and not a fence, because one of the problems we’ve had in our area is shots that come from the other side of the border.
po18guy
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The lack of border control, combined with the loosening of shipping restrictions in NAFTA, have directly or indirectly lead to the huge increase in heroin. The opiate trade is flourishing - at a tremendous cost in lives and souls. “Sometimes” overlooked by our modern culture, which now exalts the economic “refugee.”
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SuperLuigi
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Frankly, a lot of people don’t understand this issue. I think some people need to look at what surrounds the Vatican, for instance or what’s on Mexico’s southern border.
The whole idea behind the proposed American border wall (I assume this is what you mean) is to regulate immigration, not to stop it. Catholic teaching has long held that nations have every right to enforce sovereignty. And it makes good sense, too because that’s how things like disease and human trafficking spread.
And anyone who thinks America is so bad on immigration should look at what its neighbors do. It may shock you…
The whole idea behind the proposed American border wall (I assume this is what you mean) is to regulate immigration, not to stop it. Catholic teaching has long held that nations have every right to enforce sovereignty. And it makes good sense, too because that’s how things like disease and human trafficking spread.
And anyone who thinks America is so bad on immigration should look at what its neighbors do. It may shock you…
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josh987654321
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Can’t say for each one, but unfortunately there are a lot of people taking their queues from whatever garbage narrative the corrupt media feed them. Some of the stuff people accuse Trump of is beyond the point of absurd.Of course it is, I think it could be beneficial. Especially if it helps against the drug trade, which I think it would. Would just have to be wary of budget and whether there are cheaper alternatives. A physical wall of some kind will definitely act as a huge deterrent compared to what’s there at the moment.
I think it’s hilarious when celebrities criticize it, and go home to their mansions surrounded by walls lol.
When it comes to faith and morals, such as marriage and the sanctity of life, those are the issues where it’s not okay.
I hope this has helped
God Bless You
Josh
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SuperLuigi
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This is exactly why a lot of people are turning away from the Catholic Church.
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josh987654321
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Sounds like a challenge.
Also, you already have dilapidated fences and things across the border anyway.
Here are some pictures -
File:US-Mexico border fence.jpg - Wikipedia (That one looks fine)
File:Border barrier near IBM 9.JPG - Wikipedia (lol)
File:BorderAtJacumba.jpg - Wikipedia (LOL)
File:BorderAtJacumba2.jpg - Wikipedia (lol)
When you have a large drug trade going on and according to Wikipedia over 350million immigrants illegally crossing every year (many of whom will smuggle drugs just as much if not more than they do people), it’s a problem, and with this File:BorderAtJacumba.jpg - Wikipedia, it’s no wonder it’s such a problem.
What’s your solution? get rid of the border fences entirely? if so, how do you plan to control the border? and if you are going to have fences and things, why half ass it? why not get some kind of proper wall/fence built there?
Thank you for reading
Josh
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anikins
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Mostly because there are so many other fruitful things that the money that would be spent on a border wall could be used for. Healthcare is one example. Also, probably because it’s pretty un-Christian to try to prevent someone from the pursuit for a better life.
Here’s the USCCB page on immigration reform - http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-act...gration/churchteachingonimmigrationreform.cfm
And here is a brochure with more information on the church’s position - http://store.usccb.org/Welcoming-th..._medium=banner&utm_campaign=Share-The-Journey
Here’s the USCCB page on immigration reform - http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-act...gration/churchteachingonimmigrationreform.cfm
And here is a brochure with more information on the church’s position - http://store.usccb.org/Welcoming-th..._medium=banner&utm_campaign=Share-The-Journey
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josh987654321
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How do you plan to control the border to stop drug and people smuggling? Or is this sufficient - File:BorderAtJacumba.jpg - Wikipedia? lol
When this comes from a Democrat, they really mean abortion.
Do you have locks on your car or home? Does this prevent you from giving someone a lift or allowing someone into your home? The difference is that with locks on your home and car, people enter them on your terms, not theirs.
Thank you for reading
Josh
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anikins
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A wall will not stop border crossing or human trafficking. At all.
No.
You can add a lock to your door without taking out a mortgage on your home. The cost of building a border wall stands in no relation to the benefit of having one in place. It’s just a waste of money. A more correct compassion would be digging and filling a 50 meter moat around your house, on top of the locks. Also, comparing illegal immigrants to robbers is stereotyping.
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josh987654321
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Thanks, but next time please provide something that isn’t so patronizing. Yourself and the video also didn’t tackle any of the questions I posed above.
I also didn’t forget about planes or boats (he forgot to mention boats in your video) but we are discussing a wall and fence, which doesn’t stop those means of transport. The questions needing to be answered are how many people are illegally crossing by plane or by boat? and how many on foot or by vehicle? If the majority is by plane and boat, then only that would be a valid argument for why spending a fair bit of money on a wall and fence would be redundant. either way you have to start somewhere in order to better secure the border especially to fight against people and drug smugglers.
lol, at one point he mentioned it would have to run through villages, now if the border rests in villages, then that in itself is a major problem and makes it so easy for drug and people smugglers since they’re already living next door to one another with nothing to separate them according to that video.
lol, I didn’t. If you had no locks on your house or car, not everyone who entered would be a robber.
Thank you for reading
Josh
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SuperLuigi
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The wall isn’t supposed to STOP immigration; it’s to CONTROL it.
@Jamie5:
@Jamie5:
Oh. The election he won?
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SuperLuigi
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Strawman argument.
Illegal crossings at happening at the southern border. Northern border is only an issue for Canada and Trudeau’s secret refugee program that the media won’t cover. Otherwise it’s oceans and and we need good port authority.
But by all means, virtue-signal away!
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Roseeurekacross
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It’s going to be an awesome space for artists. Banksy et all are going to have a lot to thank Trump for if it goes up. It’s already started with that cutout.
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