Border wall for illegal inmigration

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I don’t think there’s anything morally wrong with protecting borders + allowing legal immigration. The only questionable belief I see would be those trying to keep a white majority or those who just don’t want Mexicans coming into the country.

These two things (racism and border control) seem to be lumped together, which is frankly unnecessary and it’s no surprise to see why many leaders are against it. I don’t think Trump is intelligent enough to come up with a solid policy on this, though. Hopefully the next prez.
 
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Hell, why not put a wall all the way around the United States? With cannons and archers on top… So to keep those folks from coming over here to get jobs…

when it falls apart, we can use our highway construction labor and equipment to repair it. What a great investment.
Strawman argument.

Illegal crossings at happening at the southern border. Northern border is only an issue for Canada and Trudeau’s secret refugee program that the media won’t cover. Otherwise it’s oceans and and we need good port authority.

But by all means, virtue-signal away!
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Xanthippe_Voorhees:
Hell, why not put a wall all the way around the United States? With cannons and archers on top… So to keep those folks from coming over here to get jobs…

when it falls apart, we can use our highway construction labor and equipment to repair it. What a great investment.
Strawman argument.

Illegal crossings at happening at the southern border. Northern border is only an issue for Canada and Trudeau’s secret refugee program that the media won’t cover. Otherwise it’s oceans and and we need good port authority.

But by all means, virtue-signal away!
I’m not the one who said this. You need to fix your quote.
 
I dont see any Indians here; so youre all Immigrants. The wall fixes nothing. We need policy enforcement, deportation standards: and the dreamers stay here.

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I’m, at least in part First Nations, and my grandmother is 100%. Does that mean her opinion is more valid? Her cousin, 100% first nations, is against ALL immigration, even legal immigration, and refugees.

I don’t really think you want to play the game of “Let the First Nations people decide” because those on reservations without casinos are living in near 3rd world conditions and they get pretty testy when they hear the help that those who have come without permision get.
 
Why are so many clergy against a border wall? Is it ok to be Catholic and think it could be beneficial?
You would really have to ask any individual clergy who is against it. It might be the money being considered wasteful, or the symbolism of nationalism and isolationism. I think for most it is the need for immigration reform and think the wall will be a substitute for needed change.

Yes, it is okay to think it is beneficial. Perhaps it might be. I have my doubts. If we do not have immigration reform allowing a safe entry, then I think all the wall will do is help the coyotes.
 
Nothing is wrong with a border wall in context. We have a strong history of both legal immigration and supporting legitimate refugees both here and near points of conflict.

A wall will help control illegal immigration and will in turn help our people living in poverty.
 
Frankly, a lot of people don’t understand this issue. I think some people need to look at what surrounds the Vatican, for instance or what’s on Mexico’s southern border.
I agree with your thoughts on border security, but if you’re talking about the pictures that are floating around the internet of a supposed wall on Mexico’s southern border, those pictures are phony; they are actually of a wall separating Israel from parts of the Palestinian Territories. One big clue is that the countryside is arid, while Mexico’s real southern border is jungle.

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You know something’s wrong in the world when more Catholics seem to be supporting Trump’s wall than Pope Francis’s bridge. 😥
 
The Pope is against the Wall. That should be enough for all Catholics. The Pope fired a warning shot across the bow of all Catholics in the United States when spoke out against the Wall prior to the November Election. Yet it was ignored by the Majority of Catholics. They still voted for Trump.
 
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Did you know that more Americans retire and move to Mexico then the number of Mexicans coming over here illegally? I will be moving there myself when I retire. I know a bunch of Catholics that have retired there. Health Care is better there then it is here. Fancy that.
 
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That is not this topic and the fraudulent nature of this rumor has been addressed elsewhere.
 
There is a line on the ground at the Vatican. That is it, in fact you can be walking down the street and accidentally walk into the Vatican. No border guards, no security, no wall, no fence, not even a curb!
 
One thing that is left out of this debate, more people simply visit the US and overstay their visa than those who “sneak across the border”.

The only way to stop that is to put some sort of tracking device on those who enter as tourists, students, family on visits and then when their visa expires the Federal Agents could hunt them down and evict them.

 
Couple of things here.

First.
Say, giving tax breaks to companies who move factories from China/India to Mexico.
Who is giving the tax breaks? The United States? Our government would have no authority to do that with a foreign entity. Mexico, China, and India already have semi-conducive business environments (abundance of raw materials, cheap labor, land, lack of criminal justice systems, and emerging global economies to name a few. We should work on attracting workers and business to the United States by making the US a more business-friendly environment.

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We’d really be better off building a fence at their Southern border since it’s not actually Mexicans who are the issue.
Again. Who is doing this fence building project? The US? Under what jurisdiction? We can’t build on another country’s land without permission. And who would be paying for it? I doubt Mexico would allocate the funds and I don’t think American taxpayers would be happy building a wall for another country.

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We also would do well punishing farmers who profit off of illegal, immoral and unethical labor from those here without permission.
How would you punish farmers? Illegal immigration is already illegal, yet many workers are illegal. We have laws on the book. We don’t need more, we need to enforce the existing laws.

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It’s a form of modern day slavery and farmers are willing to let produce rot in the field rather than pay even minimum wage
It’s not slavery because no one is held against their will. Everyone in the process (farmers, workers, etc. are doing it because they need a job). This is not slavery and classifying it as such does an injustice to actual modern day slavery. Government buy-back programs (started in the Great Depression under FDR) also encourage farmers to grow more than they can harvest for rebates and government reimbursements.

Fifth.
Most of those here illegal work for under $1 an hour, sometimes mere pennies. And they are working 12-18 hour days, 7 days a week.
What would you suggest as a proper wage? Minimum wage? Benefits? Time and a half? Overtime? Weekend? The employers are not paying these migrants “pennies” so they can build up mansions and laugh. It’s business and about meeting numbers and statistics. They have a certain number of produce they have to produce and supply to the market or else they lose their business and employees.
All of a sudden, a farmer can not longer hire any workers because one worker costs as many as 5 or 10 migrant workers after benefits, salaries, etc. instead of allowing the government to dictate what everyone is worth, why don’t we leave this conversation up to the individual and their employer??

The noble intention is to have everyone treated ethically and morally. This is done without the government and should be left up to the individual and their employer. God bless.
 
Why are so many clergy against a border wall?
I don’t think there is a single answer to this.
Some of it might simply reflect political views.
Some of it probably really are for “open borders”, thinking it more charitable.

Some probably just dislike the symbolism of it; rich country walling out the poor, seemingly.

But some of it, I think, is inherent to the Catholic view of things in a broader sense. Even when I was in grade school being taught by nuns, the “universality” of the Church was emphasized, even though a certain amount of nationalism was as well. If, in geography, we were learning about Africa, the book’s authors “personified” the place by talking about the lives of some Catholic Africans. In studying Asia, we would learn about Catholic Asians.

Catholic parishes in America are widely regarded as “all white” or at least “awfully white”, and so they are. However, I think that’s just because such a large segment of the population is Catholic and of European origin and black slaves were instructed in Protestantism by their masters. But even so, rare is the parish that doesn’t have a few Vietnamese, at least a handful of Hispanics, maybe some Filipinos, an immigrant family or two from the Balkans or Eastern Europe. Some few do have some blacks. Most protestant churches are actually more “segregated” than that.

And so, there is a “globalism” in Catholicism that does not necessarily exist in other churches, and I think that has an effect on particular clerics’ views of immigration.
 
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