Border wall for illegal inmigration

[Cthompson]

he is more evil by leaps and bounds.

How is he more evil? Because he wants to build a wall? My goodness, that hardly constitutes evil. National sovergnity is not an evil venture. Because he doesn’t accept millions of refugees and immigrants? I don’t think that’s immoral because our country cannot accept a massive amount of people and not be able to take care of them.

 

[pnewton]

Their wall was not intended to keep illegals out. It was intended to keep Terrorists out…

How do you separate one from the other?

There is a way, actually, and that would be to reform immigration do eliminate any need or advantage to come here illegally. If we were serious about terrorism, this trade-off would be a no brainer.

 

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

I’m against illegal immigration.
I don’t think a wall would fix it though, and would probably be just a big money suck.
I think the US should do more to penalize the people who keep hiring the illegals. If there were no jobs for them, they wouldn’t come here. And if that means people in the US have to pay more for something, then so be it.

Exactly this. Even after the law that requires all employees to be checked, some industries are vastly benefiting by keeping a stream of illegal workers available.

That needs to END.

 

[HarryStotle]

You are purposefully misquoting me. That’s gross.

I specifically said that it was a form of “modern day slavery” just previous to what you quoted.

I am AGAINST illegal immigration specifically because it enables corrupt men to abuse their fellow man.

Take a second and read my whole post. I was combating the argument that illegal immigrants simply do jobs that Americans refuse to.

My point–OF COURSE they refuse to. It’s a terrible situation.

Thanks for straightening me out. Clearly, I was in error.

 

[pnewton]

This goes way beyond the Border Issue.

That might be a good idea for another thread, but if you are going to go on a tirade against Donald Trump, please do it elsewhere. Those who Bad-mouth him for everything, in every way, and everywhere do nothing for anyone’s reputation but there own.

 

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

Illegal immigrants actually have the highest negotiating power. They don’t have to be offered minimum wage, benefits, OT, etc. As a citizen, I would have to work for a minimum of $7.25/hour. An illegal immigrant could work for $5 or $6.20 or $7.25. Who would higher me to pick fruit at $7.25/hour when a migrant worker will do the same job (probably even better ) for $5/hour?

So you obviously have not done any research into this. They have no power. They are not even getting $1 an hour in most cases. Minimum wage aside, it’s CRAZY to say they have any power.

They are seen as completely expendable. Thus, pay rates which fall between 11 and 80 cents.

 

[HarryStotle]

Yes, he is more evil by leaps and bounds. But very few Catholics can see that because they are blinded by the those three issues you just mentioned. All other Christian Issues are forsaken for those three.

I suppose being “anti-life, anti-traditional marriage, and anti-Christian” are just minor anomalies in the bigger scheme of things. There is a lot more to it, I guess, than the three little issues of life, marriage and Christianity. Not quite sure what, but there must be something.

 

[JoshuaIsLord]

Exactly this. Even after the law that requires all employees to be checked, some industries are vastly benefiting by keeping a stream of illegal workers available.

That needs to END.

I once worked for an Employer who would said vehemently “I will go to jail if need be before I turn in some of my employees I know to be illegal” And he is dead serious. His best Manufacturing employees are the illegal Mexicans. They are always on time, never call in sick, and perform above par compared to the natives…And he said this when someone questioned the status of some of his best employees…Things have changed since then with the new reporting laws and verification laws…And this guy is a die hard Christian…

And I don’t blame him. These illegals the hardest working and most dedicated I’ve ever seen. I’d take 1 illegal over 2 natives any day if I was an employer.

 

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

Xanthippe_Voorhees:

Exactly this. Even after the law that requires all employees to be checked, some industries are vastly benefiting by keeping a stream of illegal workers available.

That needs to END.

I once worked for an Employer who would said vehemently “I will go to jail if need be before I turn in some of my employees I know to be illegal” And he is dead serious. His best Manufacturing employees are the illegal Mexicans. They are always on time, never call in sick, and perform above par compared to the natives…And he said this when someone questioned the status of some of his best employees…Things have changed since then with the new reporting laws and verification laws…And this guy is a die hard Christian…

And I don’t blame him. These illegals the hardest working and most dedicated I’ve ever seen. I’d take 1 illegal over 2 natives any day if I was an employer.

All well and good if they can find a manager who treats them well.

But this is not reality.

Not nearly.

And all those employeers would need to do to keep those workers would be to put them on an HB2 or sponsor their citizenship. Why do they not?

 

[JoshuaIsLord]

I suppose being “anti-life, anti-traditional marriage, and anti-Christian” are just minor anomalies in the bigger scheme of things. There is a lot more to it, I guess, than the three little issues of life, marriage and Christianity. Not quite sure what, but there must be something.

Read the Catechism of the Catholic Church. You will be amazed at all the Beliefs that are Political Issues. It is not just those 3. All of what we believe as Catholics are Non-Negotiable. For any Catholic to say that any of our beliefs are Negotiable then they really are not Catholic. They are Cafeteria Protestants.

 

[JoshuaIsLord]

All well and good if they can find a manager who treats them well.

But this is not reality.

Not nearly.

And all those employeers would need to do to keep those workers would be to put them on an HB2 or sponsor their citizenship. Why do they not?

Can’t answer that, I’ve been away from that Company since 2010. I work for the State now… Different world. Have to work with a bunch of Hindu’s now. And put with most of them praying to an image of their particular God on there desktop screen…they will place their hand on the image of their God and pray at the beginning of work and at the end of work…

 

[JoshuaIsLord]

Eventually, we will be overrun with legal Hindu’s and eventually might have a Hindu POTUS…and a Hindu Majority Senate…Imagine if that ever happens…You imagined things were bad with Obama and I imagined things are bad now with Humpty Trumpty…you have no idea how bad things would be with them in control…

 

[Jamie5]

you have no idea how bad things would be with them in control

What exactly do you mean? This is just sad, absurd and pretty much a perfect example of racism

 

[HarryStotle]

HarryStotle:

I suppose being “anti-life, anti-traditional marriage, and anti-Christian” are just minor anomalies in the bigger scheme of things. There is a lot more to it, I guess, than the three little issues of life, marriage and Christianity. Not quite sure what, but there must be something.

Read the Catechism of the Catholic Church. You will be amazed at all the Beliefs that are Political Issues. It is not just those 3. All of what we believe as Catholics are Non-Negotiable. For any Catholic to say that any of our beliefs are Negotiable then they really are not Catholic. They are Cafeteria Protestants.

ALL of “our beliefs” are “Non-Negotiable?” I am not sure where that is written in the Catechism, but feel free to point it out.

I would think some overarching values take priority over others among “our beliefs,” and that some things take priority over others. Enjoying the benefits of, say, an iPhone, or a steak dinner, or freedom to indulge in sex are not “Non-Negotiable,” whereas the right to life itself, under normal circumstances, is “Non-negotiable.”

Could you, at least, be clear what those OTHER “non-negotiables” actually are that “we” believe in besides “those 3.” I am not arguing that others don’t exist, I am just puzzled by a claim that every Catholic belief is non-negotiable as far as political life in a secular society is concerned.

 

[JoshuaIsLord]

What exactly do you mean? This is just sad, absurd and pretty much a perfect example of racism

No not racism. If I had said Indian instead of Hindu, you might have a point. Hindu is A religion of the Indians. There are Protestant and Catholic Indians as well. But the Hindu significantly outnumber the former.

 

[Jamie5]

I hate to break it to you, but the US will one day have a woman, a muslim and a homosexual President. And it won’t matter one bit.

 

[Jamie5]

But probably not all at once, if that happened, Trump supporters would spontaneously combust

 

[HarryStotle]

What exactly do you mean? This is just sad, absurd and pretty much a perfect example of racism

It can’t possibly be a “perfect example” of racism because Hinduism is not a race, it is a religion.

 

[JoshuaIsLord]

ALL of “our beliefs” are “Non-Negotiable?” I am not sure where that is written in the Catechism, but feel free to point it out.

You mean you believe that “Real Presence” is Negotiable? Show me in the Catechism where it is Non-Negotiable.

And equally show me in the Catechism where it says “Abortion” is Non-Negotiable.

I don’t know about you, but as a Catholic, I know that everything in the Catechism that is taught is Non-Negotiable.

 

[JoshuaIsLord]

I hate to break it to you, but the US will one day have a woman, a muslim and a homosexual President. And it won’t matter one bit.

And we all can take that to the bank and draw some interest on it.