Border wall for illegal inmigration

[JoshuaIsLord]

But probably not all at once, if that happened, Trump supporters would spontaneously combust

Or their heads would explode like in the first scene in the movie “Scanners”…

 

[Tis_Bearself]

These illegals the hardest working and most dedicated I’ve ever seen. I’d take 1 illegal over 2 natives any day if I was an employer.

If they are so wonderful, has this employer looked into helping any of them become legal?
Is he also paying them the same amount he would pay a legal worker, and providing them with the same benefits?

 

[JoshuaIsLord]

The only way to stop that is to put some sort of tracking device on those who enter as tourists, students, family on visits and then when their visa expires the Federal Agents could hunt them down and evict them.

And would you like to have a tracking device attached to your person if you traveled to some place like the Vatican or the Holy Land?

 

[TheLittleLady]

Of course not. I was attempting to point out the absurdity of such.

 

[HarryStotle]

Read the Catechism of the Catholic Church. You will be amazed at all the Beliefs that are Political Issues. It is not just those 3. All of what we believe as Catholics are Non-Negotiable. For any Catholic to say that any of our beliefs are Negotiable then they really are not Catholic. They are Cafeteria Protestants.

What do you make of these two:

1894 In accordance with the principle of subsidiarity, neither the state nor the larger society should substitute itself for the initiative and responsibility of individuals and intermediary bodies.

1895 Society ought to promote the exercise of virtue, not obstruct it. It should be animated by a just hierarchy of values.

Sounds to me like each individual is responsible for developing virtue and both society and the individual ought to be “animated by a just hierarchy of values.”

Doesn’t that imply that not all issues are “non-negotiable” but that our individual responsibility, exercise of virtue and a well-formed conscience should help us make decisions with regard to issues based upon a “just hierarchy of values.”

The word “hierarchy” implies an order and that some values take precedence over others. It also implies that part of our responsibility as citizens in a society is to exercise good judgement based upon that hierarchy of values. How is it possible to exercise good judgement if we believe all values are “non-negotiable” and of equal consideration? That would seem to lead us to an impasse and paralyze any judgement because we would be unable to distinguish between higher and lower values in terms of their significance relative to any particular political judgement or situation.

Or what do you make of this one…

1940 Solidarity is manifested in the first place by the distribution of goods and remuneration for work. It also presupposes the effort for a more just social order where tensions are better able to be reduced and conflicts more readily settled by negotiation.

So if, according to the Catechism itself, tensions in the social order are to be “settled by negotiation,” how does insisting that everything in the Catechism and all Church teaching is “non-negotiable” help to settle tensions between Catholics and the wider society? Seems just a tad problematic, no?

 

[MonteRCMS]

Their wall was not intended to keep illegals out. It was intended to keep Terrorists out…

It does both.

Remember the old television commercial for Reeeedddy Whip?

It is both … a dessert topping AND a driveway coating!!!

Yay!!!

So, the Israeli wall keep out BOTH illegal aliens AND terrorists!!!

 

[MonteRCMS]

Jamie51h
I hate to break it to you, but the US will one day have a woman, a muslim and a homosexual President. And it won’t matter one bit.

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Someone said something like that and they DIED.

 

[HarryStotle]

TheLittleLady:

The only way to stop that is to put some sort of tracking device on those who enter as tourists, students, family on visits and then when their visa expires the Federal Agents could hunt them down and evict them.

And would you like to have a tracking device attached to your person if you traveled to some place like the Vatican or the Holy Land?

And why don’t you ask this of jihadi terrorists, members of drug cartels, drug dealers, human traffickers, or members of MS-13? I am sure you will get the same answer as you would from little ladies or anyone else. So how does that help resolve the issue?

 

[Jamie5]

What are you talking about?

 

[pnewton]

And would you like to have a tracking device attached to your person if you traveled to some place like the Vatican or the Holy Land?

I am okay with the whole idea of tracking, as long as, in accordance with the Golden Rule, those that want it are first in line.

 

[Theo520]

You know something’s wrong in the world when more Catholics seem to be supporting Trump’s wall than Pope Francis’s bridge.

what is this bridge that you speak of, that we don’t support?

I think we are generous to the Mexican Govt and people.
We provide aid in time of any crisis.
We welcome their legal visa students in our Universities.
We spend significant $ on tourism in their country.

Is the bridge only to be illegal immigration?

 

[Jamie5]

it’s the bridges that Pope Francis speaks of, the ones we need more of, as opposed to walls, which we need less of. Thank you.

 

[AlNg]

I didn’t say that the Vatican was surrounded by walls. I said that there were some areas where the Vatican had walls. Your pictures show that this is true.
Also, no one is proposing that the whole of the USA be surrounded by walls.

 

[Theo520]

it’s the bridges that Pope Francis speaks of, the ones we need more of, as opposed to walls, which we need less of. Thank you.

But you don’t seem able to articulate what those missing bridges are,
that’s concerning.

 

[Cthompson]

it’s the bridges that Pope Francis speaks of, the ones we need more of, as opposed to walls, which we need less of. Thank you.

But you don’t seem able to articulate what those missing bridges are,

that’s concerning.

The United States has built the most bridges of any civilization. We are the most welcoming, hosptitable, and charitable country. We also recognize the need for national sovereignty and defense.

These “bridges” of Pope Francis…are they just a plea for a borderless world? Perhaps we can all hold hands and form one giant border and sing “All Are Welcome”?

 

[josh987654321]

You know something’s wrong in the world when more Catholics seem to be supporting Trump’s wall than Pope Francis’s bridge.

The Pope is against the Wall. That should be enough for all Catholics. The Pope fired a warning shot across the bow of all Catholics in the United States when spoke out against the Wall prior to the November Election. Yet it was ignored by the Majority of Catholics. They still voted for Trump.

Oh please… save it for someone who hasn’t read your heretical posts.

I’ll take a wall over the mass murder of innocent unborn children and the trampling under foot of the infallible teachings of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church laid down by Christ Himself any day.

Don’t think I’ve forgotten about the revolution against the Catholic Church exposed by WikiLeaks.

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/new...nisations-to-create-revolution-in-the-church/

 

[josh987654321]

I don’t know about you, but as a Catholic, I know that everything in the Catechism that is taught is Non-Negotiable.

That would be good, so then what’s up with your posts? Do you know what it says in regards to marriage and the family? in regards to abortion? euthanasia?

II. THE FAMILY AND SOCIETY
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a4.htm

I. RESPECT FOR HUMAN LIFE
Abortion & Euthanasia
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a5.htm

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[josh987654321]

I hate to break it to you, but the US will one day have a woman, a muslim and a homosexual President. And it won’t matter one bit.

A woman sure. (Certainly not Clinton though, thank God she didn’t win)

A Muslim? only those ignorant of some of the many very troubling teachings of Islam would call for that.

A Homosexual? If you mean it in the sense of simply ‘same sex attracted’ sure, but I’m sure you mean the whole 9 yards, in that case, I hope not. (Surprised you didn’t chuck ‘transgender’ in there while you were at it)

And yet your here trying to appeal to the Holy Father? lol what a joke when your all for the destruction of marriage and the family.

 

[garegin_asatrya]

The wall is not “walling” yourself off from the world like the Iron Curtain. So liberal Christians can save it. It’s supposed to provide border security over areas of wilderness. These areas are not meant to be humanly crossed. So the analogy is complete BS.
The areas were it is humanly passable, there is no wall, only border security. The issue is not over “closing yourself in”. These areas are not meant to be passable, anyway. They are only used by people who are SNEAKING IN. As to the refugee ban, the “walling off” argument has some merit. The issue is this however. Average people want to preserve their nation’s character. How is bringing in people who are from an Islamic culture and MAY want to have Sharia, helpful to the US or any Western nation. This is the same exact reason why countries did not want to let Jews in. Nobody wants a people that HATE your culture (and harbor resentment towards Christianity) into the population.

 

[josh987654321]

Please don’t quote CNN, they are fake news.

The Vatican does have walls, they are only partly up today for historical reasons I assume, nevertheless, the Vatican was protected by walls in times past and they were constructed with the approval of previous Popes to help protect themselves in certain times.

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh