Borderline personality disorder

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šŸ‘ :clapping: God love you and congratulations! If I could give you a hug through the wires I would! Curious, if you don’t mind me asking, did you recover using DBT? I am interested to know how DBT is experienced by people who are Catholic. I use & teach DBT where I work (day treatment program) and find it very effective, and I have been able to reconcile it well with my Catholic beliefs.

God Bless You!
Aimee

Actually I was only in therapy for about 6 months. I couldn’t afford a actual psychologist so I went to a student doing her understudy. After 6 months her rotation was over and I wasn’t able to bring myself to start up with a new person (abandonment issues are HUGE for borderlines and I’m adopted so it’s kind of x2 for me). It took an ultimatum from my wife for me to stop cutting and I have learned that I have to watch my thoughts when it comes to relationships and self-image. Thankfully the self destructive part isn’t too active (I drive too fast but that’s about it). A lot of it is just knowing I have these tendencies and teaching myself to take a step back and ask why my mind perceives things a certain way. I still have bad days when I REALLY want to cut myself but I know it’s only a temporary release. The trick is just getting past the few minutes when you need to move the pain from the inside to the outside.
 
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Mamamull:
I have a five year old son with some attachment disorder problems –
I pray a lot to St. Michael the Archangel for him and his gurdian angel. I also have taught the child the Rosary – mostly while pinning him to the floor during his violent and destructive tantrums.

I feel over-whelmed at times and wonder why I committed to parenting this child.
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Mamamull,
Your son reminds me of my own adopted eleven-year old. I’ve had many a wild hour trying to control his temper, and it’s not easy because I have a temper of my own!
He had to have a counselor his first ten years, but has matured a lot and never has those tantrums any more. While I’m far from a perfect mom, I think we’ve been able to give him a sense of security which has helped him a lot.
You have commited to parenting your child because you are his only hope – praise God for your patience and love! I used the book *Holding Time * at first, it’s pretty controversial but seemed to help.
God bless you.
 
God must be infusing you with grace. Thanks for sharing that, I know it’s very personal for me to have asked. You have a great set of skills to deal with the emotional turmoil that comes and goes in waves, and it sounds like a supportive wife - yes, sometimes support does come in the form of ultimatums! Praise God for your recovery and I’ll pray for you to continue receiving this grace! God Bless, Aimee

ps The part I bolded in your quote - that’s basically the core of DBT ā€œDistress Tolerance.ā€
borderlinepersonality.ca/dbt.htm
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Shlemele:
Actually I was only in therapy for about 6 months. I couldn’t afford a actual psychologist so I went to a student doing her understudy. After 6 months her rotation was over and I wasn’t able to bring myself to start up with a new person (abandonment issues are HUGE for borderlines and I’m adopted so it’s kind of x2 for me). It took an ultimatum from my wife for me to stop cutting and I have learned that I have to watch my thoughts when it comes to relationships and self-image. Thankfully the self destructive part isn’t too active (I drive too fast but that’s about it). A lot of it is just knowing I have these tendencies and teaching myself to take a step back and ask why my mind perceives things a certain way. I still have bad days when I REALLY want to cut myself but I know it’s only a temporary release. The trick is just getting past the few minutes when you need to move the pain from the inside to the outside.
 
Aimee O'Connell:
I have to put my professional hat on for a moment: As much of an ā€œA-HA!ā€ as it is to finally see a name for something that a person may have experienced with some impossibly difficult people in his or her life, it may be premature to jump to a diagnosis… and, keep in mind, showing someone a list of symptoms of a mental illness and saying that you think it is him/her/their relative may not be taken very well. Just be prepared for that. And, as we can easily fall victim to ā€œmedical student syndrome,ā€ keep in mind that not everything is a diagnosis. For example, a person can lose it and ream out a family member after years of silence… that’s not diagnosable, unless it happens every other day and is an equal-opportunity hissy fit.

I trust anyone seeing this who says ā€œThat’s so-and-so!ā€ already knows what I just said. Please forgive my stating the obvious šŸ™‚ Aimee
Thanks for your reply…while I agree the I can’t ā€œdiagnoseā€ my MIL just from a link, symptoms, etc…To be honest, there is absoultely nothing that I can do about it. Just knowing that she may have this and that I can educate myself about it…may make me more able to deal with her, just for my own sanity.

When I have recently been blessing my home with Holy Water and my children and myself before she comes over to visit…there’s a problem…and as much as I would love to help her, find her help…I can’t help her myself, nor will my husband even if he thinks that she needs help. I’ve already went on anti-depressents myself in dealing with her and combo of other things in my life…I’m not going to go that route again. I just want to educate myself on BPD and maybe I can understand her better.

thanks again Aimee…does my post make any sense to you?
 
Hello and God bless everyone posting in this thread.

My daughter has BPD. No, she’s not been diagnosed by a professional (at least not that I know of now-she’s a married adult) but I would swear my life on it. Since I have mental illness myself- Major Depressive Disorder, Panic Disorder and Generalized Anxiety Disorder, I have talked to several doctors about her. She has not spoken to me for almost two years. She’s disowned me. I tried to tell her husband that I knew what was wrong, but he insisted that I was the one with the problem. It’s been simply awful. I tried to tell some family members about it, but of course, with my own problems, I have no credibility at all. My family has not witnessed the rages and her abuse of me, except my younger child, (who is not a victim of her abuse) who also accepts the wild mood swings, temper and other BPD behavior as: ā€œThat’s just how she isā€. So much time has passed and there is nothing I can do about it. I am not invited to family functions anymore because I said I was frightened of her. And I am. The last encounter I had with her I ended up in jail. In the meanwhile, she’s gone undiagnosed and I’ve lost my daughter. We’re never going to have a relationship unless she gets help, and how can a person get help when they don’t know anything is wrong? This is a cross I’ve had to bear for many years now and my Rosary has become my only comfort…

Thanks for letting me vent, everyone. I was just blown away to find this thread on this site. I was here for a different topic and stumbled upon you accidently. I’ll keep all of you in my prayers.

Tasha
 
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Tasha:
We’re never going to have a relationship unless she gets help, and how can a person get help when they don’t know anything is wrong?
This is the same question that I have too!

It seems like sometimes the only option is to abandon that person, but isn’t that part of their problems to begin with…fear of abandonment…paranoid that everyone is out to get them?

aimee…where are you?..I too would like to know.

It’s amazing how people in ā€œthatā€ person’s life feels the only answer to the problem is to leave it alone. I KNOW my MIL needs some help! I can’t do it, nor do I want to…I can’t tell her even that I think she needs help…what is a person to do if they feel someone in their life need professional help…whether it’s BPD or something just say, like general depression, etc.

Personally, I’ve asked my SIL (her daughter) to make a phone call to my MIL’s doctor and let her know some of the things she does…maybe her doctor and strike up a conversation with my MIL next time she is in, but my SIL won’t do it…is this a good idea?
 
Ironic, isn’t it? BPDs will do anything to avoid abandonment (real or imagined) but nothing you do seems to help and you want to abandon them for your own safety, health and well-being.

I know my daughter abandoned ME, before I could abandon HER. But of course, that’s the last thing I would ever want to do to her. I’ve taken so much abuse over the years because I love her so much. You’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t.

Another irony is that if I tell her I think she has BPD she will flip out even worse. On me, possibly on herself, on her husband. It’s a real dead-end.

The only book I have on the subject is, Stop Walking on Eggshells (Taking Your Life Back When Someone You Care About Has Borderline Personality Disorder). Whew-what a mouthful! I bought one book for me and one book for my son-in-law two Christmases ago. His is still wrapped as I never had the courage to send it to him. He’d reject it-he’s too much in denial.
It was almost too agonizing for me to read. I had to read a few pages at a time. And I’m still at a loss as how to handle the problem.

Wait. Pray. Wait some more. Pray some more. I doubt anyone out of the clear blue is going to say to her, ā€œHey, I think you may have BPDā€. Very few people are aware of BPD. And not everyone sees her BPD behavior. She’s a beautiful, intelligent, successful woman. Most of her acquaintences/friends/family would be truly SHOCKED to see the vicious way she treats me.

I’ve never seen the website that Aimee provided. Thank you, Aimee. It’s excellent.
 
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Tasha:
Most of her acquaintences/friends/family would be truly SHOCKED to see the vicious way she treats me.
You just said something very interesting. I would be curious to know if people with BPD ā€œact outā€ only to a select few people in their life? For instance, my MIL…it would be her children and their sponses only…her own sisters and friends have no idea how she treats all of us. So, I am curious about that.
 
Keep in mind that there are similar but separately diagnosable disorders as well as common patterns of engagement that are similar to BPD. Patients with a bipolar diagnosis can share many symptoms with BPD. So could a cronic depressive with a passive-aggressive coping mechanism. From personal experince, depressive PAs restrict who they lash out against, and I recall similar behavior in what I’ve read about BPD. Though the diagnosis helps in structuring treatment and anticipating reaction styles, alleviating the impact of particular symptoms can be handled in the same way by family and friends who are targeted by reading through the support advise for the various diagnosies for similar diseases matching the apparent symptoms.
 
Aimee - I’m thrilled to find another Catholic in the mental health field! I’d love to pick your brain sometime on your experiences and for support. Do you work exclusively with people diagnosed with BPD? I work primarily with kids, 3 -18 and their families. Look forward to talking with you!
 
Sorry it took so long to get back, I have had some MAJOR computer issues of late. Had to do a wips and I’m on a frankenstein system ATM (parts of several old computers together and IT’S ALIVE!!!) I have to appologize though my spell checker is out so spelling is going to be horrible.

Getting back to the BPD thing, I think the biggest difference between BPD and Bi-Polar is that BPD seem to operate differently. The Bi-polars I have known tend to have patterns in relationships defined by the phase they are in a t the time while BPD’s phases are dictated by the relationships and what part of the smother/seperation process they are in.

There are also themes that present themselves in BPD that arn’t as prolific as they are in Bi-Polar. Feelings of emptiness and solitude can be overwhelming and come in waves, sometimes taking you from your highest high to your lowest low and back again several times a day. Bi-Polars thend to have longer cycles in their moods from what I have seen. I have found that I can be having a great day and one off-handed remark from my wife can send me to an abyss for hours. The tough part is that this can cycle over and over again a few times every day. Since self-immage plays into the equation it’s not that we are having a rough time in my head she is trying to make me feel bad and push away from me so I start to push away and clam up. It’s not as bad as it used to be but I still have a rough time talking to her when we are arguing.

I think the hardest part though is still the cutting. SO may people mis-understand this behavior. We arn’t trying to kill ourselves or really even hurt ourselves (it’s more aof a bi-product). When you feel so empty inside that you’d rather feel ANYTHING other than what you feel at that moment pain is a real release. I find that I bite my cheek and lip a lot now (I know baby steps). The thing is that sometimes I feel emptyness kind of like some feel anxiety, my chest tightens and I almost feel like my chest is gong to cave in on itself. To me it’s a very real phusical sensation and pretty unpleasant. Cutting is much easier for me to deal with (I stuck with high on the arm and lower shoulders) and as I find out it releases endorphins (natural pain-killers) so there is a biological incentive to re-direct pain.

Well I better wrap it up, I hope that maybe some of this will help those dealing with someone who is BPD understand better how they view the world.
 
Hi everyone,

I’ve been out of town, and I have an unusually busy month facing me… I will not be near the computer much until August or September. But I would love to connect with those out there both in the mental health field and who have BPD or suspected BPD in their families. I have all of the above! I’m in Western New York, I work as a part-time therapist serving ā€œSPMI,ā€ that is, serious & persistent mental illness, which includes BPD, schizophrenia, schizoaffective, bipolar and depression. I am very familiar with DBT therapy and endorse it as a proven way to recover from BPD. I have also worked as a school psychologist, mostly gr. K-6 but some gr. 7-12 as well, doing educational assessment, advocacy for learning disabilities, social skills coaching, behavior consultation and counseling. I have multiple BPD in my family, all undiagnosed, and I have survived comparatively unscathed, although the generations up from mine are still quite shaken and scarred. I have great compassion for BPD sufferers as well as the people they have wounded, which in my family are many.

I invite anyone who would like to connect to drop me an email at winschools@juno.com – I will write back, I promise! I just have to get through this busy month.

More to come. God bless us all! Aimee
 
Ironic, isn’t it? BPDs will do anything to avoid abandonment (real or imagined) but nothing you do seems to help and you want to abandon them for your own safety, health and well-being.

I know my daughter abandoned ME, before I could abandon HER. But of course, that’s the last thing I would ever want to do to her. I’ve taken so much abuse over the years because I love her so much. You’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t.

Another irony is that if I tell her I think she has BPD she will flip out even worse. On me, possibly on herself, on her husband. It’s a real dead-end.

The only book I have on the subject is, Stop Walking on Eggshells (Taking Your Life Back When Someone You Care About Has Borderline Personality Disorder). Whew-what a mouthful! I bought one book for me and one book for my son-in-law two Christmases ago. His is still wrapped as I never had the courage to send it to him. He’d reject it-he’s too much in denial.
It was almost too agonizing for me to read. I had to read a few pages at a time. And I’m still at a loss as how to handle the problem.

Wait. Pray. Wait some more. Pray some more. I doubt anyone out of the clear blue is going to say to her, ā€œHey, I think you may have BPDā€. Very few people are aware of BPD. And not everyone sees her BPD behavior. She’s a beautiful, intelligent, successful woman. Most of her acquaintences/friends/family would be truly SHOCKED to see the vicious way she treats me.

I’ve never seen the website that Aimee provided. Thank you, Aimee. It’s excellent.
I am BPD, and have been receiving treatment (one on one therapy, DBT group) for a year now, so I hoped I could illuminate the situation for you. Unfortunately what I have to say isn’t very nice, but entirely linked to personal experience and even some Catholic thought on BPD. Like my mother, you sound like a wonderful person. However, like my mother, you *may *have intimately failed your daughter, regardless of wishing the best. If you would read that link you will see what I’m talking about.

In my case, I did hate and ignore my mother for years. She desperately tried to be in contact with me, but I avoided her. She had no idea what kind of intricate pain I was still experiencing from those few, seemingly insignificant, times in my childhood, where she utterly, totally abandoned me to misery. The excruciating pain I felt at having my own mother unaware and uncaring of my pain during those times will haunt me for the rest of my life, but I have since forgiven her, and we now have the relationship we once had when I was still an innocent. It’s like we’re finally best friends again. Not, unfortunately, without my own share of outbursts in her direction along the way, which are nothing but embarrassing in hindsight.

So, the simple truth is:

If your daughter really does have BPD, it’s actually your fault, as evidenced by it being you she hates and avoids like the plague. To heal her you need to find out what you did and apologize, or wait for her to discover this process herself, which doesn’t sound like it’s going to happen. Unfortunately many, if not most, sufferers of BPD will never admit it and go on to cause even more hurt than they received. If you approach her with repentance, then bring up BPD, perhaps even this post, she may be more willing to admit the pain inside her. I know you feel like she is just blaming you for her anger, but, if this BPD, having you finally understand and admit to what you did wrong could be the magic words she’s be crying for at night, to start the healing process at all. Ignoring the reality she endured only prolongs the pain.

Please understand, I know my mother is a great, compassionate person. She is a healer unto all her friends, and a huge emotional asset in my adult life. So it’s hard to understand how it happens, on the surface, but due to her own problems, mistakes, and pressures from an unhelpful spouse, she arrived at a place in her life where she unwittingly damaged her own child. It happens. If she really is BPD, if this is the case, know that she desperately wants to forgive you, and she wants to know what it feels like to trust you, and love you, and be loved by you. She will always crave this, because she is human.
 
My sister has this condition. It is awful what her husband goes through, as he is the one on whom my sister vents her spleen. They’ve been married ten agonizing years, and he is at the end of his rope and wants out. My sister seems oblivious to the pain and suffering she has caused our whole family by her outbursts, temper tantrums, etc. She is forty and acts like she is 13 or 14. Pray for all of us but especially my BIL.:confused:
 
I strongly suspect that my mom had BPD. For the last six months I could no longer speak with her because she turned her abusive,needy behavior against my kids. As long as she aimed her anger at me, I could deal with her behavior.

My mother needed people badly, yet she pushed everyone away. This can be difficult to understand. My mother didn’t want a ā€˜normal’ closeness to those she loved. She needed to be constantly assured that she was the greatest, most wonderful, beautiful person alive. When ever I tried to make friends, she would actively undermine these friendships, going as far as to outright lie. It was a smothering childhood. The worst part was that so many people saw my mother as charming, sweet and funny. You had to have long term contact with her to experience her temper and irrational behavior.

When ever my brother and sister or I tried to grow away from her she began an emotionally overwhelming process of tearing us down. If we did good in school we were actually stupid or dumb. If we did something nice and got a compliment, we kids were really just fooling everyone. I think that she thought that if we felt good about ourself we would leave her.

My siblings stopped talking to her early and I was able to move away from her, although I kept contact with her on the phone.

Was she diagnosed? I have no idea. She often went to psychologists but I was never told anything about what her actual problem was.

My feelings for my mom are still a mixture of pity and love. I loved her very much but I wish that I had broke away from her sooner. 😦
 
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If your daughter really does have BPD, it’s actually your fault, as evidenced by it being you she hates and avoids like the plague. To heal her you need to find out what you did and apologize,.
I can only speak about my own experiences with my mom. Others might be different. Perhaps the fact that you have gotten therapy has helped you understand what an apology is. Maybe an undiagnosed BPD would react differently to an apology.

Over the years I discovered that apologizing to my mom was the worst thing I could do. For myself, if I apologized to keep the peace, I was told that I was being insincere and was a cold person. If I apologized because I really was serious and thought that was the right thing to do, I was still told that I was insincere and was a cold person. Years later my mom would throw up the apology as proof that I was a bad daughter and awful person. After all, I had admitted it with the apology.🤷

For those who suffer from this disorder, how has being diagnosed helped you to relate to others?
 
I’m borderline and I wonder a lot of the time what life would be like without it. Truthfully, though, the church has given me a great sense of peace.
 
I think my husband has that, but he won’t go to therapy anymore to see for sure
 
My sister allegedly has it. She has mostly symptoms of Munchausen syndrome. We did an intervention, the outcome of which was that she had to go see a psychiatrist and have another sister copied on her records. Those records indicated BPD and 3 other issues. But now those records are in dispute in that she may have falsified them.

Either way, she has issues.
 
Funny this old thread has been resurrected! very timely.
My husband has BPD, undiagnosed of course, as he would never get the help needed to diagnose it.
It is a nightmare to live with someone like this. There expectations change constantly. You can never keep up or make them happy. Little things will set them off and they will be angry for weeks and then when they decide to be nice again, expect you to be too, regardless of the venom they have directed at you for weeks!
The worst part is, everything THEY do to you, they accuse you of. So you wind up wondering if it is all you.
It is an emotional roller coaster and if you don’t get off you will go mad.
I have gotten off and I’m still in the middle of the craziness as we have a son.
It is so tireing.
 
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